Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 No way. Sure his Oscar winning performance in Scent of Woman wasn’t great, but it is impossible to watch Irishman, Angels in America, Charlitos Way, Godfather, Insomnia (and the list goes on and on) and think that he is overrated. He was great in fricking Jack and Jill for heavens sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 To me, Al Pacino always plays the same role: Al Pacino. bruce marshall and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: To me, Al Pacino always plays the same role: Al Pacino. But isn't the Al Pacino role one of the greatest ever written? Who could replace him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 Robert De Niro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Al Pacino never could have played Oskar Schindler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: To me, Al Pacino always plays the same role: Al Pacino. Very similar what I think, when I watch Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp always is Johnny Depp. But I like watching him, usually. Like with Al Overacting Pacino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, AC1 said: Al Pacino never could have played Oskar Schindler. True but it doesn't make of him an overrated actor. I don't think that Brad Pitt could have played Oskar Schindler however he is a freaking good actor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, AC1 said: Al Pacino never could have played Oskar Schindler. That's the litmus test! Al Pacino is the Jeff Goldblum of his generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Like with Al Overacting Pacino. Al Pacino only started to act and behave like he knows he's an iconic actor at a certain point in his career. He didn't overact in the '70s. GerateWohl and Corellian2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: To me, Al Pacino always plays the same role: Al Pacino. He often does, and he does it well. That makes him not the most versatile actor, but that doesn't mean he isn't good. He's great when doing his signature thing (extreme example: The Devil's Advocate), great when he mixes it up (Carlito's Way with a Pureto Rican accent), and sometimes he does a different thing and is also good (The Merchant of Venice). Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 I'm not saying he's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2021 Godfather Part II all by itself grants him a lifetime pass. NOT overrated. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Naïve Old Fart and Nick1Ø66 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Looking for Richard is IMO the movie that shows the best how incredible Al Pacino is: great direction great script great acting One can't be overrated after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I see Pacino's career as being closely parallel to Jack Nicholson's. They did their most interesting work in the 1970s and then, around the start of the new decade, each gave a great, iconic performance with everything turned up to 11; after those, in both of their cases, the subsequent roles feel like varying shades of a well-established persona. De Niro is not entirely dissimilar, but his roles were more varied and his most interesting period lasted a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,436 Posted September 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2021 I prefer Alpa Chino Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Koray Savas and Jurassic Shark 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: Looking for Richard is IMO the movie that shows the best how incredible Al Pacino is: great direction great script great acting One can't be overrated after that I wasn't asking about directing and scripting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I wasn't asking about directing and scripting. That's why there is 3 dots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 He sometimes overacts, but I don't think he's overrated. Too many stellar performances for that. Even recently, I thought he was incredible in The Irishman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: That's why there is 3 dots... So you judge his entire career based on one movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: So you judge his entire career based on one movie? Nope just taking this movie from the 90's as an example for his talent I could also quote The Godfather part. I and II, Serpico, Scarface, Carlito's Way, Heat, The Insider, Insomnia or Ocean's Thirty... Okay maybe not the last one where he's just Al Pacino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: Okay maybe not the last one where he's just Al Pacino That's what I'm saying - he's just played himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Al Pacino is certainly not the most versatil actor because of his too strong attachment to Michael Carleone and Tony Montana who are both Mafioso but that doesn't make of him an overrated actor that's just what I'm saying Denzel Washington, Jack Nicholson, Tom Hanks, Anthony Hopkins, Robert DeNiro, Morgan Freeman, Samuel L. Jackson, Robert Redford, James Stewart, John Wayne, Gene Hackman, Meryl Streep, Katharine Hepburn, Frances McDormand or Emma Stone have often all similar roles but that doesn't make of them overrated actors. They are stars with strong personality so that obviously reflects in their choice of careers and the resemblance of their roles. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I'm not a fan, but generally in a movie, he does his things. I mainly retain his presence in The Godfather, Scent of a Woman and recently in The Irishman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 When given the right material, or challenged by the right director, he can prove his versatility. The Quad Cinema here in NY did a retrospective of his work a few years back, and it was full of roles that even most film buffs were not aware of. He even portrayed an actor with a Cockney accent in the 90s, for crying out loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 @Chen G. thinks he's overrated because he wasn't in Braveheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 No. I love Pacino in a lot of stuff, but I agree with those who say he's not the most versatile of actors. Those performances of his that are quiet, reserved and cameleon-like (The Godfather and its sequel come to mind) are the ones where I feel the director is holding him back. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I wouldn't call him overrated because of that though. Nobody I know praises him as a greatly *versatile* actor, just one who is great at what he does. That sounds about correctly rated to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I don't know what you lot are talking about. Pacino is an amazing actor. And it's selling him a little short to say he doesn't have versatility. He does, but at the same time have doesn't need to have the versatility of Daniel Day Lewis or Meryl Streep to be a great actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 6 hours ago, AC1 said: Al Pacino never could have played Oskar Schindler. Could have Harry Ford played him? He was the original choice, and he himself declined the part, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,418 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 He's incredible in Dog Day Afternoon. But I'm not sure he's overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Godfather Part II all by itself grants him a lifetime pass. NOT overrated. I think, The Godfather Part II as a film is overrated. Naïve Old Fart and Chen G. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I'm probably one of the few people who prefers the chronological "Godfather Saga", which I love, to the individual films, probably because that's the first version of the story I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: I wouldn't call him overrated because of that though. Nobody I know praises him as a greatly *versatile* actor, just one who is great at what he does. That sounds about correctly rated to me. That's fair, but he does have a tendency to overact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 He *was* a great actor. And then he started chewing the scenery more and more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's fair, but he does have a tendency to overact. But he also has a tendency to take on roles where it fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 Not sure about that. Usually, his acting translates into look, I'm Al Pacino, see what I can do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I’m gonna vote yes. I like him and think he’s very good in the right role, but he is often given the top accolades and I don’t consider him a master of the craft. Frank Caliendo does the perfect impersonation. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Perhaps we forgot, but this movie, where he was horribly miscast, almost ended his career: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 4 hours ago, AC1 said: Perhaps we forgot, but this movie, where he was horribly miscast, almost ended his career: I believe he was also in the running for the Han Solo part, and I don't right he was right for that role, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 I'd say he is "perfectly rated" as the brilliant actor he is. He's not my favourite, but his accolades are deserved, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 52 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I believe he was in the running for the Han Solo part, and I don't right he was right for that role, either. Oh yeah that would have been awful. Character actors, or just those with a strong screen presence, are never good for the Luke Skywalker/Harry Potter/Frodo Baggins (and soon to be Paul Atredies) roles. Those roles, which can be tough because they're more reacting to the big events they get swept into, require a kind of blankness (for lack of a better term) in service of the story which you wouldn't get with someone like Pacino, who just has too strong a screen presence for roles like that. And as fun as it would have been to see, Pacino also would have sounded really silly saying George's dialogue, which after all is easier to write than to speak. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Character actors, or just those with a strong screen presence, are never good for the Luke Skywalker/Harry Potter/Frodo Baggins Well, it was for the Han Solo role, which is older and more world-wise and does lend itself a little bit more to "stunt casting" than the callow youth role of a Luke or a Potter, but your point is well-taken. As far as I can tell (and, per usual, unlike what Lucas' hagiographies would suggest) Lucas did want a big name not in the Obi Wan role (Sure, people knew and revered Sir Alec Guinness, but his name wasn't putting butts in seats) but in the Han Solo role: Pacino, Stallone, Burt Reynolds, Kurt Russel, James Caan and Christopher Walken were all considered. It just didn't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Well, it was for the Han Solo role Oh that’s right. Yeah, I could see him more for Solo than Skywalker, but I think the other issues would remain. Either by design or luck, it worked out best for George that three relative unknowns ended up in those roles. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Either by design or luck, it worked out best for George that three relative unknowns ended up in those roles. It did. But, of course, his hagiographies would then present the situation as if he had always wanted unknowns for all the main roles and that Guinness was the requisite "big star" casting. That's just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 4 hours ago, AC1 said: Perhaps we forgot, but this movie, where he was horribly miscast, almost ended his career I kinda like REVOLUTION. It's not exactly the best film ever made, but it has some good production values. The score is brilliant. I'm not sure why, but a part of me is drawn to unsuccessful films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 4, 2021 Author Share Posted September 4, 2021 Coming up: does Al Pacino have a good aspect ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Coming up: Is Dustin Hoffman an overrated actor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted September 4, 2021 Author Share Posted September 4, 2021 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Does he pass the litmus test? Could he have played Oskar Schindler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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