Groovygoth666 650 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Hello there, long time lurker (like many), I've been looking around and couldn't find anything here but was wondering if anyone was aware that the German Blu-Ray release of The Rare Breed has an isolated score? At least according to this site - http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=51592 and wanted to know if anyone can confirm it does have the isolated score before I go and buy a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Wow ?! I've never seen this mentioned before! Has this slipped under the radar all this time? The Rare Breed is one of the few scores JW has reportedly vetoed from being released on soundtrack, so if an isolated score is available in DTS-HD stereo on an overseas Bluray, that's newsworthy indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 650 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, crumbs said: Wow ?! I've never seen this mentioned before! Has this slipped under the radar all this time? The Rare Breed is one of the few scores JW has reportedly vetoed from being released on soundtrack, so if an isolated score is available in DTS-HD stereo on an overseas Bluray, that's newsworthy indeed. Yeah in my searching I saw that Roger over at Intrada had said the Rare Breed was vetoed by Williams himself, and there being no news here about an isolated score was a bit of a shock, especially if it is true that it's real 😅. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,321 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 According to a review on amazon.de the additional soundtrack not only contains the score but also all the sound effects, just without the voices. But hey, it's just 6 Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Did a quick search of the forums and couldn't find any mentions of Rare Breed ever having an isolated score released. Question is whether the info is accurate and if it's only on the German region version. Seems weirdly secretive -- not listed on the back cover, not accessible via the menus, only available by changing the audio stream while watching the film. And what source did they use? Was the music stem handy or did they assemble it from scratch from the scoring session tapes? Wasn't Rare Breed one of the scores they found in the vaults and had transferred in high-res, even though JW doesn't want it released currently? Same with Story of a Woman. 18 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: According to a review on amazon.de the additional soundtrack not only contains the score but also all the sound effects, just without the voices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Ordered... 1977 and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,665 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 12:25 AM, GerateWohl said: According to a review on amazon.de the additional soundtrack not only contains the score but also all the sound effects, just without the voices. But hey, it's just 6 Euro. https://www.amazon.de/Rancho-River-Rare-Breed-Blu-ray/dp/B072FHQTXK/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=rare+breed+blu&qid=1633191463&sr=8-1 Quote INTERESTING: There is also a third audio track (can only be set using the remote control), which contains all film sounds including the soundtrack, but no voices. Such audio tracks are probably sent to dubbing studios, for which they prepare the corresponding local synchronization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,453 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Shame that it includes sound effects. Although the old and generous Silva suite still "makes do", I would heartily welcome a separate score release for this, perhaps coupled with THE PLAINSMAN. Love the theme for the Vindicator. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 If this is indeed true this German Blu-ray shall be mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,665 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 I just listened to Silva's suite again - a really nice piece. (although you've got to be kidding to call 8 minutes from a score 'generous'). Is it me, or does it have a slightly Vaughan-Williams vibe to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, Thor said: Although the old and generous Silva suite still "makes do" That was such a wonderful surprise back in the day! I miss those Silva suites... 3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I just listened to Silva's suite again - a really nice piece. (although you've got to be kidding to call 8 minutes from a score 'generous'). It's way longer that 8 minutes... The Rare Breed (Suite)(18:33) 1-11 Universal Emblem / Hilary's Plight / Double Crossed / Tallow Ho 5:30 1-12 Scottish Romeo / The Hunt 2:41 1-13 On His Own 5:59 1-14 The Cross-Breed / End Credits 4:23 https://www.discogs.com/John-Williams-Close-Encounters-The-Essential-John-Williams-Film-Music-Collection/release/8681002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,665 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Oh. This is what I have, from the 40 Years box: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,453 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Yes, that's right. The original suite is almost 20 minutes. Not sure why it's shortened so much for that other release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 43 minutes ago, Thor said: I would heartily welcome a separate score release for this, perhaps coupled with THE PLAINSMAN. Could work, like those Goldsmith at 20th releases from LLL. Seems like Plainsman and Rare Breed would be quite complimentary for such a release. Only problem being Williams doesn't want Rare Breed released for reasons unknown, and presumably Plainsman is in the same boat. Hope Mike can work his magic on this someday. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,453 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Indeed. That damn John Williams! Who does he think he is, preventing us from savouring these gems from his catalogue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 6:25 AM, GerateWohl said: According to a review on amazon.de the additional soundtrack not only contains the score but also all the sound effects, just without the voices. But hey, it's just 6 Euro. Wow, two things for the price of one! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Really the rare breed is a fine Western score as any other, I don't know why Williams would be embarrassed by it. Yavar Moradi and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Perhaps it's the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,321 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 53 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Wow, two things for the price of one! Yes, but it is a little bit like "I like milk and I like beer, but not both in one glas at a time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Perhaps it's the performance. But it was deemed apt for cinema release by a major studio... It's not like it is an private recording of williams playing the piano when he was young and unexperienced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Luke Skywalker said: But it was deemed apt for cinema release by a major studio... Just like Goldsmith's Lionheart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Just like Goldsmith's *insert various scores here*? Fixed Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 What was the original release that contained the Rare Breed suite? There have been so many compilations released over the years with previously released material, I am curious how this was initially presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 248 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 5:25 AM, GerateWohl said: According to a review on amazon.de the additional soundtrack not only contains the score but also all the sound effects, just without the voices. But hey, it's just 6 Euro. So the score is not "isolate" then 🤔. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 22 hours ago, blondheim said: What was the original release that contained the Rare Breed suite? There have been so many compilations released over the years with previously released material, I am curious how this was initially presented. https://www.discogs.com/John-Williams-Close-Encounters-The-Essential-John-Williams-Film-Music-Collection/release/8681002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 The performances are not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 336 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I like this rerecording very much and am glad that it exists. It is not perfect, but it conveys a excellent representation of this soundtrack that is not available otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,665 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 5:27 AM, crumbs said: Question is whether the info is accurate and if it's only on the German region version. Seems weirdly secretive -- not listed on the back cover, not accessible via the menus, only available by changing the audio stream while watching the film. There are a number of isolated scores (or similar features) where I can't for the life of me understand why they're on there. Mostly because either they're in such an inconvenient place, or the score itself is so short or low-key that watching the iso for the whole movie would not be a productive experience. In this case, the German reviewer has a good point - the track here sounds like a dubbing track... could it even have been somehow accidentally included during the process of prepping the German dub? Particularly if there's no reference to it in packaging or menus and it's just 'there'. In terms of benefit, I suppose that if this movie is only stereo or mono where we don't have the luxury of a 5.1 mix to remove the centre channel, this track allows those who like the score to do that process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 650 Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 I do have the rerecordings but having not seen the film don't know how well they represent the whole score, and I do like them just if there's an option for more music I'll always go for that. I hadn't seen the Amazon review that said it was a score and sfx track, it is a weird one that it's not listed as a feature and you have to choose it from the audio options. @aescalle have you had a chance to check this out yet? @crumbs the homer swearing was pretty much on point 😂. @ciarlese yeah that's my bad, the website I linked to only said it was a isolated score, so had no idea that it would have sfx as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Groovygoth666 said: I do have the rerecordings but having not seen the film don't know how well they represent the whole score, and I do like them just if there's an option for more music I'll always go for that. I hadn't seen the Amazon review that said it was a score and sfx track, it is a weird one that it's not listed as a feature and you have to choose it from the audio options. @aescalle have you had a chance to check this out yet? @crumbs the homer swearing was pretty much on point 😂. @ciarlese yeah that's my bad, the website I linked to only said it was a isolated score, so had no idea that it would have sfx as well. Still waiting for my bluray copy. The existing running bootleg with what should be the complete score has a count of 19 tracks. 32 minutes of music for this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 650 Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, aescalle said: Still waiting for my bluray copy. The existing running bootleg with what should be the complete score has a count of 19 tracks. 32 minutes of music for this movie. No worries. That's interesting, not heard of there being a bootleg for this one, but if the complete score is only 32 minutes then the rerecordings will cover pretty much most of it. I wonder if Williams had any say in the rerecording suite, if there's a little over 10 minutes not covered by it why he would not want a label to do a proper release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Groovygoth666 said: No worries. That's interesting, not heard of there being a bootleg for this one, but if the complete score is only 32 minutes then the rerecordings will cover pretty much most of it. I wonder if Williams had any say in the rerecording suite, if there's a little over 10 minutes not covered by it why he would not want a label to do a proper release? Yes it is 14 minutes missing. A lot of JW scores from this period get a short amount of music in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I've just recieved my copy from Amazon.de. I confirm that the German version gets an Isolate stereo track with Music & SFX - No dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Glad to hear it arrived and actually had the right audio track. But how distracting is the SFX compared to the music? Does the music itself sound good? aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Well just recieved it. Didn't really pay attention to it. The music should sound like all the actual international Bluray releases. It is a track for dubbing... so it should be a professional quality (A quality from 1970 ) and should be provided by Universal. The isolate track comes with all the SFX you can hear in the film. Just the dialogues are missing. Each Menus and Bonus galleries have a piece of the Score. I also have the Kino Lober edition. I will check later. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I know next to nothing about the score, what's it like? Evocative of Cowboys in any respect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 It's a very nice Copland-esque Western score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Any theories on why Williams doesn't want it released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 650 Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 Thanks for the info @aescalle, it may not be ideal but at least it's something. @crumbs possibly because it's an earlier score and doesn't feel it's up to the standard he holds now? At least that's the only reason I can think of, same as Sugarland Express and Story of a Woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Given the elements were freshly transferred (but Intrada couldn't release them), it's a shame they didn't take this opportunity to do an isolated score for this film. Same with Story of a Woman when that came out on Bluray a few months back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 650 Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 Agreed, but does John Williams have a say in if a film can have an isolated score? Or would it be more of a courtesy from the studio's to ask? On the one hand it's kind of a comfort to know some of these scores have been transferred recently and probably preserved, but it's a shame that they may not get a release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 I doubt he'd be aware of it. I think Mike has occasionally included session chatter on his isolated scores between cues, which is something JW has strongly resisted on album releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 650 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 Then I guess with know one pushing for it these films miss out on iso scores. I'm pretty sure there's session chatter on Stanley and Iris, even a little bit on one of the Harry Potter recording sessions, which is kind of interesting to hear. It works when watching a film as it fills up the silence between tracks, but Williams also doesn't like much of his source music getting released so it's easy to see why it'd be left off an album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Also the Far and Away vol. 2 boot has a whole cue (End Titles) with some studio chatter with Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,266 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 12:57 AM, Groovygoth666 said: Agreed, but does John Williams have a say in if a film can have an isolated score? Nope! On 12/11/2021 at 12:57 AM, Groovygoth666 said: Or would it be more of a courtesy from the studio's to ask? They could ask out of courtesy if they wanted to, but I doubt any ever bothered On 12/11/2021 at 12:57 AM, Groovygoth666 said: On the one hand it's kind of a comfort to know some of these scores have been transferred recently and probably preserved, but it's a shame that they may not get a release. I'm confident they'll get released someday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 650 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 17/11/2021 at 8:48 PM, Jay said: Nope! They could ask out of courtesy if they wanted to, but I doubt any ever bothered I did think that would be the case, at least on the films that have had isolated scores someone pushed for them, would be nice if there was more interest to do them though. On 17/11/2021 at 8:48 PM, Jay said: I'm confident they'll get released someday Yeah they probably will eventually, although it would be interesting to hear why Williams himself doesn't want certain scores expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 @aescalle Any chance you could provide a breakdown of the score as heard in the isolated track? To the best of my knowledge, details of this new isolated SFX/music track haven't been shared anywhere. Any ideas what the bitrate of the audio track is, or how it sounds generally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 On 21/09/2022 at 2:29 PM, crumbs said: @aescalle Any chance you could provide a breakdown of the score as heard in the isolated track? To the best of my knowledge, details of this new isolated SFX/music track haven't been shared anywhere. Any ideas what the bitrate of the audio track is, or how it sounds generally? Hi, @crumbs , I am quite busy by these days to make a breakdown, but I will share a file if I get some free time to do that! Amer and ConorPower 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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