Jay 37,359 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 A Bubble envelope holding 2 CDs doesn't fit in your mail box? That's where mine was. Or did yours get put in a box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jay said: A Bubble envelope holding 2 CDs doesn't fit in your mail box? That's where mine was. Or did yours get put in a box? Letter boxes in doors over here. Just little flaps. Also got it in a padded envelope but it was too thick to go through the letterbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 Got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 My postman gives me a missed call once the package arrives. I then tell him to proceed and deliver to my house where our house help will receive it. Or if the wife is in a bad mood then I have it held up in the post office and collect it myself in person. And yes I occasionally tip the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted August 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Alan said: My copy arrived today (along with LLL's Schindler's List) while I was at work. Came home to a note from the postman to say the package was in the dustbin (trash can) so I had to go bin diving to retrieve it...nice... Alan, OneBuckFilms, Brando and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,913 Posted August 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2021 I got my copy today and am listening now. Such a fantastic score. It takes me back to being a very young boy seeing this in theaters and being introduced to Horner but also being amazed at how very different it was from Goldsmith's score but fantastic in its own way. I wonder why they didn't want him to reuse any of Goldsmith's fantastic work which I felt was odd at the time. I hadn't yet seen the "Space Seed" original but felt it did a great job of making it clear to me as a kid without knowing the original tv episode. I was deeply heartbroken at the death of spock sequence though I hadn't fully grasped the depth of their relationship. At the time, cable tv and HBO didn't yet even exist so we had very limited exposure to this material. I don't even think VHS existed yet (or my family didn't have it) so I only knew of Star Trek and Twilight Zone from CBS tv Saturday night episodes which aired very late...maybe 10:30 pm till midnight and as a young kid, mom wouldn't let me stay up to watch. I eventually waited till she was asleep so I could watch. I'm actually surprised the sound isn't better. It's great to relive these cues but for a "remastered edition", I think these should sound better. I prefer the sound on the previous "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (expanded soundtrack)". Compare to earlier Star Wars which stands up far better sound wise. According to the booklet, this was recorded at Warner Brothers which I know well and have recorded at myself (see picture) but the sound stage is close mic'ed and tight. This was the early days of digital but analog seemed to record a great acoustic sound more accurately. I assume audio engineers weren't looking for accuracy at that time but what would sound best in a large theater since theatrical experience was our only experience up to that point. Warner Brothers (Eastwood Scoring Stage) is on the smaller size and doesn't do great with larger orchestras (over 80 players) as you start getting players stacked up and no real room for the sound to travel or isolate the mic from louder instruments. In contrast, Sony/MGM/Streisand could accommodate 120 piece orchestra but would probably suffer with chamber or intimate sounds. These are generalizations and lots of other factors impact this as well such as who is the recording engineer, their approach, the style of the music, etc. I was also surprised by some nods to Bernard Herrmann I hadn't previously noticed until this release. He cast a long shadow on the genre and those composers coming up like Horner, Elfman, etc. I'm specifically referring to the slow passages with muted brass recalling "Day the Earth Stood Still" which must have musically influenced both Goldsmith and Horner. Tom Guernsey, Cerebral Cortex, Jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, karelm said: I'm actually surprised the sound isn't better. It's great to relive these cues but for a "remastered edition", I think these could be better. ... the sound stage is extremely close mic'ed. Not a great sound. That's Dan Wallin for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Thanks for sharing your thoughts and personal experiences, karelm, I enjoyed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Update from LLL via email: SHIP DELAY KHAN ORDER NUMBERS 226750 AND HIGHER NOTE: STAR TREK II - THE WRATH OF KHAN orders with an order number 226750 or HIGHER - your order can't ship out until we receive re-stock, which has been delayed by the factory. We expect re-stock within two weeks and your order will ship as soon as they arrive. Sorry for the delay and we appreciate your patience and support. (Customers with order numbers below 226750 - your orders are either currently shipping out, or already have) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Looks like it’s selling really well. Amer and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Stoked to hear it's selling well, but I hope this doesn't affect people who made orders at other retailers (like Intrada or MBR). They're still awaiting stock and it's been nearly two weeks since it started selling at LLL. Did they retain all stock from that first batch to sell themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Haven't listened to this yet but read the liner notes and they're really great indeed. The FSM set had more traditional write-up and this is more of an essay. But clearly done by a musicians and very exciting to read as such. Insightful. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 I actually just read the FSM liner notes last night, and they were wonderful! In my opinion neither is better or more important than the other, they overlap very little and each provides lot of interesting information. The FSM provides a lot more about the making of the film itself and the recording of the score, while the LLL provides a lot more about all the recurring elements of the score I also flipped through the GNP OST CD, and it's kinda funny, there's a brief blurb going over Horner's career talking about his "new score" for Field of Dreams, and then 2 entire pages are just wall-to-wall text describing the plot of the entire film. Yavar Moradi and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I listened to the score a little bit on YouTube and the main theme reminded me a lot of the Krull main theme. Anyone else same impression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 Yea people have been saying that for forty years. Of course, ST2 came first! GerateWohl and Tallguy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I listened to the film score presentation this morning and it does indeed sound different from the other two albums. Not as harsh anymore, and definitely more spacious (pun intended). I could definitely hear new details in the recording and it helped me to better appreciate Horner's intricate musical architecture. It's a very well structured score indeed. I wonder whether they're going to redo The Search for Spock as well? And, most importantly, whether there is any way that one can be expanded upon, or improved in terms of sound. I can't remember what was the source for the FSM release. Karol Yavar Moradi and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, crocodile said: I wonder whether they're going to redo The Search for Spock as well? And, most importantly, whether there is any way that one can be expanded upon, or improved in terms of sound. I can't remember what was the source for the FSM release. I hope they can't because I don't feel like buying all six films again. 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: I listened to the score a little bit on YouTube and the main theme reminded me a lot of the Krull main theme. Anyone else same impression? 1 hour ago, Jay said: Yea people have been saying that for forty years. Of course, ST2 came first! Stop exaggerating Jay. It's only 38. If you just play the melodies without the obviously similar orchestrations and flourishes do they really sound that much alike? I mean, sure the moment we heard Krull we said "Hey, it's that Star Trek II guy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Jay said: ST2 came first! That's interesting. I got to know Horner with Krull and was not aware that he scored such a big production before and I didn't watch Wrath of Kahn at the time. Somehow I had enough from TMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 Star Trek 3 wasn't recorded with the goofy 3M system Star Trek 2 was, so IIRC the FSM expansion was already sourced from great 1st generation analog. Since they had a two disc set to play with on that one its unlikely they left off any alternates or unused music and I don't know if a new transfer of the same element and redoing it all over would result in much of a difference. But who knows! crocodile and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I suppose they could just repress it for people who missed it. To me, these two scores are one two-hour work. I like how the Spock material blossoms as the story progresses. But yes, the sound on the FSM set was absolutely fine. Karol OneBuckFilms and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 Oh yea, I could see LLL having picked up the license for 2 and 3 at the same time and planning on reissuing both. From Neil's interviews and articles, he had no idea better elements for Trek 2 existed until after he got the material at his house, he thought it was going to be a relatively minor upgrade, so they might be doing an actual minor upgrade for 3. Yavar Moradi and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 IIRC, Neil said he suggested Star Trek II to fill a gap in the release schedule, since he wanted to revisit the score and revise it, then came across the elements listed among the digitized resources on the spreadsheet of available elements. This tells me that Star Trek III is probably not planned for a revisit. This could easily change based on feedback from this release of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said: IIRC, Neil said he suggested Star Trek II to fill a gap in the release schedule, since he wanted to revisit the score and revise it, then came across the elements listed among the digitized resources on the spreadsheet of available elements. No. He didn't know the better elements existed until after LLL already had the license and it's release window was set. Quote When work began on this new Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan soundtrack in January 2021, I expected to get the same tapes that were used for the previous expanded release, an album co-producer Mike Matessino and I worked on in 2009. https://blog.trekcore.com/2021/08/remastered-star-trek-ii-wrath-of-khan-soundtrack/ Quote “If Genesis is indeed ‘life from death,’ I must return to this place again.” Good words, and maybe–just maybe–they were in the back of soundtrack producer Neil S. Bulk’s mind when he found out there was a hole in La-La Land Records’ CD release schedule. “I had thrown out some suggestions,” he said in a recent phone interview with TrekMovie, “and Trek II was one I’d wanted to revisit.” As it turns out, a surprise awaited him when he requested the master tapes from the studio. “I thought we were going to get the exact same tapes as last time,” he said. “I thought, ‘I know what the inventory is, we’re gonna get these tapes and I can get this done very quickly.’ And what happened was Paramount found a lot more tapes—and it turns out they were the recording sessions. Last time we had selected takes. This time I had the recording session.” https://trekmovie.com/2021/08/17/la-la-land-releases-expanded-remastered-of-star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-soundtrack/ Quote “I did not know about the new tapes when the project started. Paramount has a preservation project going on so all of the tapes had already been transferred and it was a matter of looking at a spreadsheet and asking for specific barcodes. It wasn't a detailed list, but I knew I wanted the 1/2" tapes. When I put them in Pro Tools that's when I realized we had more tapes then last time. https://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/unexpected-new-edition-of-star-trek-ii-from-la-la-land-our-exclusive-review/ Which is why I said maybe LLL picked up both licenses at the same time. But who knows. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jay said: No. He didn't know the better elements existed until after LLL already had the license and it's release window was set. Isn't that what he meant? That the original reason for this release wasn't the existence of better elements, that revelation came later? OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 My understanding of the events leading up to what we have: - LLL had a gap in their release schedule, and Neil chimed in with the idea of revisiting ST2, which everyone liked. - Once the contracts / agreements / process was started, Neil got the spreadsheet detailing available elements, and he picked what he thought were the previously used masters. - Upon hearing the elements, he realized what they were and the rest is history ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, Holko said: Isn't that what he meant? That the original reason for this release wasn't the existence of better elements, that revelation came later? I guess I misunderstood. Apologies! 14 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said: My understanding of the events leading up to what we have: - LLL had a gap in their release schedule, and Neil chimed in with the idea of revisiting ST2, which everyone liked. - Once the contracts / agreements / process was started, Neil got the spreadsheet detailing available elements, and he picked what he thought were the previously used masters. - Upon hearing the elements, he realized what they were and the rest is history ... Right, but all I'm trying to say is, he might have suggested ST2 AND 3, but in all the interviews he is only saying that he suggested ST2, because 3 isn't announced yet. But again, who knows. Just idly speculatin' Tallguy and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just pointing this out: Star Trek III has different licensing requirements. Maybe it could have been mentioned to Paramount in the same breath with revisiting II, but the original album program to III is owned in perpetuity by a completely different record label than II... Yavar shockwave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 Oh that's interesting information I hadn't realized! Star Trek 2's OST was released by Atlantic Records (now owned by WMG), and LLL's press release starts off by saying "La-La Land Records, Paramount Pictures and Atlantic Records proudly present..." Star Trek 3's OST was released by Capitol Records (now owned by UMG) UMG is the entity that was slow to approve titles for over an entire year until the floodgates finally opened this spring, so LLL might not have even attempted to get a license from them for it, with so many projects already waiting for their approval first... Between 2020 and 2021, the only UMG titles LLL has gotten out the door are: 2020 Jan - Darkman 2020 March - Far and Away 2020 July - Two Mules for Sister Sara 2020 August - Casper 2021 May - X-Men 2021 June - Always 2021 July - Somewhere In Time [EDIT] 2021 September - Glory So with that in mind, a new edition of Star Trek 3 sounds increasingly unlikely. Maybe in 2024 for it's 40th! shockwave, Yavar Moradi and OneBuckFilms 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 My thinking was that at some point the labels would want to try and keep these in print for awhile. I didn’t realize until I saw Neil’s comments this was a “spur of the moment” project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I do remember when II came out in 2009 (out of nowhere) Lukas posted something like "A lot of you are asking if we might do III like we hadn't thought of it. We have and there is a lot of different people involved and we're just happy we have II." (That's a total paraphrase from a 12 year old memory and didn't I sound JUST like Lukas?) I still look back on that as the start of a truly remarkable ride. OneBuckFilms and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 Quote KHAN -- we were so surprised by the orders on this one. Our first batch sold so quickly via our website all wholesale orders had to be delayed....and now orders on our website are delayed. We are hoping to get our second batch in stock by Mid Sept so we can start shipping them out to our customers and our esteemed Wholesale partners https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=145068&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 My condolences to those of you waiting. It is worth the wait. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Tallguy said: My condolences to those of you waiting. It is worth the wait. I don't mind. This will be ordered with GLORY. Save me some shipping charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 It is a very nice upgrade indeed. The score will never sound as outstanding as some other recordings from the same year but you can definitely hear an improvement. The presentation is pretty much perfect and the packaging and liner notes are great too. Happy to have this. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 Update from MV: Quote Quote So will this be back in stock this week? We hope by Friday https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=144744&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 4:34 PM, Tallguy said: My condolences to those of you waiting. It is worth the wait. Fwiw😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Any other JWFanners have thoughts on this release? I played a few random tracks in a car a bit this week and am really loving the new sound quality still OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I've played it a few times, love it. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I saw this update on LLL website today about STAR TREK II: UPDATE: We greatly apologize for the wait on WRATH OF KHAN shipments, as this delay was unexpected. We expect re-stock by month's end, if not before. If KHAN is only a portion of your overall current order, and you wish us to get that out to you now (and send KHAN separately later) please let us know at info@lalaland-ent.com crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Never been more glad I ordered as soon as it went up for sale. Great release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I'll wait for a restock... I was afraid this edition didn't add much to the previous one but seems the sound quality has been really improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 Quote We will finally have the second batch arriving Monday. We have so many back orders, both on our website and with our wholesale friends that we will NOT be putting this back on the website to purchase until we get in the 3rd batch which will not be until mid to late October. MV https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=145273&forumID=1&archive=0 Now THAT is impressive sales! Ollie and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Wow, didn't expect such high demand. Star Trek titles clearly sell very well for LLL. You'd have to think Star Trek 3 is a shoe in at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 This release is really great. I hope everyone who wants to own it will be able to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 Quote UPDATE: Today I received some bad news from our Manufacturer of Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan. Due to supply issues and Covid regulations that have impacted the pressing plant we will NOT be receiving our next batch of Wrath of Khan discs until Nov 20th or later. Of course should they miraculously arrive earlier we will let you guys know. We will do our best to get more units in before the Holidays, but we are at the mercy of the Manufacturer and a worldwide poopy-storm. MV https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=144744&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Nils Jacob Holt Hanssen reviews this release, for anyone interested: http://celluloidtunes.no/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-remastered-edition-james-horner/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 27/08/2021 at 9:19 PM, Alan said: Probably thought it was the safest place for it if none of my neighbours were in to take delivery for me. That's harsh. I wouldn't go as far as saying the score is thrash! On 27/08/2021 at 10:15 PM, Amer said: Or if the wife is in a bad mood then I have it held up in the post office and collect it myself in person. Out of curiosity, what would potentially happen if the package was delivered to the wife when in a bad mood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's harsh. I wouldn't go as far as saying the score is thrash! Out of curiosity, what would potentially happen if the package was delivered to the wife when in a bad mood? A lecture!!!! and I have to pay a ransom by getting her something in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, Amer said: A lecture!!!! and I have to pay a ransom by getting her something in return. She thinks you've got too many CDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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