Popular Post crumbs 14,272 Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 Discuss! Personally, I'm hopeful Williams will write a reflective "farewell to adventure" type theme to wrap up the series (assuming it's one of the themes Mangold explores in the film, considering it's Indy's last adventure). Brando, Bellosh and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 I hope he writes a beautiful theme for the death of Indy. He could call it Death in Venice or something. crumbs and GerateWohl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,384 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 That it's more interesting than INDY IV, I suppose. Less bompetibop whimsical action cues. A couple of strong, new themes, perhaps. Longlined themes, not just motivic. No broad and predictable Americana. But as I've been fairly disappointed by most JW scores since 2005 (except maybe WAR HORSE and THE POST), my expectations are really, really low. So "anything goes"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pawel P. 738 Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Thor said: But as I've been fairly disappointed by most JW scores since 2005 (except maybe WAR HORSE and THE POST), my expectations are really, really low. So "anything goes"! So sorry to hear that. Williams' music after 2005 is absolutely great. I'll be happy if he composes something on the level of the sequel trilogy. And he'll be less attached to the old thematic material, because it's a new adventure. Chewy, crlbrg, Taikomochi and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 That it continues Williams's "last Romantic" operatic style from TROS, mutatis mutandis. Imagine a motorcycle / train night chase scored in this style: I hope the Berliner Philharmoniker will inspire him in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 That it actually happens! Otherwise, a beautiful farewell score like the one in TROS will be more than welcomed. (I also secretly hope to hear a bit of Map Room: Dawn) Tom, crumbs and Brando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ConorPower 147 Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 Assuming that the Phoebe Waller-Bridge characters is a sidekick, I'd love some heroic theme for her. His music for Rey and Rose recently has stepped beyond the female "love theme" cliché. Also, something balletic and melodic à la "basket game" or "mine cart chase" for an action set piece! Falstaft, Brando, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GlastoEls 554 Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 CD full score! WampaRat, Falstaft, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,610 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, ConorPower said: Assuming that the Phoebe Waller-Bridge characters is a sidekick, I'd love some heroic theme for her. His music for Rey and Rose recently has stepped beyond the female "love theme" cliché. This reads as a criticism of Williams. If the female's role is principally a love interest, then he appropriately scores her has such; otherwise not. He has plenty of female non-love themes throughout his oeuvre, but, again, they are molded according to how the director portrays the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,272 Posted June 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 hours ago, ConorPower said: Assuming that the Phoebe Waller-Bridge characters is a sidekick, I'd love some heroic theme for her. His music for Rey and Rose recently has stepped beyond the female "love theme" cliché. Yeah I have no idea what her role will be (academic sidekick seems the logical route) but I'm excited at the possibility Williams writing a theme for her. Every sidekick gets a theme in his Indy scores (Marion, Shorty, Henry, Mutt) and they're all great! Pair that with a theme for the villains and something for the McGuffin(s) and we're cooking! dtw42, Brando and blondheim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eitam 362 Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 Number 1 wish: something as good as Rise of Skywalker (at least one good new theme, great new statements of old themes, a few good action cues, some old fashioned strings à la Join Me, something elegiac à la Farewell...) Number 2 wish: another oscar. It's about time. Nearly 30 years after Schindler's List. Andy, Falstaft, Cerebral Cortex and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 I'm with you, Crumbs. Some theme that plays into a more grandiose reflection on a farewell to adventure, one's place in history, or perhaps the passage of time in general would be most welcome. A couple days ago I came across this very soft piano rendition of the Raiders March: At first I kinda cracked up just because of how overtly subdued it was, but, honestly, I really kinda like it. If we had to close the movie on a soft piano rendition of the theme, in contrast to how all the other films have ended, perhaps on a shot of Indy in a museum of things he has uncovered over the years that slowly fades to modern day with huge crowds of people looking at those same artifacts, I wouldn't be disappointed. What I'm ultimately speaking to is an overall hope that ideally I don't want Williams to feel boxed into having to do another big and brassy score for the film, at least not all the time. I think the ST scores strike a really good balance of providing moments of large orchestral splendor alongside quieter, more "thoughful" moments, something I found to be lacking in Indy 4 and that I would love for Williams to bring to this fifth installment. crumbs, Fabulin and eitam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 An end credits suite at the same level as KOTCS crumbs and Muad'Dib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,317 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 I really hope the Indy V score mimics The Last Crusade in terms of globe trotting and emotion. I also want statements of the Raiders March similar to 'Indy's Home' from Raiders and the lovely statement of the B theme in 'Sinister Visitors' from Crusade. Assuming the story calls for it, but with Indy's age, I'm not sure why it wouldn't. The softer moments do more for me and the character than the big moments at times. Although I'd love for full on brilliant Indy fanfares when the time is right. KOTCS lacked those sentimental moments that The Raiders March can provide. Some new trek music would be great. I'm leaving out the obvious (sidekicks, villains and artifact themes) because I think those will be good. WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,839 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 I hope for less whimsy, hopefully nothing that sounds like a parody or pastiche of past Indy scores, and some compelling new themes. Tintin was an Indy score in a way. GerateWohl and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Something as great as last Crusade. I also second a wish for at LEAST a 2CD release for Williams (and Harrison’s) final go. ….But that’s very wishful thinking. Bellosh and dtw42 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,259 Posted June 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, WampaRat said: Something as great as last Crusade. I also second a wish for at LEAST a 2CD release for Williams (and Harrison’s) final go. As much as I'd like that, I don't think it will happen. Not even the Star Wars Sequels had 2CD releases. I think the best we can hope is for Mangold to fall in love with Williams' music as much as Rian Johnson did and then release an isolated score version of the movie, out of which bootlegs can be created. Bellosh, Brando and WampaRat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 hours ago, artguy360 said: Tintin was an Indy score in a way. Naturally, because the film was an Indy film. Brando and Miguel Andrade 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,930 Posted June 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2021 I hope he gets to finish writing it in good health. Karol eitam, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, crumbs and 11 others 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 I hope he doesn't get replaced by Lorne Balfe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 What just occured to me is that we are going to see Indiana Jones operate in times when Johnny Williams was already a prolific composer. All bets are off what (if anything) could Williams pull from the "sound of the era". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Perhaps Indy will have a brief encounter with JW. Brando and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,272 Posted June 27, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2021 The film's McGuffin will be the master tapes for Jane Eyre! GlastoEls, dtw42, Falstaft and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 He'll discover once and for all that they're lost to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fommes 153 Posted June 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2021 54 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Perhaps Indy will have a brief encounter with JW. The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles! Indy is doing some consultancy for a film studio where he happens to bump into Williams and a young Spielberg... Jurassic Shark, Falstaft and Brando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 And George Lucas dies in a freak accident somehow involving Jar-Jar Binks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I hope he doesn't get replaced by Lorne Balfe. Or William Ross Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 That would be so much better! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,019 Posted June 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2021 I'd like this one to ditch the rather dull underscore that causes KOTCS to drag. Those sorts of scenes are scored in more interesting ways in the first three films. Along with that, naturally I'm hoping for fun, fresh themes for the MacGuffin, villains, and new characters. Ultimately, I'd really just like to come away from the film and score with the feeling that these were crucial additions/conclusions to the series. dtw42, Brando, Edmilson and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 654 Posted June 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2021 That the film show evidence of having been directed somebody who cared that John Williams scored it. SteveMc, dtw42 and WampaRat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 That Willie's Theme is reprised for her cameo. danbeck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,097 Posted June 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2021 That Williams delivers a product he is pleased with, both on its own legs and the way its treated in the film. BrotherSound, blondheim, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, Falstaft said: and the way its treated in the film. Those days are over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,610 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Those days are over... For the most part, yes. However, I had no complaints about The Last Jedi. Okay, well I had all sort of complaints, but not about the way the score was treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post toothless 961 Posted June 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2021 Can’t wait to hear the Scherzo for Broken Shoulder and Orchestra Jurassic Shark, Cerebral Cortex, dtw42 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 More like a minuet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 887 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 I just listened to The Miracle of the Ark for the first time in a long time. Something like that, that's what I want to hear. But more epic, more intense, more "wow", and more cowbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Bring in Lorne Balfe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,042 Posted July 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 4/13/2021 at 3:39 PM, Jay said: I hope this score has a really good, strong, memorable, long-lined theme for the film's macguffin. Raider's Ark Theme is amazing Temple of Doom's Shankara Stones Theme is great Last Crusade's Grail Theme is amazing Crystal Skull's Crystal Skull Theme is..... eh... it's fine Let's go back to the strong memorable themes that the biblical artifacts had! At the very least, I hope it's more like Tintin's Unicorn Theme, and less like the Call Of The Crystal... Cerebral Cortex, eitam and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Isolated score on bluray Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,000 Posted July 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2021 A rousing fist fight scored with heavy brass ostinatos. A cracking rendition of the full Raiders March to underscore Indy's perseverance a la when he boarded the Nazi Sub. A sweeping exotic adventure farewell theme that blends Slave Children's Crusade with Rise of Skywalker. Hristo, Falstaft, Cerebral Cortex and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 2:06 PM, eitam said: Number 1 wish: something as good as Rise of Skywalker (at least one good new theme, great new statements of old themes, a few good action cues, some old fashioned strings à la Join Me, something elegiac à la Farewell...) Number 2 wish: another oscar. It's about time. Nearly 30 years after Schindler's List. He deserves an Oscar for Indy. It's late so it's more of a lifetime achievement award at this point, much like Martin Scorsese winning for The Departed. I am sure the score will be deserving (The Departed certainly was) but it's not going to be Raiders and The Departed wasn't Raging Bull or Taxi Driver. On 7/1/2021 at 12:02 PM, Jay said: On 4/13/2021 at 3:39 PM, Jay said: I hope this score has a really good, strong, memorable, long-lined theme for the film's macguffin. Raider's Ark Theme is amazing Temple of Doom's Shankara Stones Theme is great Last Crusade's Grail Theme is amazing Crystal Skull's Crystal Skull Theme is..... eh... it's fine Let's go back to the strong memorable themes that the biblical artifacts had! At the very least, I hope it's more like Tintin's Unicorn Theme, and less like the Call Of The Crystal... Expand I love Call of the Crystal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,000 Posted July 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 4, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 8:35 AM, Thor said: That it's more interesting than INDY IV, I suppose. Less bompetibop whimsical action cues. It’s not that KOTCS had too much bompetibop... it was too frantic with its bam-di-diddle-dee. Indy 5 needs some dum..dum-de-de-de-dum... bum-bum-de-de-boom-tishh. And maybe a little more bah-da-dum...de-de-dum... ba-da-DA-dum! More seriously, why on earth did Williams never bring back the “Using the Whip to Get The Job Done” motif established when Indy and Satipo swing across the pit and when Indy Climbs The Statue? It’s so badass, promising the audience that they were about to watch a professional do something dangerous and to get ready for the adrenaline rush. Another example of the kind of dangerous business music is the Tanis Digs music heard in “Reunion in the Desert”. It’s the kind of military danger that Williams had been experimenting with in 1941, ESB, and a bit in Superman. I love that stuff, and would love the low strings to propel the drama of Indy 5. Bellosh, Jay and blondheim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,317 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, Hedji said: More seriously, why on earth did Williams never bring back the “Using the Whip to Get The Job Done” motif established when Indy and Satipo swing across the pit and when Indy Climbs The Statue? It’s so badass, promising the audience that they were about to watch a professional do something dangerous and to get ready for the adrenaline rush. You know it's funny, I never knew what to call that motif. Has it been named on this forum? But it basically is a motif for Indy that's never referenced again in the other films. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbeck 121 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 4:07 PM, JTWfan77 said: That Willie's Theme is reprised for her cameo. That would be great indeed. Even better if he created an entended concert piece of the treme. But what I do hope is that following the film all scores are finally released complete. 1977 and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 8:18 AM, May the Force be with You said: That it actually happens! Otherwise, a beautiful farewell score like the one in TROS will be more than welcomed. (I also secretly hope to hear a bit of Map Room: Dawn) Oh Id be disappointed if it was rise of Skywalker. That score was completely forgotten the moment I got out of my seat. I hope it soars like few film scores today. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 My one wish is that Williams will stick a full quote of that Whip-crackaway tune from The Deadwood Stage! Maybe Harrison could wink at the camera at that moment. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/4/2021 at 2:33 AM, blondheim said: It's late so it's more of a lifetime achievement award at this point, much like Martin Scorsese winning for The Departed. My sentiment too. Things I reckon are potentially likely (as an improvement over KotCS), without going into rosy tinted territory. - As already said by Jay, a memorable, concert-able theme for the Macguffin. I don't find the Skull theme (nor, unfortunately, Irina's theme) anywhere near interesting to warrant the suite it got - in fact they're possibly the dullest themes for a major franchise score I've ever heard from JW. - Memorable mystery/tension/drama underscore. We know Williams can give us a cracking action set piece (the full Jungle Chase is a modern classic), but KotCS severely lacked for me in the tension/dramatic scoring. Things that are certain: - An album that's all over the place, chronologically, a 103rd new re-recording of the Raiders March, and at least one or two baffling exclusions. No one should kid theirselves that we're magically going to get a longer, or more comprehensively assembled album. John Williams does not do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I liked KOTCS a lot more than I expected to after seeing the film. I know I walk a lonely road here but I really enjoy the Call of the Crystal. It legitimized the extra-terrestrial concept for me. However, I also hope for more of a Tintin-style MacGuffin theme this time. I have been wanting to hear a post-Tintin Indy ever since I first heard Tintin in 2011. I agree that we will get another classic Williams-style album, which is as it should be imo. I find Williams choices always help in understanding his own perception of his scores. Whether I agree with his exclusions/inclusions, I would be upset if we didn't have an OST in that style for Indy 5. Call me OCD or a completist but I'm just thinking about my shelf here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I wish for it to be a better score than 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now