Popular Post crumbs 14,272 Posted July 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2021 This might interest people! Paramount Pictures and Paramount+ have announced a full restoration of the Director’s Edition of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” with plans for a 4K release in 2022. Previously only released on DVD, the director’s cut of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” alters around 10% of the film’s content and allowed filmmaker Robert Wise to complete the film in a manner he had originally envisioned along with the clean up of the film’s picture and sound. The resulting film not only trimmed some of the dud scenes (the post-wormhole jiggling, the V’ger flyover shots with flaws) and tightened the pace, but also boasts multiple new visual effects shots – clearing up mistakes in the old one and adding a few new ones to showcases a grander scale. Several character-based scenes that were previously edited out were also put back in. In many ways, it was what the “Star Wars: Special Edition” could have been with judicious rather than indulgent use of effects and maintaining as much of the original intent as possible. The result was a decided (if not vast) improvement on the original flawed film. The new 4K version will be overseen by producer David C. Fein, restoration supervisor Mike Matessino, and visual effects supervisor Daren R. Dochterman, all of whom worked previously with director Robert Wise. The restoration will result in a 4K Ultra HD presentation with Dolby Vision HDR and a new Dolby Atmos soundtrack. It is expected to take 6-8 months and will launch with an exclusive window on the Paramount+ service. Mike's certainly keeping himself busy beyond soundtrack expansions! Would be nice if someone at Disney Records would pick up the phone and chat to him about Star Wars though... I wonder if this means he'll go back to the multi-tracks for Goldsmith's score and remix the entire thing in Dolby Atmos? I'll hold out hope for a reissue of LLL's set, which I sadly missed out on OneBuckFilms, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Holko 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,663 Posted July 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2021 We’ve already been discussing this in the UHD thread. We’ve also agreed that ST: TMP is the greatest of all the Star Trek scores. This is what happens when you miss staff meetings. crumbs, OneBuckFilms and Bayesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,272 Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: We’ve already been discussing this in the UHD thread. We’ve also agreed that ST: TMP is the greatest of all the Star Trek scores. This is what happens when you miss staff meetings. It deserved its own thread, dammit! OneBuckFilms and Manakin Skywalker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: We’ve also agreed that ST: TMP is the greatest of all the Star Trek scores. I agree with that too. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 315 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 The greatest of all Trek scores, IMHO, and my personal favorite. One of the greatest Jerry Goldsmith scores, Trek or not. As for the 4K Director's Edition, this is an absolute Holy Grail as far as I'm concerned. They have the right people behind it, and I hope we can FINALLY get the film as Robert Wise intended in an apropriate resolution. The ideal would be to have both Theatrical and Directors Edition versions of the film on the disk, with the special features telling us about the DE restoration, and the DE special features from the DVD included on the Blu-ray disk. The Wrath Of Khan Directors Edition Blu-ray shows how to do things well. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,272 Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 I don't think you have anything to worry about, so long as Mike is involved in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said: The ideal would be to have both Theatrical and Directors Edition versions of the film on the disk, with the special features telling us about the DE restoration, and the DE special features from the DVD included on the Blu-ray disk. The Wrath Of Khan Directors Edition Blu-ray shows how to do things well. I’m hoping for all 3 versions to be presented one day. The extended cut that had 12 or so extra minutes, maybe they can finish the SFX / fix the stage showing for the scene of Kirk in his spacesuit going after Spock. I’m one of the few who still prefers the original theatrical cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,277 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Is the director's cut any better than the theatrical version? At that time I loved everything related to Science Fiction. But the Star Trek movie managed to bore me to keep, almost. But it's been 40 years since I saw the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneBuckFilms 315 Posted July 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2021 The DC has several improvements that Robert Wise implemented, and he regarded as his cut of the film. Due to the rushed production, the film never had a preview to see if they had overlooked things, and never had a completed sound mix, with a lot of sound effects etc. not included in the final mix for the film. This is part of why the score had to be as prominent as it was. So the changes can be summed up as followed: - Additional VFX shots of Vejur and the Enterprise, based on original storyboards, that could not be completed in 79 due to the production rush. - Some longer sequences in the cloud were cut down for better pacing of the film. - Sound mix was fleshed out more, with some sound effects added that they did not have time to integrate in 1979. - Certains scenes added that were initially cut to give more weight to characters rather than effects. The Directors Edition is actually slightly shorter than the theatrical cut of the film, with additional scenes and new effects for some scenes. All of the new effects and changes were done in a way so as to complement what could have been done in 1979 with more time and resources. IMHO, the film is improved in subtle ways and is slightly better paced. The film overall was not changed in terms of basic character, and there are no jarring Jabba-the-hut CGI in An New Hope type moments. I regard it as the definitive version of the movie, though I love both versions. Nick1Ø66, GerateWohl, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,515 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, OneBuckFilms said: I regard it as the definitive version of the movie, though I love both versions. Same. Many of the film's problems are mitigated in the Director's Cut. The added scenes really help and I don't miss any of the trimmed stuff. Yavar Nick1Ø66 and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MedigoScan 324 Posted July 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2021 Does the trimming of scenes mess up with the soundtrack itself though? Looking at the cuts reported on other sites, they all seem to be fair. Though I do miss Kirk saying 'oh my god' after the transporter incident. Yavar Moradi, Tallguy and OneBuckFilms 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,000 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 The Director's Cut has cheesy looking credits and unthinkably omits "Viewer off.... VIEWER OFF!" Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I never got the film on Blu, hoping they might yet do a HD restoration of the DC. Who knows, if this sells (and/or streams) well, perhaps there's still a tiny chance for HD versions of DS9 and VOY down the road. JoeinAR and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,663 Posted July 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hedji said: The Director's Cut has cheesy looking credits and unthinkably omits "Viewer off.... VIEWER OFF!" Damn, that's right. "Viewer off" is one of the best lines in the movie, along with the aforementioned "oh my God" and "will you PLEASE sit down!?" along with "there's a THING out there" and the all-time classic, "Dammit Bones, I NEED you!" Yavar Moradi, MedigoScan and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 313 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Damn, that's right. "Viewer off" is one of the best lines in the movie, along with the aforementioned "oh my God" and "will you PLEASE sit down!?" along with "there's a THING out there" and the all-time classic, "Dammit Bones, I NEED you!" The opening credits of the DE using the album version of 'Main Title' -where two strikes of the timpani begins the cue instead of two strikes on the snare drum from the theatrical cut--was a foreshadow of those worst things mentioned. Read discussion of the Main Title alternate takes Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, SyncMan said: The opening credits of the DC using the album version of 'Main Title' Crap, well that's enough to put me off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,515 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, Holko said: Crap, well that's enough to put me off! I agree this change wasn't for the better, but there are enough huge improvements (including previously omitted stuff being edited back in, which flesh out character relationships and development sorely missing from the theatrical cut) that you really should check out the Director's still. I'm glad to have both cuts, even if personally I might pick and choose things from both. Overall I far prefer the new cut over the rushed theatrical cut. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,277 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 That really sounds iinteresting. I think, I will give the director's cut a shot. Thanks for the explanations. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,515 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 In summary: If you have never really liked Star Trek: The Motion Picture but have never seen the Director's Edition, give it a shot and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the improvements. If you have always liked the theatrical cut, well, there may be some things you miss in the new cut as they were really trying to tighten things up but may have left out some fun bits. For someone who has never seen any version of the film, I know that the Director's is the version I would show to them first. Yavar GerateWohl and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1977 1,743 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Wonder if Paramount may be mulling over finally allowing Shatner to attempt to fix his ST V - even if it's only trims and new F/X shots. May explain why they are electing to release only I-IV initially, with TMP: DE following later. As flawed as TMP: TE is, it's got a lot more going for it than V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 "Bring back the rock monster!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I'm wondering what will be changed in the newest version of the Director's Edition. Without Wise what will they feel they have latitude to change? But then I thought: If they change ANYTHING will there be fans demanding the original 2001 Robert Wise Edition? Me: I just want all of it (Theatrical / Television / DE / Deleted Scenes) in the best possible format so that I can edit together MY edition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Tallguy said: I'm wondering what will be changed in the newest version of the Director's Edition Who said anything changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Who said anything changed? At the most basic level they're going to be using new models. So that's change although the intention is that it will not be noticeable. But I know Daren has said that he wants to redo the briefing lounge scene. At the least fixing the star field so that it matches the nacelle or a more ambitious approach of putting them on a virtual set of the officer's lounge. Or will they rerender the nacelle to be 4k and leave everything else as is? There were other changes to the music (the overture, the main titles) that were not intentional but were done because there was a time crunch and the original elements weren't available. This is my recollection, someone can and will correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously Mike had everything at his disposal when he did the CD set. EDIT: I want to be clear that I'm just musing about what might be. If they manage to produce a 4K replica of the 2001 film with everything I like and everything I hate from the edition that was supervised by Wise (and Goldsmith!) then I'm still good with it. Just be sure to give me the theatrical cut in comparable quality. I want at least the equivalent of the Wrath of Khan blu ray (both versions). At best I want the Star Trek equivalent of the Blade Runner box (EVERYTHING!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 To Paraphrase Mr. Sulu any chance I can see the Enterprise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,663 Posted July 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: Who said anything changed? You know engineers, they love to change things. Yavar Moradi, Ollie, JoeinAR and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 12:49 PM, JTWfan77 said: Wonder if Paramount may be mulling over finally allowing Shatner to attempt to fix his ST V - even if it's only trims and new F/X shots. If amateur effects artists on YouTube can do wonders to V’s piss poor visuals, imagine what a half competent SFX company could do on a budget to fix it up. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Nick1Ø66 said: You know engineers, they love to change things. Premiere night half of my audience were engineering students. That was the biggest laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Some footage https://www.startrek.com/videos/watch-star-trek-the-motion-picture-restoration-mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,456 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Does it make it a good movie, at last? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positivatee 327 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 It's a good movie if you love the characters and respect the ambition and scope of the movie. It's not a good movie if you're expecting a fast-paced action shoot-em-up. It's not a good movie if you're expecting anything more than a remake of an unremarkable episode from the original TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Bespin said: Does it make it a good movie, at last? You can go find out. Unless you think moving from SD to 4K will make it intrinsically better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 313 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 BTS images of the restoration: https://www.startrek.com/gallery/go-behind-the-scenes-of-the-restoration-of-star-trek-the-motion-picture crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Yeah. I might have a real problem with messing with the Spock Walk. I mean, it's arguably the most perfect scene in the movie. It's the centerpiece of the whole film. Fingers crossed. I thought... 75%? 80%? of the original DE was well done and necessary. My BIGGEST complaint (possibly already mentioned here) was using the Enterprise B bridge sound FX from Generations rather than, say, Wrath of Khan which were much more contemporary to TMP. Almost anything that was a "this didn't get done in the original" decision was valid and felt like finishing the movie. I still can't figure out why they re-did San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 313 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 50 minutes ago, Tallguy said: I still can't figure out why they re-did San Francisco. In the theatrical cut of that sequence, there was a splice in the end of the music-cue, “Total Logic”, so that it would fit the length of that sequence. I am thinking that the reason that new footage of the San Francisco sequence was created was because the filmmakers wanted to keep that music-cue unedited. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, SyncMan said: In the theatrical cut of that sequence, there was a splice in the end of the music-cue, “Total Logic”, so that it would fit the length of that sequence. I am thinking that the reason that new footage of the San Francisco sequence was created was because the filmmakers wanted to keep that music-cue unedited. Do you think? The reason that sounds odd to me is because there are other sequences where they edited the score to cut down a scene. It's not just that they did an alternate shot it's that they departed completely from what had been in the film before as well as any of the production designs that had been done for the film back in 1978/9. It had a much more TNG look to it. Incidentally I made an edit of that track that follows the original edit for the film. I mean it's not like it doesn't make musical sense. In the film it's a statement, on the OST it's just a repeat of the main title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Well, Goldsmith intended the Cloud sequence to able to be edited down. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I'm excited about this. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 29/11/2021 at 4:02 PM, Grace Under Pressure said: Well, Goldsmith intended the Cloud sequence to able to be edited down. Sure. And I can't imagine he was too put out by the edit at Starfleet for the same reason. The new FX are one of the few "this doesn't feel like 1979" moments in the DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,384 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I'm not a STAR TREK guy at all, so I'm kinda surprised by my own participation in this thread, but I'd love to see TMP in 70mm on the big screen (I don't know if a 70mm print exists). I remember marveling at the visuals when I saw it as a teen (on VHS). I suppose a 4K version on a home cinema system would be a decent alternative. Everyone hates the slowness about this film, but that's one of the reasons for why I think it's the best film in the saga -- time to absorb and marvel rather than moving the story forward all the time (screw story!). Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Positivatee 327 Posted December 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2021 Uncanny... Dr. Rick, Marian Schedenig and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Thor said: I'm not a STAR TREK guy at all, so I'm kinda surprised by my own participation in this thread, but I'd love to see TMP in 70mm on the big screen (I don't know if a 70mm print exists). I remember marveling at the visuals when I saw it as a teen (on VHS). I suppose a 4K version on a home cinema system would be a decent alternative. Everyone hates the slowness about this film, but that's one of the reasons for why I think it's the best film in the saga -- time to absorb and marvel rather than moving the story forward all the time (screw story!). IMHO TMP and The Wrath of Khan represent the best of two kinds of Star Trek. I'm amazed and dismayed when I pull up this movie on Plex and it shows the Rotten Tomatoes score as 43%! I don't believe that TMP was filmed in 70mm although there were some prints made? Is that the 1980's equivalent of up-rezzing? Someone smarter than me please use the right words. I saw it on the big screen two years ago at a Fathom event and it looked gorgeous. The new 4K set is sitting under my tree, taunting me. I would be shocked (SHOCKED) if this new 4K DE does not get some kind of theatrical presentation through Fathom or some other outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 315 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I believe Star Trek TMP is 35mm Anamorphic, and they did not have time to do a 70mm blowup that may have been planned. Could be wrong on that, but that's my understanding. The 4K DE might not get any kind of theatrical presentation for it's release, given that there will be a period where it is exclusive to the Paramount+ streaming platform. I'm hoping to see a 4K / Blu-Ray release that also includes the Theatrical Cut and the special features from both the DE DVD and the current Blu-ray / 4K releases, as well as maybe something covering the restoration for Paramount+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 hour ago, OneBuckFilms said: The 4K DE might not get any kind of theatrical presentation for it's release, given that there will be a period where it is exclusive to the Paramount+ streaming platform. Boo! (And you're probably right.) 1 hour ago, OneBuckFilms said: I'm hoping to see a 4K / Blu-Ray release that also includes the Theatrical Cut and the special features from both the DE DVD and the current Blu-ray / 4K releases, as well as maybe something covering the restoration for Paramount+. That was always my dream. But with the Theatrical Cut having it's own release I don't see it happening that way. Unless they sell them together as a box. But what do I know? I gather the deleted scenes on the 4K set are in SD. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I just want to see this with a live orchestra. I'm a simple girl with simple wishes. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 03/12/2021 at 8:22 PM, OneBuckFilms said: I believe Star Trek TMP is 35mm Anamorphic, and they did not have time to do a 70mm blowup that may have been planned. Could be wrong on that, but that's my understanding. That's correct. In the 1999 expanded score booklet, it explains to there was no time to strike 70mm prints, before release date. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Brónach said: I just want to see this with a live orchestra and Craig Huxley's Blaster Beam. Fixed. OneBuckFilms and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,242 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Brónach said: I just want to see this with a live orchestra and Craig Huxley's Blaster Beam and no dialog or sound effects. Fixed fixed. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2021 53 minutes ago, Tallguy said: 8 hours ago, Brónach said: I just want to see this with a live orchestra and Craig Huxley's Blaster Beam and no dialog or sound effects. At one of Goldsmith's two LSO concerts in 2003 (his last with the orchestra, it would turn out), we were treated to a 30 minute suite from STTMP. Live orchestra, blaster beam, no dialogue or sound effects. 1977, Brónach, Edmilson and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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