Nemesis 243 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 I'll wait with my order until it's fixed. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 K so I'm glad I was late in ordering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 These index issues are nothing unfixable, but they are annoying as fuck. Basic Instinct by Quartet, U.S. Marshals and Looney Tunes: Back in Action by Varese (since Townson left this seems to be a regular issue there (don't know whether Along Came a Spider and Lionheart are affected)) and now The Eiger Sanction by Intrada. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 I never noticed any issues with my rip of the Quartet Basic Instinct. Can you elaborate on that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/14/2021 at 8:49 PM, blondheim said: More than anything, I would love to see Williams' planned presentation for a 2LP Return of the Jedi On 8/14/2021 at 10:44 PM, Permanent Waves said: Was one planned? On 8/14/2021 at 11:26 PM, blondheim said: I don't think so but I'm no expert. I've always wondered about it though This is what Mike says about this: "RSO was in trouble beginning with the failure of Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band in 1979 and then the famous $200 million lawsuit the Bee Gees filed against them the following year. In 1981 Stigwood pulled out of the company and the new management, cutting corners due to the lawsuit, plus seeing that The Empire Strikes Back did not sell as well as Star Wars (along with declining soundtrack sales in general), mandated a single LP for JEDI and wanted a song and themes included on it. As a result half the album was material recorded specifically for it. RSO was interested in getting things on MTV at that point, so they became the wrong label for score soundtracks, which suffered across the board over the next several years." aescalle, crumbs and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 49 minutes ago, Jay said: This is what Mike says about this: "RSO was in trouble beginning with the failure of Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band in 1979 and then the famous $200 million lawsuit the Bee Gees filed against them the following year. In 1981 Stigwood pulled out of the company and the new management, cutting corners due to the lawsuit, plus seeing that The Empire Strikes Back did not sell as well as Star Wars (along with declining soundtrack sales in general), mandated a single LP for JEDI and wanted a song and themes included on it. As a result half the album was material recorded specifically for it. RSO was interested in getting things on MTV at that point, so they became the wrong label for score soundtracks, which suffered across the board over the next several years." Well, I don't agree with the assumption that "half the material" of ROTJ OST is made of re-recorded suites.... That's not quite true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 Recorded during the main scoring sessions: 01 Main Title (The Main Story Continues) (5:09) {1M2 Main Title & 1M3 Approaching The Death Star} 02 Into The Trap (2:36) {10M3 Into The Trap} [0:00-2:47] of 05 Han Solo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt) (2:47) {3M2 The Big Thaw} 06 Lapti Nek (By Jabba's Palace Band) (2:48) 08 Rebel Briefing (2:19) {13M4 New} 09 The Emperor (2:40) {12M5 The Emperor's Death} [0:00-1:58] of 11 Ewok Celebration and Finale (1:58) {13M5 & 13M5A} TOTAL TIME - 20:17 Recorded on the special album recording day: 03 Luke And Leia (4:43) {Brother and Sister} 04 Parade Of The Ewoks (3:24) {Parade Of The Ewoks} [2:47-end] of 05 Han Solo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt) (1:20) {Jabba The Hutt} 07 The Forest Battle (4:01) {The Battle In The Woods} 10 The Return Of The Jedi (5:00) {4M4 Rev} [1:58-end] of 11 Ewok Celebration and Finale (5:59) {End Credits} TOTAL TIME - 24:27 Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 497 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jay said: 10 The Return Of The Jedi (5:00) But that is recorded for the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,399 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Well technically he's just saying it was recorded at the album sessions in that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Nearly half, NOT HALF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, Smaug The Iron said: But that is recorded for the film Right, and so was the end credits, but neither cue was recorded until the special album day. Conversely, the versions of Lapti Nek, Ewok Celebration, and "Rebel Briefing" (Leia Breaks the News) are different than what's in the film. Rebel Briefing just had its ending replaced by the new funeral pyre cue, but Lapti Nek sounds like a version of the film cue an RSO exec would want to be the MTV single, and this version of Ewok Celebration sounds like it was done just for the album too. So with all that in mind, you could go Recorded to be put in the film (even if it didn't end up in the film) 01 Main Title (The Main Story Continues) (5:09) {1M2 Main Title & 1M3 Approaching The Death Star} 02 Into The Trap (2:36) {10M3 Into The Trap} [0:00-2:47] of 05 Han Salo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt) (2:47) {3M2 The Big Thaw} 08 Rebel Briefing (2:19) {13M4 New} 09 The Emperor (2:40) {12M5 The Emperor's Death} 10 The Return Of The Jedi (5:00) {4M4 Rev} [1:58-end] of 11 Ewok Celebration and Finale (5:59) {End Credits} TOTAL TIME - 26:30 Recorded specifically for album use 03 Luke And Leia (4:43) {Brother and Sister} 04 Parade Of The Ewoks (3:24) {Parade Of The Ewoks} 06 Lapti Nek (By Jabba's Palace Band) (2:48) [2:47-end] of 05 Han Salo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt) (1:20) {Jabba The Hutt} 07 The Forest Battle (4:01) {The Battle In The Woods} [0:00-1:58] of 11 Ewok Celebration and Finale (1:58) TOTAL TIME - 19:24 Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,152 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just arrived in the mail today!!! Sound is absolutely fantastic so far! I watched the movie for the first time last night so it's very fresh in my mind. Decent movie that's definitely dated but still an enjoyable flick with a surprising reveal at the end! I think George was my favorite part of the movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 Oh man, I didn't find the final reveal surprising at all. There was never any doubt who the killer would be! Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Track 4, Felicity. Anyone else hearing Sherlock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 David Arnold's? Or Zimmer's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 My copy has just shipped so anyone still waiting, don't panic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Too bad, it's deeply flawed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Jay said: David Arnold's? Or Zimmer's? Arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 Hmmm, I don't hear it. Maybe embed a track from Arnold's score it reminds you of? I was reminded more of Azkaban, personally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 55 minutes ago, Jay said: Hmmm, I don't hear it. Maybe embed a track from Arnold's score it reminds you of? I was reminded more of Azkaban, personally! This bit here. Especially when the tempo picks up. I'm sure it's just the rhythm and the instrument. It's not the melody at all. https://youtu.be/ZwpVPJzNaok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 Hmm, not hearing it at all, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted August 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2021 Really cool to listen through this release. For all of us fans who know a large body of Williams' work, what a special treat it is to have something like this, where firstly, the entirety of the film recordings hadn't been previously released, and on top of that, a large chunk that wasn't in the film at all. Plus extra album tracks that weren't on the album? What a cool release! While the album sounds great, I agree that I like the film-presentation overall sound better. Not complaining here, but I do hope there's a chance years down the line for some of the unreleased source music (not just from Eiger, but other releases too) to be released, as I find it all to be great fun! The Eiger Sanction has a lot of variety to it, I'll have to listen through it a 2nd time before I can say what tracks are favorites of mine. I've been humming the main theme a lot though. Omen II, crumbs, Dr. Rick and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 This is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 58 minutes ago, Jay said: Hmm, not hearing it at all, sorry That's OK. I guess now I can relate to people who think The Imperial March sounds like Mars. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tallguy said: That's OK. I guess now I can relate to people who think The Imperial March sounds like Mars. 😁 Yes but like March '78 and like if the tape was stored in my garage since then! I don't know if you ever listened to the Imperial March track with headphones (the original track from the OST).... it has a lot of clippings, it always had, it's barely unlistenable... and it will never sounds better. More you remaster it, more we hear the defaults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Apparently, there is an error on Disc 2. The first few seconds of Never Quaver are at the end of Dinner With Gem. Easily rectifiable, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 If it's a crossfade, that's an editorial choice. Stop finding false defaults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Sorry, it does not crossfade. I used the term incorrectly. It is not a false default, though. The start of Never Quaver begins at the end of Dinner With Gem and carries over into Never Quaver. The beginning of track 15 occurs at the end of track 14 and carries over into track 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 725 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I can definitely confirm the error both on my CD 2 and on the subsequent rip of these tracks. Here's a shot from Audacity of the end of Track 14. As mentioned above, an easy fix which I have just finished. Edit - I did not notice this until it was mentioned above either. I just played straight through a few times and did not hear the track change. But nice to have it fixed. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Has anyone told Intrada yet? This disc needs a repress, no matter how easy to fix the error is. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,799 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Chewy said: Has anyone told Intrada yet? This disc needs a repress, no matter how easy to fix the error is. And replacement discs I might add, for those of us that bought the defective disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 It's not defective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I have a few CDs where the gap between tracks isn't quite in the silent bit - a tad annoying maybe, but easily fixed, especially if you rip a section instead of the tracks individually. Doesn't strike me as a repressing issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,399 Posted August 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2021 Yeah. It should be fixed for the next batch they print but I don't think it's replacement-worthy. Jurassic Shark, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Richard Penna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I'd be almost certain that if you found any score with a largely uninterrupted stretch of score, split over several tracks, one of the split points is going to be less than perfect. As long as it doesn't have a gap within a track itself (i.e. plays in a CD player fine), I really don't see much of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,355 Posted August 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Holko said: Yeah. It should be fixed for the next batch they print but I don't think it's replacement-worthy. I will definitely ask for a replacement if the disc ends up being repressed. Andy, filmmusic, Taikomochi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,934 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 They attempted to deliver my parcel but I am out of the country and won't get back for another two weeks. At least there is something nice waiting for me once I'm back. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Why is it only now that people are going mad about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, crocodile said: They attempted to deliver my parcel but I am out of the country and won't get back for another two weeks. At least there is something nice waiting for me once I'm back. Karol Are you sure it won't be returned because you're not there to receive it? Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,934 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Are you sure it won't be returned because you're not there to receive it? I'll be there in 13 days. They keep it for 18. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 247 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's not defective. It is. It is clearly imperfect, which is the definition of defective as per Google. Nothing major, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 It still plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It still plays. If the stereo channels were swapped, it was amped to 200% and completely distorted, and it played backwards… that statement would still be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 It would be fun to observe the meltdown on JWFan if this came to happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,399 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Pressing plants: Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, crocodile said: They attempted to deliver my parcel but I am out of the country and won't get back for another two weeks. At least there is something nice waiting for me once I'm back. Karol In my country, it you dont claim it in 15 days maximun…it gets returned to the point of origin… edit: i saw your answer about the 18 days, good then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,399 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Here you usually get 5 days max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,382 Posted August 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2021 19 hours ago, Jay said: I never noticed any issues with my rip of the Quartet Basic Instinct. Can you elaborate on that one? The indexes between tracks just seem to be set in very volatile fashion. The usual Intrada or LLL release has the music of each track start at around 500-800 milliseconds. On this particular Quartet release most tracks seem okay, but for example "Beth and Nick" and "Roxy Loses" almost bleed into the previous track (or at least the amplitude starts rising at the end of the previous track. Not ideal, but the only track, where you can clearly hear this issue is "Home Visit", which has its first audible second bleeding into the previous track "Night Life". This easily fixable kind of shit has become a regular thing on releases by Varese Sarabande. I'm just wondering... is it that hard to quickly check, whether the indexes are set in the right place? Jay, Smeltington, Chewy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 hours ago, JohnnyD said: Sorry, it does not crossfade. I used the term incorrectly. It is not a false default, though. The start of Never Quaver begins at the end of Dinner With Gem and carries over into Never Quaver. The beginning of track 15 occurs at the end of track 14 and carries over into track 15. Misplaced index only. We don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 247 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: It still plays. The disc plays fine. The tracks don't. Track 15 isn't complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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