Thor 7,471 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jay said: Was he very productive, though? In the 1 year period from March 74 to March 75, he worked on the violin concerto, then wrote/recorded Earthquake -> Towering Inferno -> Eiger Sanction -> Jaws. 4 scores within 12 months seems about his normal pace throughout the 70s, no? After Jaws, 9 whole months would pass until he recorded his next score (Midway). I suppose it depends on how you define "very productive". I'm guessing some would be away completely for a year or two, while others jump back into it relatively quickly. It's all individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 Oh absolutely. Not long after Rick Moranis' wife died, he retired from acting to raise his kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,174 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Thor said: I suppose it depends on how you define "very productive". Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 248 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 hours ago, ciarlese said: Has anyone heard the premiere at Scala Radio today? I just realised to have missed it :(. I have been able to find it in the on-demand section of the website. You can find it here, check from time 2:31:54 :https://scala.listennow.link/18215675. They broadcast the first track of disc 1. You will need to register with a free account to access it. Unfortunately I am not able to record it on my PC. Not sure why the radio presenter says that his edition contains 40 minutes of unreleased music, which is the same heard in the previous Radio program, although my understanding is that only 36 minutes of over 2 hours program of this edition were previously released. Hope you appreciate this :). aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,379 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 hours ago, ciarlese said: Not sure why the radio presenter says that his edition contains 40 minutes of unreleased music, which is the same heard in the previous Radio program, although my understanding is that only 36 minutes of over 2 hours program of this edition were previously released. Maybe they refer to unused music + dropped OST tracks that have never been heard by anyone, but 40 minutes seems to be a lot for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 36 is rounded up to 40 if counting in tens... Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,287 Posted August 9, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 I think it's just that the old LP was 36 minutes, and the new main program is 75 minutes, so people think "oh, 36 minutes was released before and 39 minutes is previously unreleased, ok I'll round up and say 40 minutes of unreleased music". Or something like that. But the truth is the new release is 2 hours and 8 minutes long and only 36 of that has ever been released before. And only 3/5s or so of what has not can even be heard in the film itself, leaving a huge portion of music being released here that few people on earth had ever heard in the past 46 years. MikeH, Dr. Rick, crumbs and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,287 Posted August 9, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 Last night I went through the Blu Ray and jotted down when each bit of Williams' score starts and stops. @Omen II wasn't kidding - it's incredibly hard to hear the beginning and/or ending of some of the cues at times! Not really a surprise considering it's a mono mix, but still annoying. Here's what I came up with: Start End Length Intrada 0:00:17 0:03:27 3:10 01 Main Title 3:23 0:05:03 0:06:35 1:32 02 The Microfilm Killing (Film Version) 1:47 0:11:13 0:12:09 0:56 03 To The Dragon 1:30 0:19:27 0:22:27 3:00 05 Up The Drainpipe (Film Version) 3:38 0:26:14 0:27:24 1:10 06 Love Scene 4:05 0:28:17 0:29:00 0:43 09 The Unlocked Safe 1:37 0:29:40 0:30:11 0:31 09 The Unlocked Safe 0:40 0:35:25 0:36:55 1:30 10 Friends And Enemies (Film Version) 1:32 0:39:55 0:41:25 1:30 10 Friends And Enemies (Film Version) 1:51 0:46:32 0:48:11 1:39 11 Montage - Running With George 1:40 0:49:55 0:50:45 0:50 11 Montage - Running With George 0:56 0:50:49 0:52:16 1:27 11 Montage - Running With George 2:12 1:02:04 1:04:49 2:45 12 The Top Of The World (Film Version) 3:02 1:05:44 1:06:16 0:32 12 The Top Of The World (Film Version) 0:35 1:07:12 1:08:20 1:08 13 George Reveals Herself 1:17 1:16:07 1:17:29 1:22 16 The Eiger (Film Version) 1:53 1:34:36 1:36:39 2:03 19 Leading The Climb 2:46 1:37:37 1:39:07 1:30 20 The First Sunset 1:37 1:40:08 1:40:39 0:31 21 Sunrise 0:44 1:41:47 1:45:03 3:16 22 Falling And Swinging 3:16 1:46:19 1:47:14 0:55 22 Falling And Swinging 1:26 1:47:57 1:52:02 4:05 23 The Icy Ascent (Film Version) 4:13 1:54:18 1:55:51 1:33 24 Down The Ice Face 2:15 1:56:09 1:58:33 2:24 25 Freytag Onto Ice 2:24 1:59:15 1:59:43 0:28 26 Hanging By A Thread 3:47 2:02:09 2:02:48 0:39 2:06:41 2:08:47 2:06 27 End Title 2:16 That's only 43:15 of score in a film that runs 2:08:54! Talk about a very sparsely spotted film! Since the Intrada disc 1 is 75:16, that's 32:01 of music John Williams wrote for the film that Eastwood didn't use in the final cut, or a little over 2/5ths of the score! Damn! It was interesting to hear how many cues got shortened in the film. Most of the edits aren't noticeable when just watching the film. But many are obvious on examination. The worst one is in "The Sunrise", a very sloppy edit there! The start of the second "Running with George" cues had an awkward start in the film too. "Hanging By A Thread" is the only cue that Eastwood broke into two pieces, only using the beginning and ending bits of the cue, and dialing out the entire middle The more you watch/listen to the film, the more blatantly obvious it becomes where Eastwood removed whole scenes or parts of scenes - awkward audio edits and some hasty ADR at times, etc. We're so lucky the scoring masters were (nicely!) preserved, and we didn't get an "OST album followed by additional cues from the mono film stem" style release! EDIT: Just realized I could do this: Start End Length Intrada Unused 0:00:17 0:03:27 3:10 1 Main Title 3:23 0:13 0:05:03 0:06:35 1:32 2 The Microfilm Killing (Film Version) 1:47 0:15 0:11:13 0:12:09 0:56 3 To The Dragon 1:30 0:34 4 Felicity 1:26 1:26 4 Felicity 1:37 1:37 0:19:27 0:22:27 3:00 5 Up The Drainpipe (Film Version) 3:38 0:38 0:26:14 0:27:24 1:10 6 Love Scene 4:05 2:55 7 Art Masterpieces 0:56 0:56 7 Art Masterpieces 0:42 0:42 8 Hemlock And Jemima 3:17 3:17 0:28:17 0:29:00 0:43 9 The Unlocked Safe 1:37 0:54 0:29:40 0:30:11 0:31 9 The Unlocked Safe 0:40 0:09 0:35:25 0:36:55 1:30 10 Friends And Enemies (Film Version) 1:32 0:02 0:39:55 0:41:25 1:30 10 Friends And Enemies (Film Version) 1:51 0:21 0:46:32 0:48:11 1:39 11 Montage - Running With George 1:40 0:01 0:49:55 0:50:45 0:50 11 Montage - Running With George 0:56 0:06 0:50:49 0:52:16 1:27 11 Montage - Running With George 2:12 0:45 1:02:04 1:04:49 2:45 12 The Top Of The World (Film Version) 3:02 0:17 1:05:44 1:06:16 0:32 12 The Top Of The World (Film Version) 0:35 0:03 1:07:12 1:08:20 1:08 13 George Reveals Herself 1:17 0:09 14 The Car Chase (Fifty Miles Of Desert) 3:21 3:21 15 Hemlock’s Bonus 2:10 2:10 1:16:07 1:17:29 1:22 16 The Eiger (Film Version) 1:53 0:31 17 Hotel Bellevue 3:00 3:00 18 Anna On The Stairs 0:50 0:50 18 Anna On The Stairs 0:54 0:54 1:34:36 1:36:39 2:03 19 Leading The Climb 2:46 0:43 1:37:37 1:39:07 1:30 20 The First Sunset 1:37 0:07 1:40:08 1:40:39 0:31 21 Sunrise 0:44 0:13 1:41:47 1:45:03 3:16 22 Falling And Swinging 3:16 0:00 1:46:19 1:47:14 0:55 22 Falling And Swinging 1:26 0:31 1:47:57 1:52:02 4:05 23 The Icy Ascent (Film Version) 4:13 0:08 1:54:18 1:55:51 1:33 24 Down The Ice Face 2:15 0:42 1:56:09 1:58:33 2:24 25 Freytag Onto Ice 2:24 0:00 1:59:15 1:59:43 0:28 26 Hanging By A Thread 3:47 2:40 2:02:09 2:02:48 0:39 2:06:41 2:08:47 2:06 27 End Title 2:16 0:10 Totals: 43:15 1:15:16 32:01 Raiders of the SoundtrArk, crlbrg, Yavar Moradi and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Already up for sale at Intrada! Aaaaaaaand.... Ordered! MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Thanks for the link! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,378 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 One less thing to do tomorrow! Ordered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Now I wait for a technical review by @Chewybefore buying an expanded release! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted August 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bespin said: Now I wait for a technical review by @Chewybefore buying an expanded release! Why? This one wasn't mastered by the usual Intrada guys. It was assembled, mastered (and maybe even mixed) by Mike Matessino. Holko, crumbs and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Ordered!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Ordered!!!! Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: Why? This one wasn't mastered by the usual Intrada guys. It was assembled, mastered (and maybe even mixed) by Mike Matessino. Oh, can I remember you the Harry Potter box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Ordered! Was going to add Sleepy Hollow too, but it said 'item may be backordered' and didn't want that holding up my Eiger. I'm too eager for Eiger. I did add Extreme Prejudice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Quote Williams also recorded another seven minutes of original source music as well. All of it appears in this new 2-CD expanded Intrada presentation crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 They will reprint Disc 1 of Sleepy, don't order it now. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bespin said: They will reprint Disc 1 of Sleepy, don't order it now. Ah yeah, just got caught up on all that. I had the Intrada page open for some time earlier and I didn't actually see it show 'temoprarily out of stock' on Sleepy Hollow until I refreshed that page later, after I tried adding it to my cart. I shall wait on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 needless to say, ordered! thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 So I’m flipping channels and what do I find on Starz Encore Classics bit none other than Eiger Sanction 😂. I haven’t seen the movie yet so I’ve got it bookmarked for next time it comes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 It's not a good movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 117 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (Pre-)ordered via Screen Archives which charges $16 for shipping to Australia compared to Intrada's $18 (albeit with a scary warning about not replacing lost packages). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 59 minutes ago, Bespin said: Oh, can I remember you the Harry Potter box? Ok yeah, fair enough. That is the only album I can think of where Mike made any real mistakes. Off the top of my head though, the only problems I remember were a handful of lossy tracks in POA and a bad transition at the end of Saving Buckbeak. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 45 minutes ago, Bespin said: It's not a good movie! I’m sure it’s not but I feel obligated to watch it 😆 I find that I become much more into the score to films that I’ve seen ha haven’t seen. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 117 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said: Ok yeah, fair enough. That is the only album I can think of where Mike made any real mistakes. Off the top of my head though, the only problems I remember were a handful of lossy tracks in POA and a bad transition at the end of Saving Buckbeak. That and some tracks on CD2 of Schindler's List looking like 128kbps MP3s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 This release looks so much better than anything I could ever hope for. 😊 Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 7 hours ago, MrJosh said: Ordered! Was going to add Sleepy Hollow too, but it said 'item may be backordered' and didn't want that holding up my Eiger. I'm too eager for Eiger. Same thing here! Oh well. Sleepy Hollow next time. (And a very nice turn of phrase!) 7 hours ago, MrJosh said: I did add Extreme Prejudice though. I had bundled that with Call of the Wild and Somewhere in Time which arrived today. One order arrives - time to order the next one! 7 hours ago, Bespin said: They will reprint Disc 1 of Sleepy, don't order it now. Ahhh. That explains why it went out so quickly. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Well I ordered my copy from the Music Box Records. Can't wait to hear this! Basically the whole film score is previously unheard with tons of unused material and source music to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Ordered from MBR as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Incanus said: Well I ordered my copy from the Music Box Records. Can't wait to hear this! Basically the whole film score is previously unheard with tons of unused material and source music to boot. Interesting that their press release indicates all the source music written by Williams for the film is included. It feels like more than 3 tracks of source in the film though. Maybe there's some non-JW stuff used in the film. Still a very pleasant surprise that Mike convinced him to include it, after everything we've heard on other releases. What a gift! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Ordered from Music Box Records along with The Russia House (Reissue) and Inchon (3CD set) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 ordered from Music box, along with Always. Which unfortunately is on back order. Yesterday it was available! so it will take a while until it arrives here... crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 "expertly mixed by Mike Matessino from the Universal three-channel split mono elements into crisp and vibrant stereo and heard in chronological sequence" So likely no 1st gen film elements remain, only the album elements. But hearing the samples, I'm not complaining at all, it sounds fantastic. If only they did this 3-channel split mono for Jaws too instead of that weirdly semi-joined not-quite-LCR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 The three-track split mono IS the first gen film element. That's all that was ever preserved from the film recordings - exactly the same situation as Earthquake, Jaws, and Family Plot GoodMusician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,499 Posted August 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 Oh. Nitpick time: in the samples' metadata, the artist is "John WIlliams". Someone forgot to release shift in time. And someone forgot to double check. DrTenma, GoodMusician and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,287 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 Here is Mike's explanation of how 3-track split mono works, from his Jaws liner notes: Quote For this new presentation, Intrada once again retrieved the archival three-track element from the Universal vaults and transferred it afresh at 24-bit resolution. After careful and extensive evaluation I reluctantly concluded that this element was never really intended to be mixed into true stereo. This was disappointing, but not entirely surprising. It was common at Universal during the 1970's, before the widespread resurgence of the surround process, to archive music masters in a "three-track split mono" configuration. At its severest application, sections of the orchestra would be grouped on one of the three tracks, with little or no presence on the other two. When the goal is a mono mix for the film, three tracks configured in this way allow an engineer to have some control over the level of certain instruments, but they can never yield a true stereo orchestral mix, only, when handled carefully, an agreeable sound with a pleasing degree of stereo "separation" Perhaps because the score was recorded at Fox rather than at Universal, a more progressive approach was (thankfully) taken when the three-track element for the Jaws score was created. While not exhibiting the fully compartmentalized sound of a split mono configuration, the element is also not in the true "Left-Center-Right" format that would become common shortly thereafter (and which was implemented for Jaws 2 in 1978) Eiger's film recordings are the same way: 3 track split mono. Earthquake was the same as well. So Mike created a brand new stereo mix from that just like he did for the Jaws and Earthquake film recordings. The album recordings are a completely different can of worms - that was recorded onto 16-track 2" tape, and he made a new true stereo mix from that for this release, rebuilding the entire OST album from scratch since he had every take of every cue. Jaws's album was not rebuilt from scratch because the album recording session elements have never turned up (and are presumed to have been burned up in the Universal fire) DrTenma, Holko and GoodMusician 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted August 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2021 Maurizio's new podcast is up! https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2021/08/10/the-eiger-sanction-podcast/ Chewy, crumbs, Bryant Burnette and 7 others 6 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 YAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Highlights of the year, these Maurizio/Tim/Mike interviews. Awesome! Dr. Rick and TownerFan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 I cannot get the episode to play properly for me, constant re-buffering. Is that happening to others or is it my connection here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Have you paid VAT and customs? ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 I found a solution: Playing through Spotfy with no issues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I just download to my device, and play it using my music app GoodMusician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 The download in the podcast app on my phone is now 4% finished after half an hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Holy fuck, these samples make me so excited to listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Obviously...ORDERED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 So lots of interesting reveals in @TownerFan's excellent podcast, which I won't spoil. But very glad that source music was discussed in great detail, because it's one of the things I was most curious about for this score. The major revelation being that 7 source pieces were found in the sessions, and all 7 were submitted to John on the first assembly, but sadly only 3 came back approved. I wonder if the Chopin excerpt was one of the 7 Mike submitted? But 3 is still better than none, so hopefully JW is softening his stance on source music a little... Apparently every piece of source music for Jaws 2 was rejected by JW also, even though he approved multiple pieces for Jaws (including ones he didn't even compose). Go figure! GoodMusician and TownerFan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Meybe intrada will accidentally send out an earlier assembly 1 hour ago, Jay said: The download in the podcast app on my phone is now 4% finished after half an hour Thats why I just download directly through my browser. crumbs and GoodMusician 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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