Jay 37,319 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, Thor said: I have to admit the "Duo Concertante" is one of the pieces that I've had the most trouble getting into. It all seems so stark and detached. It was also a shock to the system at the time, because it was the first new Williams piece since INDY 4 (which was already kinda disappointing), and it cemented a different direction in his music that I've yet to come to terms with. But I aim to give it another chance. And another. And another. The Duo Concertante premiered at Tanglewood a year before Indy 4 came out WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Ok, but I only heard it after, on that album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 hours ago, BB-8 said: How old is yoyoma? I though he was younger.. Maybe being 50 or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: How old is yoyoma? I though he was younger.. Maybe being 50 or so... He was 50... then he turned 66. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,319 Posted April 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2022 Every time he hears "I know, but they're all dead", he ages another year Andy, BB-8, igger6 and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Is Yo-Yo getting tired of the anecdote? Ma clearly loves the anecdote. Williams also completes Ma's sentence further into the video. They're like an old couple now. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted April 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2022 15 hours ago, Amer said: Any particular music you were hoping for? I was/am hoping for new cello arrangements of literally anything in Williams' film catalog. I really want—and wanted this to be, or hoped it would be in part—an "Across the Stars" equivalent for cello, basically equivalent to what Yo-Yo did with Morricone's music decades ago. Imagine if Williams did soloist-and-orchestra arrangements of a non-overlapping set of film themes for cello. Here, off the top of my head: Love Theme from Superman Fawkes the Phoenix Love Theme from The Terminal (I can't post more than 50 words on JWFan without those being five of them) Rose's Theme from The Last Jedi Theme from Angela's Ashes The Return from Jane Eyre The Rise of Skywalker Smee's Plan Where Dreams Are Born March of the Villains (why not?) I mean, obviously JW is entitled to sit on his duff, so good for him for doing anything, but this just seems so redundant: updated concerto recorded by the same guy who did it twentysome years ago, along with film pieces that already existed for cello (except maybe two of the Schindler pieces, which will probably be the highlights for me). We should be grateful he's doing anything, but this is basically a skip for me. Tom Guernsey, MaxTheHouseelf, GerateWohl and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,461 Posted April 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2022 50 minutes ago, igger6 said: I was/am hoping for new cello arrangements of literally anything in Williams' film catalog. I really want—and wanted this to be, or hoped it would be in part—an "Across the Stars" equivalent for cello, basically equivalent to what Yo-Yo did with Morricone's music decades ago. Imagine if Williams did soloist-and-orchestra arrangements of a non-overlapping set of film themes for cello. Here, off the top of my head: Love Theme from Superman Fawkes the Phoenix Love Theme from The Terminal (I can't post more than 50 words on JWFan without those being five of them) Rose's Theme from The Last Jedi Theme from Angela's Ashes The Return from Jane Eyre The Rise of Skywalker Smee's Plan Where Dreams Are Born March of the Villains (why not?) I mean, obviously JW is entitled to sit on his duff, so good for him for doing anything, but this just seems so redundant: updated concerto recorded by the same guy who did it twentysome years ago, along with film pieces that already existed for cello (except maybe two of the Schindler pieces, which will probably be the highlights for me). We should be grateful he's doing anything, but this is basically a skip for me. He didn't send enough cookies. thx99, WilliamsStarShip2282 and igger6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pawel P. 738 Posted April 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2022 John Williams: "Yo-Yo Ma is many things. He is one of the world’s greatest cellist; he is a wonderful father; he brings honour to his country. But one thing he is not is Anne-Sophie Mutter". Will, crumbs, GlastoEls and 10 others 1 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt S. 493 Posted April 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2022 12 hours ago, John Chambers said: ‘Elegy for Cello and Orchestra’ is an adaption of material from the ‘Regaining a Son’ track from ‘Seven Years in Tibet’. It’s one of my very favourite JW concert pieces. Yes, I know the original source for "Elegy," but I think the primary theme to Seven Years in Tibet is absolutely gorgeous and I'm just stunned that it seems to have become a forgotten work. MaxTheHouseelf, Steve, Romão and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 590 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Do we know when this was recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 He can say no no to Yo Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve 590 Posted April 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2022 Honestly, can't they get it right? Will, Andy, Chewy and 6 others 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 43 minutes ago, Steve said: Do we know when this was recorded? Last September, judging by the JKMS Instagram post on the first page of this thread Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 590 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Last September, judging by the JKMS Instagram post on the first page of this thread So that means Williams still lives a very private life. I mean nobody knew he would go to NY to records this, with the NY Phil. Which is quite amazing in these social media times. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,477 Posted April 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2022 Matt S., WilliamsStarShip2282 and pete 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve said: So that means Williams still lives a very private life. I mean nobody knew he would go to NY to records this, with the NY Phil. Which is quite amazing in these social media times. Exactly, now we can still dream of a recording sessions in London recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,381 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Steve said: Honestly, can't they get it right? Not very surprising, coming from Sony Classical pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,304 Posted April 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, Chewy said: Not very surprising, coming from Sony Classical They certainly have form! God help us if they ever decide to expand Memoirs of a Geisha by themselves; the album will be filled with guitar solos. Mr. Who, crlbrg, Chewy and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,089 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Guys, as a completist, I'm considering ordering this Sony John Williams Box Set. The Price seems pretty fair. crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Andy said: Guys, as a completist, I'm considering ordering this Sony John Williams Box Set. The Price seems pretty fair. ORDERED! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 01/04/2022 at 6:17 PM, BB-8 said: Crazy that at the time of this video being filmed Williams was already 30 years old. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,640 Posted April 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2022 Williams has lived a very, very long and full life. It really is remarkable, and his career, influence, and legacy of productivity probably will not be fully appreciated for a generation or two. We all love him, but I suspect, down the road, just about all artists will bow to his unprecedented life of achievement. It is hard for me to believe that the artistic icon from my formative years in the late 1980s and 90s is still alive, still productive, and still my icon--(sorry, I got a bit dramatic and emotional there). Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Matt S., Cerebral Cortex and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ludwig 1,120 Posted April 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 01/04/2022 at 8:53 AM, Marian Schedenig said: Just catching up with this now. I have to say, I think Yo-Yo said something very profound about Williams' music in general. We all know that Williams loves those little variations of motives, particularly in his film themes. But what Yo-Yo said is that, in this particular case, they manage to express all the most important emotions he felt in holding his children and grandchildren as babies and wondering what their futures would hold. And it was great that he played the variations then expressed them as human gestures, basically forming a direct connection between music and emotional expressions that seemed to suggest something like tenderness, trepidation, and torment. In any case, I've always wondered how we might actually say in words what Williams' slight variations mean in the context of his themes, and I think Yo-Yo hit the nail on the head. If we apply what he says to Williams' themes in general, we might say that they offer a rich portrayal of their association by showing us different emotional expressions of the same character, situation, place, object, etc. Yet at the same time, Williams shows us only those expressions that are the most important (Yo-Yo's choice of "essentializing" is the perfect word) to understanding what the core nature of that character, situation, place, or object is. That seems to me to sum up a lot about what makes Williams' theme writing so great! Romão, Jurassic Shark, Marian Schedenig and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The panning is kind of intense on the Schindler's List theme. The cello is almost exclusively on the far left. Otherwise, I like it. A small performance, very intimate and very well performed. https://youtu.be/BqxAZoiZnQw MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: The panning is kind of intense on the Schindler's List theme. The cello is almost exclusively on the far left. Otherwise, I like it. A small performance, very intimate and very well performed. https://youtu.be/BqxAZoiZnQw Agreed, a beautiful performance. Regarding the soundstage balance (or whatever the correct terminology is), that unfortunately doesn’t strike me as unusual. Doesn’t Sony always manage to screw up on JW releases one way or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJH132 48 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 01/04/2022 at 7:01 AM, TownerFan said: Reports were saying it was a further revision than the one performed by Yo-Yo and JW in Houston in 2012. The Houston Revision is still my favorite of the three I have heard. I think he gets the opening and finale right, while mostly leaving the center alone (I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2022 Copland had his own "but they're all dead" anecdote that he told over and over in interview after interview. It always follows the same beats: "someone comes up to me after a concert and says Appalachian Spring so wonderfully captures the beauty of the Appalachian Mountains" and then Copland laughs to himself because he knows that when he wrote the music he had no notion of a setting or title, and Martha Graham (the choreographer) came up with the title after he had already given her the completed score. Much like with the Schindler anecdote, if I'm watching an old Copland interview and I sense him starting that story, I'm skipping forward through it A typical example: Bayesian, blondheim and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 10 hours ago, artguy360 said: The panning is kind of intense on the Schindler's List theme. The cello is almost exclusively on the far left. Otherwise, I like it. A small performance, very intimate and very well performed. https://youtu.be/BqxAZoiZnQw From a quick review of the audio, the "panning" is caused by the cello going in and out of phase throughout the recording. The lower-frequency notes of the cello are almost 180 degrees out of phase while the higher-frequency notes are not. Here are two waveform examples of the lower-frequency notes, where you can see that the left channel (upper) is at a positive peak while the right channel (lower) is at a negative trough... Spoiler At around 17.9 seconds into the recording... At around 48.17 seconds into the recording... And here's one example of a higher-frequency cello note where the phase is more in-line between the two channels (peaks match with peaks, troughs match with troughs)... Spoiler At around 1:24.76 into the recording... artguy360 and MaxTheHouseelf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, thx99 said: From a quick review of the audio, the "panning" is caused by the cello going in and out of phase throughout the recording. The lower-frequency notes of the cello are almost 180 degrees out of phase while the higher-frequency notes are not. It does sounds really weird when only the low notes seem to come in from the right. WTF happend there? Is this a problem from the microphone itself? Or caused by other mics i.e. from the violas capturing the same signal? Otherwise it's such a nice recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MaxTheHouseelf said: It does sounds really weird when only the low notes seem to come in from the right. WTF happend there? Is this a problem from the microphone itself? Or caused by other mics i.e. from the violas capturing the same signal? Otherwise it's such a nice recording. I'm guessing that the positions of the mics for Yo Yo Ma (assuming there were 2 mics) caused the phasing issue due their relative distances to the cello. For particular frequencies (lower in this case), the distance between the mics was such that one mic was receiving the peak while the other was receiving the trough. Or perhaps other mics for the orchestra, which were in close proximity to Yo Yo Ma, were contributing to this effect for the same reason. I don't think this is a mixing issue, but we don't have a pure cello portion in this track that would help in identifying if the issue is isolated to Ma's mics. MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 15 hours ago, Tom said: Williams has lived a very, very long and full life. It really is remarkable, and his career, influence, and legacy of productivity probably will not be fully appreciated for a generation or two. We all love him, but I suspect, down the road, just about all artists will bow to his unprecedented life of achievement. It is hard for me to believe that the artistic icon from my formative years in the late 1980s and 90s is still alive, still productive, and still my icon--(sorry, I got a bit dramatic and emotional there). Indeed, the longevity of JW is mind-boggling and really makes me contemplate the passage of time. He got his first Oscar just after my parents were born, and now -- decades later -- I'm scheduled to see him conduct in a couple weeks! Absolutely surreal to contemplate. Tom and Martinland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Stu said: Copland had his own "but they're all dead" anecdote that he told over and over in interview after interview. Nah, that's his equivalent to Williams's anecdote about Leia's theme and now knowing they were siblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 On 01/04/2022 at 3:37 PM, igger6 said: I was/am hoping for new cello arrangements of literally anything in Williams' film catalog. I really want—and wanted this to be, or hoped it would be in part—an "Across the Stars" equivalent for cello, basically equivalent to what Yo-Yo did with Morricone's music decades ago. Imagine if Williams did soloist-and-orchestra arrangements of a non-overlapping set of film themes for cello. Here, off the top of my head: Love Theme from Superman Fawkes the Phoenix Love Theme from The Terminal (I can't post more than 50 words on JWFan without those being five of them) Rose's Theme from The Last Jedi Theme from Angela's Ashes The Return from Jane Eyre The Rise of Skywalker Smee's Plan Where Dreams Are Born March of the Villains (why not?) I mean, obviously JW is entitled to sit on his duff, so good for him for doing anything, but this just seems so redundant: updated concerto recorded by the same guy who did it twentysome years ago, along with film pieces that already existed for cello (except maybe two of the Schindler pieces, which will probably be the highlights for me). We should be grateful he's doing anything, but this is basically a skip for me. Never change, JWFan. eitam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Pre-ordered a "1 disc" edition. Will there be a 2 CD edition too? Perhaps the new and old albums combined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Sony don't seem to understand the concept of milking something, the way DG does. We all know they did jack shit with the Star Wars licence for two decades. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 5 film pieces with cello played by Yo Yo Ma, possibly rearranged beyond the instrument switch, plus Highwood's Ghost, plus a newish Cello Concerto ? Ordered ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, crumbs said: Sony don't seem to understand the concept of milking something, the way DG does. We all know they did jack shit with the Star Wars licence for two decades. Oh, they milked it, by rereleasing the old SE albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 13 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: Never change, JWFan. Guilty as charged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted April 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2022 Front and back of the latest edition of the Musikfreunde magazine, the monthly magazine of the Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde, the association that built the Musikverein (and founded the Singverein choir, among other things; those of you who signed up to get presale tickets for the Williams Vienna concerts are members, but I don't know if they send the magazine to members abroad): GerateWohl, Tom Guernsey and ChrisAfonso 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 They do. I recently received the April one which makes me think that I'll get the May one in few weeks Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: those of you who signed up to get presale tickets for the Williams Vienna concerts are members, but I don't know if they send the magazine to members abroad): They should. First they force foreigners interested in one particular concert into a subscription. Then they should also at least send the magazine to where ever the people live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,262 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Front and back of the latest edition of the Musikfreunde magazine, the monthly magazine of the Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde, the association that built the Musikverein (and founded the Singverein choir, among other things; those of you who signed up to get presale tickets for the Williams Vienna concerts are members, but I don't know if they send the magazine to members abroad): Back in 2020 they did send it for a year. Right now, haven't received any issue yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,640 Posted April 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2022 Not to get too philosophical, but the title of this album really does nail the priorities for "old man" Williams--nothing flashy, nothing pretentious, nothing all that self-serving--none of that crap matters once the pretensions and stupidity of ego and self-importance dwindle as one ages. What remains: Williams, his friends, and music. Bayesian, Jay, Will and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 On 09/04/2022 at 5:38 PM, Marian Schedenig said: "Eine Versammlung von Musikfreunden" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post michael_grig 466 Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 https://open.spotify.com/track/5S9bzAizJAYFvcu4JT0i2z?si=oUoJnzgUTCCK2NQOcsNQpw&utm_source=copy-link thx99, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and pete 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I find this new arrangement of Prayer for Peace... interesting. The performance sounds academic in nature. The duet arrangement lacks the aching pain and beauty of the full orchestral original. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 906 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: IThe duet arrangement lacks the aching pain and beauty of the full orchestral original. I think this might just be my favorite arrangement. I've always liked the solo guitar version on the soundtrack, but this takes that, improves upon it, and adds the cello, which is like tons of extra chocolate sauce. Williams needs to arrange all his themes for guitar and cello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted April 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2022 Amd then he and Yo-Yo could play them together. Once, eitam, pete and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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