Popular Post chrissiddall 162 Posted July 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2021 "THE IRON GIANT" in Full Score is now available to pre-order. Expected to ship week commencing 19th July 2021. https://www.chrissiddallmusic.com/store/p58/Iron_Giant_In_Full_Score.html **PRE-ORDER** EXPECTED TO SHIP WEEK COMMENCING 19th JULY 2021 The Iron Giant is a much beloved movie that some would call a “cult classic”. Whilst it failed to find a big audience during its theatrical release run in 1999, it was loved by critics and those who saw it. The movie was nominated for, and won multiple awards including nine Annie Awards (the animation equivalent of the Oscars). With recommendations spreading by word-of-mouth The Iron Giant began to find its audience at last and in 2015 received a remastered Blu-Ray “Signature Edition” release. To this day it still has a 96% critics score and 90% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. The Iron Giant would be Michael Kamen’s first score for an animated movie. Director Brad Bird was aware of his previous work on scores such as Brazil and Die Hard, and was excited by the vision which Michael had for this project. Michael hired the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra to record the score, which was recorded in their concert hall: the Dvořák Hall at the Rudolfinum in Prague, Czech Republic. This helped to give this magical and emotional score a deep richness. Recording engineer Steve McLaughlin placed additional microphones at the back of the concert hall to capture the ambient sound during the recording sessions. That ambient sound was placed in the rear of the surround sound mix so the audience would really experience what it was like to hear the music in that awesome space. 228 pages, 9x12 inches. Paperbound, printed in the U.K. ISMN 9790900247209 pete, bruce marshall, Muad'Dib and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrissiddall 162 Posted July 5, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2021 For anyone interested in the cue list, please see below. Cue# Title OST Track 1M0R INTRO 1 1M1 THE ARRIVAL 1 1M2 HOGARTH ON BIKE 2 1M5/6 MONSTER BRAIN -- 1M7/8 IN THE FOREST 3 1M9 THE GIANT WAKES 4 1M10 HOGARTH IN THE CAR -- 1MX DUCK & COVER 23 (Bonus) 2M1 STING FOR FBI MAN -- 2M2 BACK IN THE WOODS 5 2M3 SHUT OFF SWITCH -- 2M4 “ROCK...TREE” -- 2M4A CAT AND MOUSE 6 2M5 TRAIN WRECK 7 2M6/7 MAGIC REBUILD 8 2M8 HAND UNDER FOOT -- 2M9 “CHEW YOUR FOOD” 9 2M9A AMERIKA 10 2M10 GREAT RIDE 10 3M1 “OH NO, HIDE!” 11 3M3R “DID YOU HEAR THAT?” 12 3M4R “HE CAN STAY” -- 3M6 EATING ART 13 3M8 SPACE CAR 14 4M1R “SOULS DON’T DIE” 15 4M2/3 IN THE BARN/CONTEST OF WILLS 16 4M4 ARMY ARRIVES 17 4M4A ANNIE & DEAN 18 4M5 “I’M SUPERMAN” -- 4M6 BIG GUY EYES 19 5M1R GIANT IS DISCOVERED 20 5M2R TRANSFORMER 21 5M2A KENT STOPPED 21 5M3R GOODBYE 22 5M6R MAGIC END 23 1M0 INTRO (EARLY VERSION) -- 1MX DUCK & COVER (EARLY VERSION) -- 3M3 DEAN & BONGO (UNUSED) -- 3M4 “HE CAN STAY” (EARLY VERSION) -- 4M1 “SOULS DON’T DIE” (EARLY VERSION) -- 4M4A ANNIE & DEAN (EARLY VERSION) -- 4M5 “I’M SUPERMAN” (EARLY VERSION) -- 5M1 GIANT IS DISCOVERED (EARLY VERSION) -- 5M2 TRANSFORMER (EARLY VERSION) -- 5M3 GOODBYE (EARLY VERSION) -- 5M4 BUY THE FARM (UNUSED) -- 5M5 HOGARTH LEAVES (UNUSED) -- 5M6 PUTTIN’ MYSELF TOGETHER (UNUSED) -- "--" means not on the OST You will notice some cues are named differently from the OST (and even from each other in new/old versions). These are taken directly from the cue sheet/manuscript. Also of note is that the OST track named "Hand Under Foot" is called "Chew Your Food" in the manuscript, whilst the manuscript cue with that title is not on the OST (this is the scene where Hogarth is saying Grace at the dinner table). I will be sharing a playlist on my YouTube channel which contains playback of the cues not present on the OST, which will remain active until an expanded OST is released. BrotherSound, Jay, Muad'Dib and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 17 hours ago, chrissiddall said: I will be sharing a playlist on my YouTube channel which contains playback of the cues not present on the OST, which will remain active until an expanded OST is released. Woah - like, clean versions? Or ripped from the movie w/ sound effects and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I interpreted it as mockups of unreleased cues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Oh right, that's cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiddall 162 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Corellian2019 said: I interpreted it as mockups of unreleased cues This. However there is scope for an expanded release. If and when one materialises, I'll "defer to that" and take my version down. The original OST does cover most of the flowing material. What's left is either very short, or has breaks for dialogue/action in an almost recitative style. Yavar Moradi and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Since the score was recorded in the Czech Republic, I would assume that Varese wouldn't have to pay re-use fees for an expansion Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 This is really cool. And yes, I would love an expanded release of this score. Unlike the majority of Michael Kamen soundtrack recordings, this has a beautiful recording and performance. Usually his scores are rather messy and rushed. This is the exact opposite. Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiddall 162 Posted July 20, 2021 Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 We're now in stock and the first batch of pre-orders have just gone out. Don't miss your chance to own and study this fabulous score! https://www.chrissiddallmusic.com/store/p58/Iron_Giant_In_Full_Score.html Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissiddall 162 Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 As I mentioned on various posts around the web and on my YouTube series "The Chain", I've put together a complete playlist for The Iron Giant which uses the OST and playback audio from my notation software for all the cues which are in the book but otherwise not available to listen to. Now you can read the score along with the music without having to contend with the dialogue and FX. Enjoy! (with songs) (score only) darkspine10 and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 According to Pete Townshend- who produced the film- Kamen agreed to lend his name but the score was ghosted. Townshend couldn't afford his fee! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 This score sounds like Kamen through and through to me, and it's my personal favorite of his works. Yavar bruce marshall and JWMike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: This score sounds like Kamen through and through to me, and it's my personal favorite of his works. Yavar Well, he did farm out the work to his assistants.😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWMike 117 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 hours ago, bruce marshall said: According to Pete Townshend- who produced the film- Kamen agreed to lend his name but the score was ghosted. Townshend couldn't afford his fee! Where did you get this information from? Could it not be a tongue in cheek comment? Would be a bit strange considering the recent deep dive by Brad Bird et al. into Kamen's work on the score. From this event it sounded like a typical score working with his orchestrators (Elhai & Neely). Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This story was related in " Who I Am". Townshend bought the rights to the story. Initially, he composed a theater piece that was released on CD as " The Iron Man". He produced the film also. You can read it for yourself.. JWMike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWMike 117 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: This story was related in " Who I Am". Townshend bought the rights to the story. Initially, he composed a theater piece that was released on CD as " The Iron Man". He produced the film also. You can read it for yourself.. Well, the quote in the book is: Quote I had flown to Los Angeles to go with Des to meet Brad Bird whom Warners had suggested direct Iron Giant. Brad was keen but he hated musicals, and hated what Disney was doing with Elton on The Lion King. I recommended Michael Kamen to do the conventional orchestral score, for which the budget set aside was far too small. Michael did it as a favour for me, using talented junior associates to do the work quickly and efficiently. You've taken a fair bit of artistic licence with your version of the above! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I was completely accurate in my description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Dope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 06/07/2021 at 9:59 AM, chrissiddall said: The original OST does cover most of the flowing material. What's left is either very short, or has breaks for dialogue/action in an almost recitative style. JWFAN wants , no demands, EVERY cue, no matter how short. No matter how irrelevant😒! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 I don't know why you're so needlessly confrontational about this stuff. Everybody gets what they want and you can mind your own business instead of haranguing other people's preferences. Holko, Tom Guernsey, HunterTech and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrissiddall 162 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 minute ago, bruce marshall said: JWFAN wants EVERY cue, no matter how short.😒 Well, now all the music used in the movie is on the OST. Unfortunately the (full length) early versions of cues that were recorded in the first week of sessions are not included on this OST, but playback from my notation software gives a pretty decent feel for how they would have sounded, and are included on my YouTube playlist above. They're obviously not as good as a live orchestra but better than nothing. Regarding the Pete Townsend comment, yes he was working on a musical adaptation but it was a different entity and the music is unrelated to that in the movie. There was no ghost writing. I've spoken with the two orchestrators extensively, plus the director who sat with Michael whilst he composed many segments (you can see this in the video clips on YouTube). Some of the cues were even fully orchestrated by Michael, in his handwriting. Yavar Moradi, bruce marshall, BrotherSound and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 09/03/2022 at 1:29 PM, bruce marshall said: According to Pete Townshend- who produced the film- Kamen agreed to lend his name but the score was ghosted. Townshend couldn't afford his fee! Oh good grief. Having help from a lot of orchestrators/copyists, and even farming out certain cues to assistants is not the same as the score being "ghosted". Kamen's Robin Hood with its crazy schedule probably had more "ghosted" cues than this, but nobody would say Michael Kamen didn't write the score. Thanks for the actual quote from the book, @JWMike. That clears it right up. Yavar EDIT: And thanks to you, too, @chrissiddall! bruce marshall and JWMike 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, chrissiddall said: Well, now all the music used in the movie is on the OST. Unfortunately the (full length) early versions of cues that were recorded in the first week of sessions are not included on this OST, but playback from my notation software gives a pretty decent feel for how they would have sounded, and are included on my YouTube playlist above. They're obviously not as good as a live orchestra but better than nothing. Regarding the Pete Townsend comment, yes he was working on a musical adaptation but it was a different entity and the music is unrelated to that in the movie. There was no ghost writing. I've spoken with the two orchestrators extensively, plus the director who sat with Michael whilst he composed many segments (you can see this in the video clips on YouTube). Some of the cues were even fully orchestrated by Michael, in his handwriting. I just quoted Pete. Thanks for giving your side. Autobigraphies are notoriously inaccurate## Btw I don't see how Townshend' s quote can be interpreted any other way than how I described it. Kaman lent his name and had others do the work. 11 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I don't know why you're so needlessly confrontational about this stuff. Everybody gets what they want and you can mind your own business instead of haranguing other people's preferences. The CD isn't even out yet and folks are complaining it's not " complete". Gimme a break! Nobody is ever satisfied. Always bitching about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 990 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 And here you are bitching about other people expressing mere disappointment over a prestigious company not going as far as they possibly can with materials we know for certain do exist (that has been confirmed to be at least quite a bit different). Not even Thor is this relentless after each obligatory "OST is fine" post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 You and your comradez feel like you're "entitled" to own every cue for every score. This attitude is peculiar to a certain demographic. You collect cues like bottlecaps You bitch about the artwork.. You can't enjoy a score of its " missing" something. Look at the BATMAN discussion; the.initial comments focus more on what music is left off the soundtrack. You take the joy out of being a score fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 You're welcome to find a different film score discussion forum where people do not talk about those things. At JWFan, we talk about those things. Embrace what we are, or go away. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 This is the one chance in decades they have to do it. Do it fucking right. You're the one always bitching about well done releases, taking the fun out of those. A longer release can always be cut down to preference but nobody can conjure up unreleased cues from thin air to fill holes in the program that'd make it work better for them. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 The three Amigos; so predictable 3 minutes ago, Jay said: You're welcome to find a different film score discussion forum where people do not talk about those things. At JWFan, we talk about those things. Embrace what we are, or go away. Thanks. So, we must all agree on everything? Sounds boring. You are free to counter my arguments. I won't cry 9 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: You and your comradez feel like you're "entitled" to own every cue for every score. This attitude is peculiar to a certain demographic. You collect cues like bottlecaps You bitch about the artwork.. You can't enjoy a score of its " missing" something. Look at the BATMAN discussion; the.initial comments focus more on what music is left off the soundtrack. You pirate sessions and expect them to be released "officially. You take the joy out of being a score fan. 15 minutes ago, HunterTech said: And here you are bitching about other people expressing mere disappointment over a prestigious company not going as far as they possibly can with materials we know for certain do exist. Not even Thor is this relentless after each obligatory "OST is fine" post. Chriss said every cue in the film has been released. But, that's not enuf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 990 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 What arguments? This is whingeing in the purest sense of the word. Is it really that ridiculous for someone to complain that a thing that advertises itself as a "deluxe edition" falls short of the label by not including more substantive material? It's designed to be a premium release, so forgive us if maybe we find it falls a bit short of those expectations. Also, way to conveniently ignore Chris's other words about the unused material being quite different. Is that not worthy of our curiosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrissiddall 162 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 Whilst I'm glad that this discussion is keeping my thread near the top of the forum, I do feel we've gone a bit off topic with the discussion. Anyone who is interested in checking out the notes, as written by Michael Kamen and orchestrated by Michael, Robert Elhai and Blake Neely, please head over to my site. Every note was carefully copied from the original manuscript and checked against the master tapes. It includes early and alternate versions of various cues, even the "Duck and Cover" song. This is the perfect companion for the movie and OST for any music reader and a rare opportunity to see an authentic film score. bit.ly/CSMP_IFS-002 BrotherSound, bruce marshall and Yavar Moradi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Xxx I apologize if I'm a bit cranky today. There a literally FIVE construction projects going on my block. Only in SF😣😵 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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