James Horner's STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN (1982) - 2021 2-CD La-La Land Records Remastered Edition

[Jay 41,174]

[Holko 11,029]

Nice to see it back in print with such a large number. But will this decade mostly consist of the labels rerereissuing each others' stuff?

[WampaRat 1,450]

Beautiful use of the Bob Peak poster. This cover seems less crowded than the other expanded one. 

[Jay 41,174]

Yea, cool cover art!

 

I can't wait to hear the details about how this was remastered.

 

In this thread, Lukas Kendall mentioned the possibility that there was a 2" 24-track analog tape "parallel recording", which if true means they won't have to use the 3M digital master, which is forever locked in 1982-era digital recording technology.  That could mean a big upgrade in sound quality.

[Sunshine Reger 3,622]

For a second I thought an OMNI release was coming. Ehh, one can dream...

[Jay 41,174]

 

[OneBuckFilms 425]

Good to get confirmation that Neil S. Bulk is involved.

[Bellosh 4,034]

Probably a top 5 score of all time for me.....but what will be different with this release compared to the expanded/complete edition I already have?

 

Regardless.... I'm tempted.

[Meredith McKay 7,305]

So, Neil will interview Neil.....

[shockwave 8]

Hi Guys,

 

Please excuse my novice comment.  When I hear the music from TWOK on DVD. I think some of the instruments sound more crisper.  Example if I am not that crazy, I think I can hear drums during the "Surprise Attack" at 2:08?  

 

[OneBuckFilms 425]

The Blu-ray and DVD for WOK do seem to be slightly cleaner for the music, but it may be partly due to the different dynamics for the movie's existing mix.

 

My understanding is that the STII expanded release uses the analogue mixdown they used for the film, so if the film itself sounds better, it implies some slow degradation of those tapes since 1982.

 

I might have to do a comparison myself.

[shockwave 8]

13 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said:

The Blu-ray and DVD for WOK do seem to be slightly cleaner for the music, but it may be partly due to the different dynamics for the movie's existing mix.

 

My understanding is that the STII expanded release uses the analogue mixdown they used for the film, so if the film itself sounds better, it implies some slow degradation of those tapes since 1982.

 

I might have to do a comparison myself.

Another stupid comment. To bad there wasn't an iso score to TWOK DVD. 

[OneBuckFilms 425]

Just now, shockwave said:

Another stupid comment. To bad there wasn't an iso score to TWOK DVD. 

I'm curious, what is actually stupid about my speculative comment?

[Holko 11,029]

3 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said:

I'm curious, what is actually stupid about my speculative comment?

That likely referred to his own comment in a self-deprecating way, don't worry.

[OneBuckFilms 425]

Sorry about that. Humor... it is a difficult concept.

[Marian Schedenig 9,708]

 

[Tallguy 5,026]

1 hour ago, OneBuckFilms said:

Sorry about that. Humor... it is a difficult concept.

 

We learn by doing. 

 

(It's Pavlovian!) 

[Manakin Skywalker 5,554]

What's a "humor"? Is that some type of tumor?

[OneBuckFilms 425]

12 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

What's a "humor"? Is that some type of tumor?

It's not a tumor.

 

That's just a rumor.

[shockwave 8]

18 hours ago, OneBuckFilms said:

I'm curious, what is actually stupid about my speculative comment?

Sorry for the delay. No certainly not you  OneBuckFilms.  Only me I ask the stupid questions lol.  Thank you for replying to my original question. 

 

 

[Jay 41,174]

If the music in the actual film itself has higher fidelity than both music album releases have, that lends credence to the thought that perhaps that 2" 24-track did exist, and maybe they dubbed the music to go into the film off that, while the digital recording was used for the album only.  Or something.

[OneBuckFilms 425]

Neil did say there were more tapes, and something recently about picking them from a spreadsheet (list of recorded assets in the studio archive, with "I'll have those please").

 

Bottom line for me: there are likley better sources tat were utilized for this release. I predict good things ...

[crumbs 15,228]

Hopefully they can announce a reissue of ST:TMP in the near future. I regret not picking that up

[OneBuckFilms 425]

That release was a no-brainer for me. I went to an event in LA where Craig Huxley performed the Blaster Beam, and we heard from David Newman who played first violin on the score.

 

I'll always remember those LA events.

[crumbs 15,228]

I only really discovered it in the dying days of its availability, then when I went to the pull the trigger, they only had half a dozen copies left.

 

They vanished before I could complete the order.

[Bespin Copilot 9,203]

Oh, I just realized I have the "1 CD" version, the FSM one.

 

I'm confused.

 

Do I need the new 2-CD release?

[Jay 41,174]

We don't know anything about it yet, other than the fact it says "remastered" on the cover and that Neil indicated new tapes were found on FSM.

 

Presumably, we're learn more about this stuff when the interview I mentioned here goes live.

[OneBuckFilms 425]

The FSM edition is complete to the film, plus one early alternate.

 

It also has every cue from the OST, since the takes are the same, though they added the synth overlay in the Mutara Nebula battle cue (I think I prefer the cue without it, as it's more of an effect that was more of an afterthought).

 

The two reasons this release might be worth it:

 

- Sound improvements, almost a given.

- Additional content that was not presented on the FSM edition, though there may not be that much more to present.

 

I'll be getting it for the sonic upgrade alone.

[Bespin Copilot 9,203]

Well, if I buy this one, I'll have to buy the future 2-CD (or 3!) reissue of the third film also....

 

This is endless!!!

[Tom Guernsey 2,978]

9 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said:

The FSM edition is complete to the film, plus one early alternate.

 

It also has every cue from the OST, since the takes are the same, though they added the synth overlay in the Mutara Nebula battle cue (I think I prefer the cue without it, as it's more of an effect that was more of an afterthought).

 

The two reasons this release might be worth it:

 

- Sound improvements, almost a given.

- Additional content that was not presented on the FSM edition, though there may not be that much more to present.

 

I'll be getting it for the sonic upgrade alone.

All that! The synth overlay is such a weird one since I don't imagine it's that noticeable above the effects in the film. The music may just as well stay out of the way.

[OneBuckFilms 425]

Given the big sonic upgrade etc. for Trek 3, and the fact that it appears complete from the best masters we are aware of, I don't think an upgrade will ever be necessary.

 

However, one can never say never.

[Jay 41,174]

I could see the new Disc 1 being the same as the FSM CD, with perhaps the Craig Huxley "Genesis Project" track being moved to disc 2 instead (IMO it ruins the flow of Horner's great score being placed in the middle of it), and the Finale cue not having Spock's narration, and no bonus tracks, just finishing with the end credits.   All rebuilt from scratch from whatever this new element is of course.

Then disc 2 would have the OST program (so: "Battle in the Mutara Nebula" has no overlay and "Finale" has narration), followed by bonus tracks: the "Genesis Project" track, "Battle in the Mutara Nebula" with the alternate unused overlays, the alternate "Amazing Grace", the original "Finale", and whatever else they might have found on the new tapes.

[Datameister 2,384]

2 hours ago, OneBuckFilms said:

That release was a no-brainer for me. I went to an event in LA where Craig Huxley performed the Blaster Beam, and we heard from David Newman who played first violin on the score.

 

I'll always remember those LA events.

 

That was a really fun event. The audience reaction (including mine) with the early takes of the main title was great.

[OneBuckFilms 425]

1 minute ago, Datameister said:

 

That was a really fun event. The audience reaction (including mine) with the early takes of the main title was great.

I knew someone had it on YouTube ...

 

 

[Datameister 2,384]

5 hours ago, OneBuckFilms said:

I knew someone had it on YouTube ...

 

 

 

Good times. I was bummed I didn't get a chance to thank Craig for his work. Got to compliment Bruce Botnick on his, though.

[Bespin Copilot 9,203]

I can't always buy new Editions of scores I like, I have to set limits. 😭

[Tallguy 5,026]

7 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

All that! The synth overlay is such a weird one since I don't imagine it's that noticeable above the effects in the film. The music may just as well stay out of the way.

The synth is actually over a section with no dialog and very few sound effects. It sounds like an effect itself. 

[blondheim 1,215]

I am still so used to the track without it.

[Dr. Rick 1,271]

Can’t wait to get this since I never got the FSM release.  Hope this bodes well for ST:TSFS release from LLL!

[Jay 41,174]

Neil S. Bulk says

 

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Details about this album will be coming out around August 17. Keep an eye out at trekmovie.com, trekcore.com and jameshorner-filmmusic.com.

 

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=144745&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=1

[Meredith McKay 7,305]

Well, I should hope there would be more details for a set on the day of it's release

[Meredith McKay 7,305]

The longest gap between one of my jokes and a laugh I have witnessed

[Marian Schedenig 9,708]

10 minutes ago, Permanent Waves said:

The longest gap between one of my jokes and a laugh I have witnessed

 

That's nothing compared to this guy:

 

[Meredith McKay 7,305]

On 8/6/2021 at 4:00 PM, Jay said:

Neil S. Bulk says

 

 

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=144745&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=1

Only a few more days!

[Tallguy 5,026]

Is it reasonable to expect anything tomorrow? I can never keep track of what label does what how. Like for Eiger we started getting things like track lists a few days early. Heck, the CD went on sale on Monday! (That seemed unusual.)

[Meredith McKay 7,305]

24 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

Is it reasonable to expect anything tomorrow? I can never keep track of what label does what how. Like for Eiger we started getting things like track lists a few days early. Heck, the CD went on sale on Monday! (That seemed unusual.)

I wouldn't be completely surprised if we got some sort of article on it from trekcore or the like tomorrow, but the most definite thing is the order page going live sometime tuesday late afternoon or evening

[Jay 41,174]

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

Is it reasonable to expect anything tomorrow? I can never keep track of what label does what how.

 

LLL gives us the flyer on the first of each month, then no other information until their email newsletter goes out overnight the day of release (so in this case: late Monday night / early Tuesday morning).  That email newsletter contains the tracklist and press release blurb for each title going up for sale that day.

 

The only time we get information sooner than that is if they elect to let another website debut information early, such as what JWFan did for Minority Report or Planetary Union did for The Orville, for example.

in this particular case, Neil Bulk already told us 3 sites that will have info up:

 

"Details about this album will be coming out around August 17. Keep an eye out at trekmovie.com, trekcore.com and jameshorner-filmmusic.com."

 

We have no way of knowing if any of those articles will go up before the newsletter or not.  We just have to wait and see.

 

 

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

Like for Eiger we started getting things like track lists a few days early.

 

Because I asked Roger if he'd be willing to let JWFan debut the tracklist (and sample track and liner notes sample) early, and he said yes

 

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

Heck, the CD went on sale on Monday! (That seemed unusual.)

 

Intrada has released titles every other Monday night for at least a decade, presumably more

[Tallguy 5,026]

Well then. I would not presume to debate you. Thanks as always.

[Michael Scorefan 4]

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

Is it reasonable to expect anything tomorrow? I can never keep track of what label does what how. Like for Eiger we started getting things like track lists a few days early. Heck, the CD went on sale on Monday! (That seemed unusual.)

Are you on their email mailing list?  Usually the night before a new release they send an email with all of the details for the new release(s) as well as any of their prior releases going on sale.  I expect they will do the same tomorrow night. 

[bruckhorn 123]

Well, I doubt they'll have this alternate version of Battle in the Mutara Nebula: Battle in the Mutara Nebula.