Edmilson 7,384 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Let's post here the best swashbuckling music you can find! I'll start: WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 It's a music accompanying a sword/sabre fight. A good example is also "The Adventure Continues" from the Adventures of Tintin. https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=sword-fight&sort=moviemeter,asc&mode=detail&page=1&title_type=movie&ref_=kw_ref_typ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Definitely terrific stuff. I submit all of parts 1-3 of “The Ultimate War” from Hook. The best 20 minutes non-stop fun Williams has ever written imho. Im curious, what makes a score cue particularly “swashbuckling”? I seem to know it when I hear it. But I don’t know why. Is it the tempo/meter? I feel it’s different than just straight action music. Something like First Blood Part 2 for example is ballsy action music but I would never call it swashbuckling. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Yes, the MUMMY and STAR WARS clips aren't swashbuckling, strictly speaking. Cue Wikipedia: Quote "Swashbuckler" is a compound of "swash" (archaic: to swagger with a drawn sword) and "buckler" (a small shield gripped in the fist) dating from the 16th century.[5][6] So it's rather more specific than action setpieces in general. But any Korngold will do. THE SEA HAWK, ROBIN HOOD, CAPTAIN BLOOD.... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 7/3/2021 at 4:57 PM, Thor said: So it's rather more specific than action setpieces in general. But any Korngold will do. THE SEA HAWK, ROBIN HOOD, CAPTAIN BLOOD.... Yes. There have been other other swashbuckling films/scores and scenes/cues since, some of them great, but as far as the specific genre goes, nothing tops the original trifecta of Korngold "Schwanzbückler" you listed (though note that the definition must not be *quite* so narrow as the one you cited, as I don't think I recall Flynn sporting any kind of shield in any of these films). Steiner's Korngold-esque The Adventures of Don Juan is one of the strongest contenders. And perhaps Victor Young's Scaramouche, but we're rather leaving the genre there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Hello? Duel of the Fates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Swashbuckling? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Does this count? crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,383 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 The Adventures of Mutt Yeah...I said it. I love that cue. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 The Raiders March itself. Since I was a child it was obvious to me that the music mickeymouses Indy getting punched (I've seen it euphemistically referred to as "setbacks") and then himself landing three punches to someone's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted July 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 7/3/2021 at 4:57 PM, Thor said: Yes, the MUMMY and STAR WARS clips aren't swashbuckling, strictly speaking. Cue Wikipedia: So it's rather more specific than action setpieces in general. But any Korngold will do. THE SEA HAWK, ROBIN HOOD, CAPTAIN BLOOD.... Oh come on Thor, whether or not a sword was used in the scene it was written for, that Star Wars cue linked above (Chasm Crossfire) is absolutely a swashbuckling piece. It was written to emulate the Korngold sound and as you probably know, Williams even titled it “The Swashbucklers.” Edmilson, Andy and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 Exactly. As far as I know, swashbuckling doesn't necessarily needs to involve pirates and swordfights. But it does need to have a sense of old fashioned heroism and adventure. It's hard to define what exactly does swashbuckling means in the film music context, but I believe it can be applied to any score that are inspired by Korngold and attempts to bring back a certain feeling of heroics that can be considered outdated. The Star Wars cue I chose wasn't a random decision, as it was the most Korngold-esque Williams ever got, as he clearly wanted to link the movie with the old movies that inspired it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, Edmilson said: As far as I know, swashbuckling doesn't necessarily needs to involve pirates and swordfights. But it does need to have a sense of old fashioned heroism and adventure. It's hard to define what exactly does swashbuckling means in the film music context, but I believe it can be applied to any score that are inspired by Korngold and attempts to bring back a certain feeling of heroics that can be considered outdated. That's how I interpret the term when applied to music. The Williams example definitely qualifies, but little else does to my mind. Debney probably, or at least he comes close. But both were intentionally writing in that very specific style. Most of the other examples I've seen don't fit the term for me. Parts of Tintin do - a rare case of post-Golden-Age swashbuckling music that isn't an outright Korngold pastiche. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 We should make a poll: What is the best swashbucling track by Williams? () Chasm Crossfire () The Ultimate War () The Clash of the Cranes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I like what Alfred Newman does in this cue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I think swashbuckling should be a broad enough term to include any piece of music that summons images of sword fighting. WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, blondheim said: I think swashbuckling should be a broad enough term to include any piece of music that summons images of sword fighting. There are many styles of sword fighting that I wouldn't classify as swashbuckling. Wikipedia seems to agree: Quote A swashbuckler is a genre of European adventure literature that focuses on a heroic protagonist stock character who is skilled in swordplay, acrobatics, guile and chivalrous ideals. A 'swashbuckler' protagonist is heroic, daring, and idealistic: he rescues damsels in distress, protects the downtrodden, and uses duels to defend his honor or that of a lady or avenge a comrade. Swashbucklers would often engage in daring and romantic adventures with bravado or flamboyance. Swashbuckler heroes are gentleman adventurers who dress elegantly and flamboyantly in coats, waistcoats, tight breeches, large feathered hats, and high leather boots, and they are armed with the thin rapiers used by aristocrats. 38 minutes ago, SteveMc said: I like what Alfred Newman does in this cue: I've never warmed up to this particular score. But I suggest this one: I haven't seen The Robe, so I don't know if the scene it underscores qualifies, but Newman reused it from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, where as far as I recall it does underscore a sword fight. And in any case it *sounds* like swashbuckling music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Bellosh said: The Adventures of Mutt Yeah...I said it. I love that cue. Good pick! Williams’ working title was even “Swashbuckler”. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Marian Schedenig said: There are many styles of sword fighting that I wouldn't classify as swashbuckling. Wikipedia seems to agree: Words evolve over time to be broader than originally intended. Genres have expanded, overlapped. Plus, swashbuckling is not swashbuckler. Swashbuckling can invoke feelings of a swashbuckler without actually being one. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I think, after all these discussions and explanations I got the term right. Yesterday I listened to Korngold's Adventures of Robin Hood. Hardly ever heard such a cheerful and at the same time sophisticated score. And it contains a lot of these swashbuckler moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 7 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Good pick! Williams’ working title was even “Swashbuckler”. Which is weird, since to me it's idiomatically much closer to Copland's Hoe-Down and similar americana stuff. I first became aware of this particular style by this: which led me straight to this: Which in essence became my Newman initiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 No one in more recent decades did swashbuckling better than Horner: Karol WampaRat and Bayesian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeDocMatt 57 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 The score for Stardust, especially Flying Vessel from about 1:15 on. This is one of my favorite scores, with so many fantastic themes and leitmotifs. Great adventure and fun. (The movie is a blast too, fun and quite rewatchable, a little tongue in cheek fantasy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 Stardust is a very underrated score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 6 hours ago, crocodile said: No one in more recent decades did swashbuckling better than Horner: Karol But then the opening titles of How to Train Your Dragon should count in as well, or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: But then the opening titles of How to Train Your Dragon should count in as well, or? Not sure I understand? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 "Aeronautical" sometimes borders very close to swashbuckling as well. I don't think I'd could describe the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 9 hours ago, crocodile said: Not sure I understand? Karol Yes, sorry. That deserves more explanation. The music at the battle with the dragons at the beginning of the movie is quite similar in nature to these examples. At least I would say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: Yes, sorry. That deserves more explanation. The music at the battle with the dragons at the beginning of the movie is quite similar in nature to these examples. At least I would say so. You know what, I never really thought of Powell's music as swashbuckling. The only example off top of my head that feels like it would be this: Karol GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Yes that one, too. But also the whole mine mission part, I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Powell and swashbuckling? Gotta have this one. Great score. Underrated and often branded as “sloppy-seconds from HTTYD2” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 One Barrel Chase and sea attack number one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 On 7/4/2021 at 1:26 AM, A. A. Ron said: Oh come on Thor, whether or not a sword was used in the scene it was written for, that Star Wars cue linked above (Chasm Crossfire) is absolutely a swashbuckling piece. It was written to emulate the Korngold sound and as you probably know, Williams even titled it “The Swashbucklers.” Just relating the established definitions. I suppose anyone is free to interpret it any which way they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just found this, and find it super nice. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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