James Horner's GLORY (1989) - NEW! 2021 2-CD Expanded Edition from La-La Land Records

[Amer 2,080]

I also asked about the ost but he didn't confirm... Just said wait for 12 days. Lol. 

[Jay 37,319]

There's no doubt in my mind that Disc 1 is a compete score presentation and disc 2 is the original OST album. 

 

The only unknown factor is if the bonus tracks are at the end of disc 1, the end of disc 2, or there are some in both spots, since we don't know how much bonus material there is nor how long the new main program will be.

[Amer 2,080]

I agree. Has to be. That's pretty much the right way to go. This is also good for people new to the music to experience the ost album presentation as an introduction and then move into the expansion. 

 

That's how I chose to play THE EIGER SANCTION which is new to me in every sense. 

[Jay 37,319]

2021 is shaping up to be the year with the most amount of Matessino produced - and the most amount of Bulk produced - titles released

[Amer 2,080]

That's because most of the work was done last year but only got approved this year. It also means it's going to be an expensive year for all of us.. In a good way. 

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

They had said that a great flood was coming... They didn't lie!!!

[Bespin 8,480]

I thought they were talking about climatic changes!

[Kühni 485]

.

[Bespin 8,480]

Vidi.

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

Vici.

[Corellian2019 384]

19 hours ago, NL197 said:

The remaining lyrics (in the main title "A Call to Arms") and the end credits are: 

"Blow The Horn

Play The Fife
Beat The Drum So Slow-ly
Blow The Horn
Play The Fife

Make The Drum-Ming Low-ly"

 

Wow! And here I thought all this time that the choir was singing in Latin

[Amer 2,080]

2 hours ago, Corellian2019 said:

 

Wow! And here I thought all this time that the choir was singing in Latin

For Charging Fort Wagner- that one has Latin lyrics.,

[NL197 368]

Fort Wagner lyrics (12M1R)

 

I tried to break them up based on how they’re sung by the chorus.

 

Re-cor-da-re

 

Tune Dic-tu-rus est

(tune dic-tur us)

 

Om-nes cune-ta Stric-te

 

Dis-cus-sur-us

 

(0:27)

In Quan-tus in

Tre-mer

Fur-us

Quan-do

Ju-dex

Stric-te et Ven-tur-us

(Stric-te)

Est 

 

(0:37)

In Quan-tus

Tre-mor

Fur-us

Cune-ta

Stric-te

Stric-te est Ven-tur-us

(Stric-te)

 

(0:46)

Quan-do

In-dex Est 

Ven-tur-us

Cune-ta Stric-te

Dis-cus-sur-us Om-nes

 

(0:54)

Tu-ba

Mir-um

Spar-gens

Son-um

Per-se

Pul-ere

Re-si-o-ni-num

 

(1:04)

Lib-er Scrip-tus

Pro-fer-e-tur

Con-tin-e Tur

Li-be-ra-me

 

(1:14)

In-dex-er-go

Cum-se-de Bit

Ap-per-e Bit

Nil In Ul

Tum

 

(1:24)

In Quan-tus in

Tre-mor

Fur-us

Quan-do

In-dex Est 

Ven-tur-us Om-nes

 

(1:33)

Est

Na-tur-a

In-cre-tur-a

In-di-can-ti

Res-pon-sur-a

In-dex

 

(1:42)

Est In

Quan-tus

In Fu-tur-us

Stric-te Dis-cus-sur-us

 

(1:53)

Sal-ver-a Me

Li-be-ra Me

Li-be-ra-Me

Et Que Vid

 

(2:03)

Sal-ver-a Me

Li-be-ra Me
Li-be-ra Me 

Om-nes Sid

 

(2:12)

Quan-tus

Tre-mor Est 

Fu-tur-us

Quan-do

Ju-dex Est

Ven-tur-us

 

(2:22)

Cune-ta

Stric-te 

Est Fu-tur-us

Cune-ta Stric-te Dis-cus-sur Us

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Kühni said:

Veni. 

 

14 hours ago, Bespin said:

Vidi.

 

14 hours ago, May the Force be with You said:

Vici.

 

[Kühni 485]

.

[Tallguy 3,380]

@NL197 don't make me miss Person of Interest more than I already do.

[Incanus 5,713]

6 hours ago, NL197 said:

Fort Wagner lyrics (12M1R)

 

I tried to break them up based on how they’re sung by the chorus.

 

Re-cor-da-re

 

Tune Dic-tu-rus est

(tune dic-tur us)

 

Om-nes cune-ta Stric-te

 

Dis-cus-sur-us

 

(0:27)

In Quan-tus in

Tre-mer

Fur-us

Quan-do

Ju-dex

Stric-te et Ven-tur-us

(Stric-te)

Est 

 

(0:37)

In Quan-tus

Tre-mor

Fur-us

Cune-ta

Stric-te

Stric-te est Ven-tur-us

(Stric-te)

 

(0:46)

Quan-do

In-dex Est 

Ven-tur-us

Cune-ta Stric-te

Dis-cus-sur-us Om-nes

 

(0:54)

Tu-ba

Mir-um

Spar-gens

Son-um

Per-se

Pul-ere

Re-si-o-ni-num

 

(1:04)

Lib-er Scrip-tus

Pro-fer-e-tur

Con-tin-e Tur

Li-be-ra-me

 

(1:14)

In-dex-er-go

Cum-se-de Bit

Ap-per-e Bit

Nil In Ul

Tum

 

(1:24)

In Quan-tus in

Tre-mor

Fur-us

Quan-do

In-dex Est 

Ven-tur-us Om-nes

 

(1:33)

Est

Na-tur-a

In-cre-tur-a

In-di-can-ti

Res-pon-sur-a

In-dex

 

(1:42)

Est In

Quan-tus

In Fu-tur-us

Stric-te Dis-cus-sur-us

 

(1:53)

Sal-ver-a Me

Li-be-ra Me

Li-be-ra-Me

Et Que Vid

 

(2:03)

Sal-ver-a Me

Li-be-ra Me
Li-be-ra Me 

Om-nes Sid

 

(2:12)

Quan-tus

Tre-mor Est 

Fu-tur-us

Quan-do

Ju-dex Est

Ven-tur-us

 

(2:22)

Cune-ta

Stric-te 

Est Fu-tur-us

Cune-ta Stric-te Dis-cus-sur Us

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah Horner using the classic Dies Irae lyrics.

DIES irae, dies illa, solvet saeculum in favilla, teste David cum Sibylla.	THAT day of wrath, that dreadful day, shall heaven and earth in ashes lay, as David and the Sybil say.
Quantus tremor est futurus, quando iudex est venturus, cuncta stricte discussurus!	What horror must invade the mind when the approaching Judge shall find and sift the deeds of all mankind!
Tuba mirum spargens sonum per sepulcra regionum, coget omnes ante thronum.	The mighty trumpet's wondrous tone shall rend each tomb's sepulchral stone and summon all before the Throne.
Mors stupebit et natura, cum resurget creatura, iudicanti responsura.	Now death and nature with surprise behold the trembling sinners rise to meet the Judge's searching eyes.
Liber scriptus proferetur, in quo totum continetur, unde mundus iudicetur.	Then shall with universal dread the Book of Consciences be read to judge the lives of all the dead.
Iudex ergo cum sedebit, quidquid latet apparebit: nil inultum remanebit.	For now before the Judge severe all hidden things must plain appear; no crime can pass unpunished here.
Quid sum miser tunc dicturus? quem patronum rogaturus? cum vix iustus sit securus.	O what shall I, so guilty plead? and who for me will intercede? when even Saints shall comfort need?
Rex tremendae maiestatis, qui salvandos salvas gratis, salva me, fons pietatis.	O King of dreadful majesty! grace and mercy You grant free; as Fount of Kindness, save me!
Recordare Iesu pie, quod sum causa tuae viae: ne me perdas illa die.	Recall, dear Jesus, for my sake you did our suffering nature take then do not now my soul forsake!
Quaerens me, sedisti lassus: redemisti crucem passus: tantus labor non sit cassus.	In weariness You sought for me, and suffering upon the tree! let not in vain such labor be.
Iuste iudex ultionis, donum fac remissionis, ante diem rationis.	O Judge of justice, hear, I pray, for pity take my sins away before the dreadful reckoning day.
Ingemisco, tamquam reus: culpa rubet vultus meus: supplicanti parce Deus.	Your gracious face, O Lord, I seek; deep shame and grief are on my cheek; in sighs and tears my sorrows speak.
Qui Mariam absolvisti, et latronem exaudisti, mihi quoque spem dedisti.	You Who did Mary's guilt unbind, and mercy for the robber find, have filled with hope my anxious mind.
Preces meae non sunt dignae: sed tu bonus fac benigne, ne perenni cremer igne.	How worthless are my prayers I know, yet, Lord forbid that I should go into the fires of endless woe.
Inter oves locum praesta, et ab haedis me sequestra, statuens in parte dextera.	Divorced from the accursed band, o make me with Your sheep to stand, as child of grace, at Your right Hand.
Confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis. voca me cum benedictis.	When the doomed can no more flee from the fires of misery with the chosen call me.
Oro supplex et acclinis, cor contritum quasi cinis: gere curam mei finis.	Before You, humbled, Lord, I lie, my heart like ashes, crushed and dry, assist me when I die.
Lacrimosa dies illa, qua resurget ex favilla. iudicandus homo reus: huic ergo parce Deus.	Full of tears and full of dread is that day that wakes the dead, calling all, with solemn blast to be judged for all their past.
Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem. Amen.	Lord, have mercy, Jesus blest, grant them all Your Light and Rest. Amen.

 

 

[Corellian2019 384]

On 9/2/2021 at 4:08 AM, NL197 said:

It was put on YouTube 

 

 

 

Finally saw this in its entirety. Great conversation overall, and even Horner was a big fan of Hook!

[crocodile 7,988]

True, although it us funny when he talks about the necessity of creating something brand new with each score and being uncomfortable about copying concert music. 😂

 

Karol

[Tallguy 3,380]

2 hours ago, crocodile said:

True, although it us funny when he talks about the necessity of creating something brand new with each score and being uncomfortable about copying concert music. 😂

 

Karol

 

It is difficult to grapple with being a Horner fan and then asking "Why didn't the Khachaturian family sue the pants off of him?" Or "He got paid how many times for that piece of music?"

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

A master con man.

[Amer 2,080]

We all know how much 'Charging Fort Wagner' cue sounds so similar to the famous Classcial Piece Carmina Burana and how James Horner ripped it off for GLORY.

But the actually truth is how much he was forced if not influenced by the director to use the piece in the tapestry of the score. In 1992 James Horner did a 1 Hour Master Class Seminar for UCLA students. The entire session is taped and available on youtube. You can see that Horner explain in detail how the whole thing about  the cue came to being and how he saved the film makers from being sued becuase the director were listerally obsessed with the cue. Its a classical case of temp tracking and falling in love with it.

Ive just painstakingly transcribed the entire GLORY segment for you to read and relfect.

The actual discussion starts around 16 minutes.
 

Enjoy:


JAMES HORNER: [In] the last scene of GLORY.. The storming of Fort Wagner in the end, the director had put in temporary music: ‘Carmina Burana’ which most of you all know and is certainly a big classical 'Warhorse' so to speak, its been used everywhere on movies, in concerts. And it’s a very popular piece.

JAMES HORNER: “ He put it in for the sequence and he fell in love with it. He knew he couldn’t get it. He knew he couldn’t license it, he knew he couldn’t have it literally, but he asked me to write it sideways.

JAMES HORNER: And as an composer..

(Class Audience starts Giggling)

JAMES HORNER: …as an artist You say: Right, well, It’s over here ; you start over here. I know what he wants, I know what HE is after. It has to be done with a chorus and orchestra; it has to have a drive. And I would play for him and gradually over the course of the 3 weeks prior to the scoring sessions, he wasn’t happy, he wasn’t happy, he wasn’t happy, he wasn’t happy [indicating the sequences visually] until he was very close to where I was uncomfortable with it legally. That I felt, that he forced me into a position that I could either refuse to do the piece of music or apprise everybody that we had a legal problem and do it anyway. Which I did. But, its a .. when you know how to work the system, I knew this if I got too close to it legally he will be really screwed because he wouldn’t be able to not only use my piece of music that I recorded. He wouldn’t, he still wouldn’t be able to use Carmina Burana. What would happen is that (legally) I‘ll be forced to record a third piece of music for the sequence. And the lawyers would be telling him: you can’t have what you want that James do the score; but legally he has to do this. Okay?. And .. Ed Zwick, the director, left me alone. I did a new sequence that was original music and put it in and he ended it up liking it much better than any of the stuff that we’ve done before.

JAMES HORNER: But we never would have gone to that point unless I forced the issue by actually going legally to close the Carmina Burana or we would be sued by the Estate. All of those things happened. It’s fascinating. Sometimes, sometimes.. directors, you know, put temporary mood.. music in a movie ..and they would fall in love with it. And no composer alive can get him out of that way of thinking. That’s .. how he starts thinking. He edits the movie with that music in it, he dreams about it, he thinks about it, or she thinks about it ..

JAMES HORNER: Then they come to hire the poor composer….

[Class Audience starts laughing]

JAMES HORNER: …and they say: “the slate is clean I don’t have a preconception in my mind” You know.. all it takes is 20 minutes worth of him to find out…”No I don’t like that”, "No I don’t like that, ”No I don’t Like that” “ Well the temporary score we did this and it works very well for me” And you find that all of the directors do that. That’s part of working in Hollywood.

[Tallguy 3,380]

Why was Carmina Burana suddenly difficult to acquire? They let Oliver Stone use it on the Doors!

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

They couldn't find it.

[Amer 2,080]

It's one thing to use an entire piece on its own (and pay the heavy fee) and another to copy as a near clone and call it an original piece. Horner/ company was already stung by legal subpoenas when he used or was forced to use Nino Rota's AMARCORD in HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS back in the 80's. So I guess he smarted up real quick. That's why Take #1 was rejected after careful thought and Horner refashioned another piece while maintaining the same rhythm but rounded it as close to the scores thematic material. The opening/ending crescendos are similar to the piece and the central charge motif with the Latin text is mostly driven by a string motif derived from the score thereby allowing Horner to retain it as his own. 

 

BTW, Bruce Broughton also came close to doing the same for the cue 'Waxing Elizabeth' in YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES. 

 

[Edmilson 7,395]

I'm glad Horner used the piece and made Zwick happy, because this made the director hire him again for... Legends of the Fall!

[Tallguy 3,380]

2 hours ago, Amer said:

It's one thing to use an entire piece on its own (and pay the heavy fee) and another to copy as a near clone and call it an original piece. Horner/ company was already stung by legal subpoenas when he used or was forced to use Nino Rota's AMARCORD in HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS back in the 80's. So I guess he smarted up real quick. That's why Take #1 was rejected after careful thought and Horner refashioned another piece while maintaining the same rhythm but rounded it as close to the scores thematic material. The opening/ending crescendos are similar to the piece and the central charge motif with the Latin text is mostly driven by a string motif derived from the score thereby allowing Horner to retain it as his own. 

 

BTW, Bruce Broughton also came close to doing the same for the cue 'Waxing Elizabeth' in YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES. 

 

 

I don't know how fast the lawsuits came at him, but Honey I Shrunk the Kids was June of 1989 and Glory was December.

 

Also, Horner was saying that they COULDN'T use the piece on its own. Which I find... Questionable?

[Amer 2,080]

That must have been in between. The fact he protested knowing very well that this piece of music was widely known in the public domain he couldn't risk it upon his own name if he went too far. I therefore say he wised up and realized he could still get away occasionally without making it too obvious. Now that's a talent. And as they say or said that a good composer always steals. 

[blondheim 1,157]

5 hours ago, Amer said:

It's one thing to use an entire piece on its own (and pay the heavy fee) and another to copy as a near clone and call it an original piece. Horner/ company was already stung by legal subpoenas when he used or was forced to use Nino Rota's AMARCORD in HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS back in the 80's. So I guess he smarted up real quick. That's why Take #1 was rejected after careful thought and Horner refashioned another piece while maintaining the same rhythm but rounded it as close to the scores thematic material. The opening/ending crescendos are similar to the piece and the central charge motif with the Latin text is mostly driven by a string motif derived from the score thereby allowing Horner to retain it as his own. 

 

BTW, Bruce Broughton also came close to doing the same for the cue 'Waxing Elizabeth' in YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES. 

 

 

Honey I Shrunk the Kids was the same year as Glory, it may have been scored before but I doubt by much more than months. Definitely not long enough for all the legal trouble to be behind him.

[Tallguy 3,380]

20 minutes ago, blondheim said:

 

Honey I Shrunk the Kids was the same year as Glory, it may have been scored before but I doubt by much more than months. Definitely not long enough for all the legal trouble to be behind him.

 

Probably still in front of him! 

[blondheim 1,157]

30 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

 

Probably still in front of him! 

 

Yeah. The Glory conversation does shed an interesting perspective on his relationship with temp-tracking. James Horner was such a fascinating person.

[Amer 2,080]

GLORY: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)
LLLCD 1560
Music by James Horner
Limited Edition of 5000 Units
RETAIL PRICE: $29.98

 

STARTS SHIPPING SEPT 14

 

La-La Land Records, TriStar Pictures and Capitol Records proudly present a limited edition, remastered and expanded 2-CD release of renowned composer James Horner’s (STAR TREK II – THE WRATH OF KHAN, FIELD OF DREAMS, TITANIC) original motion picture score to the classic 1989 Civil War drama starring Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman, and directed by Edward Zwick. One of James Horner’s finest musical achievements, the Grammy® winning GLORY score is a superb demonstration of the composer’s unique ability to strongly communicate the emotional and dramatic core of a film to its audience. This is clearly evident within this special reissue, which showcases his masterwork remastered from the original digital tapes and expanded with previously unreleased music. Disc One features the score presentation and source music, while Disc Two presents the re-mastered 1989 Original Soundtrack Album and additional music.

Produced by Neil S. Bulk and Mike Matessino and mastered by Mike Matessino, this 2-CD release is limited to 5000 units and includes exclusive, in-depth liner notes by writer Jeff Bond and art design by Jim Titus.

 

TRACK LISTING:

 

DISC ONE

 

SCORE PRESENTATION
1. A Call To Arms 3:16
2. After Antietam (Film Version) 2:28
3. Flashback :44
4. Forming The Regiment (Film Version) 3:43
5. Jefferson & Liberty (Full Version) 2:01
6. The Decision / Second Flashback 2:34
7. Lonely Christmas 1:56
8. The Whipping 2:12
9. New Shoes 1:16
10. Worth A Life 1:27
11. The Year Of Jubilee (Film Version) 2:28
12. Burning The Town Of Darien 2:34
13. Our Time 1:52
14. The Battle Of Grimball’s Landing 3:17
15. Promise Me / What Do You Want Of Us? 1:40
16. Brave Words And Deeds 3:11
17. Preparations For Battle (Film Version) 7:40
18. Charging Fort Wagner 2:54
19. An Epitaph To War (Film Version) 2:35
20. Closing Credits (Film Mix) 6:51
Total Score Time: 56:39

SOURCE MUSIC
21. Drei Klavierstücke, DV.946 2:30
22. Jefferson & Liberty 1:00
23. Old 1812 1:14
24. Jefferson & Liberty (Film Mix) 1:23
25. Hoist The Flag 2:18
26. The Sicilian Circle 1:52
27. The Bonnie Blue Flag 1:17
Total Source Music Time: 11:34
Disc One Total Time: 68:47

 

DISC TWO

 

ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK ALBUM
1. A Call To Arms 3:10
2. After Antietam 2:40
3. Lonely Christmas 1:55
4. Forming The Regiment 5:27
5. The Whipping 2:09
6. Burning The Town Of Darien 2:31
7. Brave Words, Braver Deeds 3:10
8. The Year Of Jubilee 2:26
9. Preparations For Battle 7:35
10. Charging Fort Wagner 2:53
11. An Epitaph To War 2:35
12. Closing Credits 6:52

Total Original Soundtrack Album Time: 43:23

 

ADDITIONAL MUSIC
13. A Call To Arms (With Wild Opening) 3:29
13. Flashback (Alternate No. 1) :44
14. Worth A Life (Alternate No. 1) 1:25
15. Flashback (Alternate No. 2) :43
16. Worth A Life (Alternate No. 2) 1:23
17. Charging Fort Wagner (Alternate) 2:55
Total Additional Music Time: 10:39

Disc Two Total Time: 54:13

Two-Disc Total Time: 2:03:00

 

Order yours starting Sept 14th at 12 noon (pst) at www.lalalandrecords.com

 

 

[crocodile 7,988]

Can't wait to hear this!

 

Karol

[Incanus 5,713]

2 hours ago, crocodile said:

Can't wait to hear this!

 

Karol

Ditto!   

[Jay 37,319]

Direct order link and samples!

 

https://lalalandrecords.com/glory-limited-edition-2-cd-set/

[A. A. Ron 1,740]

Ordered!

[Jay 37,319]

Just got goosebumps from that "The Decision / Second Flashback" sample... hot damn

[Dr. Rick 1,155]

Wow, these samples sound amazing!!!  Put it on my birthday / Christmas wish list for my family

[Jay 37,319]

 

https://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords/posts/10160179438883755

[Jay 37,319]

Two new articles up on the James Horner - Film Music website

 

https://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/glory-expanded-edition-our-exclusive-review/

https://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/glory-an-analysis-of-the-complete-score/

 

[Bounty95 558]

The samples sound fantastic! I can't wait to listen to the whole thing. And oh my god, that splash art is beautiful! Jim Titus is a beast. 

[NL197 368]

I smell a restored score coming....Since the music omitted wasn't replaced, it'll be easy to mix it back into the film's audio. 

[Jean-Baptiste Martin 249]

9 hours ago, Jay said:

Two new articles up on the James Horner - Film Music website

 

https://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/glory-expanded-edition-our-exclusive-review/

https://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/glory-an-analysis-of-the-complete-score/

 

@Jay

Thank you for sharing the articles.

Writing and putting them online takes so much time that sometimes I need to do something else before I come here to share the links.

[publicist 4,643]

Ups, there's another Battle on the Ice-clone in The Battle Of Grimball’s Landing. When he fell in love, he fell in love. 

[Ollie 1,059]

Damn didn’t realize when I ordered, Stripes doesn’t ship for another couple of weeks.

 

Oh well. 

[Jay 37,319]

Yea it says Sep 28 right on the page

[mahler3 478]

I’m playing 10 minutes from this beautiful new album on my radio show tonight soon after 7pm (U.K.) 

 

Including the 1st Alternate take of “Worth A Life” and the outstanding End Credits cue.

 

 

[Jay 37,319]

Exciting!  If I am not mistaken, that is about 5 hours from now

[mahler3 478]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Exciting!  If I am not mistaken, that is about 5 hours from now

That’s right! :-)

[Jay 37,319]

I missed the live broadcast - is there an on-demand stream available?

[OneBuckFilms 319]

My copy arrived. Look forward to listening to the score.