SilverTrumpet 638 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Yeah, I was thinking of this version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Right, and only 1:08-end was used in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 148 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 The thing that baffles me is that there is a whole section of the fight, before "The Great Dual", which in the movie is scored with more Duel of the Fates (including the section that was replaced in the final edit of the official "Duel of the Fates" track), but, as far as I know, Williams didn't write any music for the scene, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 9 hours ago, oierem said: The thing that buffles me is that there is a whole section of the fight, before "The Great Dual", which in the movie is scored with more Duel of the Fates (including the section that was replaced in the final edit of the official "Duel of the Fates" track), but, as far as I know, Williams didn't write any music for the scene, right? Everything was scored. The entire battle from beginning to end. Most of that material ended up being cut though and replaced with DotF. My mistake, I had forgotten that the generator entrance scene was not (that we're aware of). oierem and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 hours ago, oierem said: The thing that buffles me is that there is a whole section of the fight, before "The Great Dual", which in the movie is scored with more Duel of the Fates (including the section that was replaced in the final edit of the official "Duel of the Fates" track), but, as far as I know, Williams didn't write any music for the scene, right? It seems nothing was written or recorded for that, yeah. My best guess is that they intended to track in the end credits all along. @Manakin Skywalker, which music do you think was written for the earlier part of the duel (the part in which they move from the hangar to the big generator room or whatever)? oierem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,221 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Interesting discussion but it makes you wonder if Lucas really meant it when he said that JW contributed whatever proportion of the success of Star Wars given that he faffed around with them prequels music so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: Interesting discussion but it makes you wonder if Lucas really meant it when he said that JW contributed whatever proportion of the success of Star Wars given that he faffed around with them prequels music so much. I think they just realised they had a turkey on their hands in the dying weeks of post-production and panicked, scrambling to re-edit the film into something more exciting. There's some illuminating BTS footage of the first crew screening and everyone looks awkward/embarrassed by what they just watched. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,399 Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 And then did it again two more times. crumbs, Edmilson, ins and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ins 42 Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Holko said: And then did it again two more times. Tiburon, Holko, Manakin Skywalker and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilverTrumpet 638 Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I think they just realised they had a turkey on their hands in the dying weeks of post-production and panicked, scrambling to re-edit the film into something more exciting. There's some illuminating BTS footage of the first crew screening and everyone looks awkward/embarrassed by what they just watched. Manakin Skywalker, Jay and ins 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom Guernsey said: Interesting discussion but it makes you wonder if Lucas really meant it when he said that JW contributed whatever proportion of the success of Star Wars given that he faffed around with them prequels music so much. That's filmmaking for you. It happened in the OT, too. Think of how much of ESB's score was dropped or replaced. And in TPM's case, yeah, they heavily recut the whole end battle after the music was written. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,221 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I think they just realised they had a turkey on their hands in the dying weeks of post-production and panicked, scrambling to re-edit the film into something more exciting. There's some illuminating BTS footage of the first crew screening and everyone looks awkward/embarrassed by what they just watched. Figures... such a shame, as I've said before, JJ and crew should have remade the prequels, not the originals. 3 minutes ago, Datameister said: That's filmmaking for you. It happened in the OT, too. Think of how much of ESB's score was dropped or replaced. And in TPM's case, yeah, they heavily recut the whole end battle after the music was written. Not sure it's nearly as much as for the prequels or sequels though. Of all the films where the filmmakers should appreciate the importance of the music, these are they. 13 minutes ago, ins said: The Rick Berman of Lucasfilm ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,274 Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: Figures... such a shame, as I've said before, JJ and crew should have remade the prequels, not the originals. Well, the sequel trilogy is really just Anakin's story from 1-6 regurgitated and condensed into 3 new films. Tom Guernsey, Edmilson and Tom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Datameister said: @Manakin Skywalker, which music do you think was written for the earlier part of the duel (the part in which they move from the hangar to the big generator room or whatever)? That's my mistake, I could have sworn one of the videos in the restored music thread covered that scene, but apparently not. In that case I'm not sure... maybe they did intend on just editing in portions of DotF (and then George went nuts and decided to use it throughout the entire battle sequence). Or perhaps the less likely scenario that it wasn't going to have music at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,221 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Well, the sequel trilogy is really just Anakin's story from 1-6 regurgitated and condensed into 3 new films. Hah. I guess it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 148 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Datameister said: That's filmmaking for you. It happened in the OT, too. Think of how much of ESB's score was dropped or replaced. And in TPM's case, yeah, they heavily recut the whole end battle after the music was written. Exactly. As music fans, it may be hard for us to accept it, but that's the truth. Filmmakers want (and, in a way, need) to have freedom to edit/change/replace the music as they see fit, same as they edit the performances (which doesn't mean they don't respect the actors!). 6 hours ago, crumbs said: There's some illuminating BTS footage of the first crew screening and everyone looks awkward/embarrassed by what they just watched. That's totally out of context. It's a normal reaction from filmmakers to a screening of a rough cut. It's a work in progress. And they've probably watched each scene a hundred times already - they aren't going to be self-congratulating, they're going to be critical about what they've done and analyzing what they need to improve. That's how artists work. When Lucas first showed Star Wars to his filmmaker friends back in 1977 the reaction was... not good. And we all know how that turned out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 9/16/2021 at 1:35 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: That's my mistake, I could have sworn one of the videos in the restored music thread covered that scene, but apparently not. Your probably thinking of my The Droid Battle Video, which starts with Obi-Wan flipping over to the platform Maul is on and the closeup of Maul blocking the attack. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9UkdUS1FXNUx1eDA/view?pli=1&resourcekey=0-dfQxOnaDrVRoyaZkIYcymg Edit: Aha!! are these what you were thinking of @Manakin Skywalker? 6M4 The Big Army (Redone) 6M4A The Fight Begins (Option 1)Option 2Option 3 https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxQSwI5aPja9N2FuT2JIUzNBOTQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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