rpvee 805 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Apologies if this has been clarified already or if we still don’t know, but any idea if the film pieces from Boston’s Symphony Hall will be from the live performances with the audience, or if they were recorded during a proper recording session around the same time? And either way, it’s same to assume the eventual video of those themes would be from the actual concerts, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 492 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Everything will be taken from live performances. Whether there will be applause, etc, is unknown. I imagine the applause will be edited out, but that's just my personal opinion. The CD will be from the Boston Symphony Hall concerts in October. The Blu-ray will be the Concerto and "Across the Stars," from Tanglewood, along with the three film themes recorded in Boston in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 891 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I thought there was a recording session for the concerto? And the new Marion’s Theme version for violin and orchestra hasn’t been performed live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt S. said: Everything will be taken from live performances. Whether there will be applause, etc, is unknown. I imagine the applause will be edited out, but that's just my personal opinion. The CD will be from the Boston Symphony Hall concerts in October. The Blu-ray will be the Concerto and "Across the Stars," from Tanglewood, along with the three film themes recorded in Boston in October. Interesting! I was at the OCTOBER concerts and didn’t see any big cameras. Also, the Sunday concert was free to the general public so it wasn’t necessarily a traditional audience. 7 minutes ago, pete said: I thought there was a recording session for the concerto? And the new Marion’s Theme version for violin and orchestra hasn’t been performed live Marion’s Theme was performed at one of the Boston concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 891 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, rpvee said: Marion’s Theme was performed at one of the Boston concerts. I could be wrong - I’m just going by what I read about the concerts and I don’t recall anyone mentioning it. I thought the announcement of the track list was the first time we knew of this new arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 The main post of this thread has all the answers you guys are looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 891 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jay said: The main post of this thread has all the answers you guys are looking for Thanks! I think I was a little confused by it being described as an update of the previous arrangement rather than a new arrangement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 The new Marion's Theme concert arrangement debuted in 2008 and has been performed live many times. A new ASM version of that concert arrangement debuted in Boston on Saturday October 2nd 2021 and was played again on October 3rd 2021. One of those recordings will be on the CD. Or the CD will contain a unique "album" recording they did with no audience; We don't know yet. The Blu Ray Video will have either the October 2nd or October 3rd performance on it. I hope that explains everything. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 891 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Yes it does. I would just - without having heard it - describe it as a new arrangement due to the addition of the solo violin. That’s how I’d describe the pieces on the Across the Stars CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 15 hours ago, Jay said: The new Marion's Theme concert arrangement debuted in 2008 and has been performed live many times. A new ASM version of that concert arrangement debuted in Boston on Saturday October 2nd 2021 and was played again on October 3rd 2021. One of those recordings will be on the CD. Or the CD will contain a unique "album" recording they did with no audience; We don't know yet. The Blu Ray Video will have either the October 2nd or October 3rd performance on it. I hope that explains everything. I know this is slightly off topic but is there a studio recording of the revised Across the Stars orchestral arrangement JW wrote a few years back, before the new violin arrangement(s)? The version performed by the LSO in their 2018 concert (when JW fell ill). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 I don't remember any new Across The Stars arrangement. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 554 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 On 14/3/2022 at 11:26 AM, crypto said: I know this is slightly off topic but is there a studio recording of the revised Across the Stars orchestral arrangement JW wrote a few years back, before the new violin arrangement(s)? The version performed by the LSO in their 2018 concert (when JW fell ill). That wasn’t played in London? https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dirk-brosse/2018/royal-albert-hall-london-england-1b961908.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post michael_grig 464 Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 Of all the arrangements this is my favorite... Amer, MaxTheHouseelf, ins and 12 others 5 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 wow, thanks for posting that. I also think it's the best Mutter arrangement so far and almost equals the full orchestral version. I wish he'd kept the full ESB Finale somewhere in there though because now it sounds more like a totally new theme "inspired" by the ESB one. Marion's theme retains most of the structure of the movie version. Maybe it's another indication he never liked the original one BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I wonder if this was arranged by Pope as well. BB-8 and igger6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Amazing to hear this in full quality! There’s some background noise that makes me think this was indeed taken from one of the Boston concerts vs. a dedicated recording session. If that’s the case, I’m even more excited for this release since it’ll be the first time a Williams concert I attended gets an official release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,612 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 My goodness that is beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 He should have arranged the original version for violin. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Utterly sublime... easily my favourite of all the ASM arrangements. JW has outdone himself. And something feels more natural about the mix/recording on this one; ASM is better integrated with the orchestra. I found her presence a little overpowering on the Across the Stars album. MaxTheHouseelf and aviazn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,071 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Not yet available outside US and nothing on Spotify as yet. Edit: Finally heard it. It's lovely and really nice. The recording sounds terrific!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 325 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Stunning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,126 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Have to defer to the opinion of others - this is the best of the theme arrangements for violin (so far) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 19 hours ago, Michael G. said: Of all the arrangements this is my favorite... I shed a tear or two... I cannot wait to own this album; the fact that my copy will have been signed by Anne Sophie-Mutter is a plus. Heck, I cannot wait to get the Blu-Ray come August 19. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and michael_grig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 i always love that moment of hearing a glorious sounding recording after being struck on a cell phone bootleg for a while Smeltington and michael_grig 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,612 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 A few days ago, I would have said that Williams could not do a better reworking of piece than Prayer for Peace, and then I hear this. The man is on fire--The Fabelmans and Indy could be something really, really special. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, BrotherSound, Will and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,275 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom said: A few days ago, I would have said that Williams could not do a better reworking of piece than Prayer for Peace, and then I hear this. The man is on fire--The Fabelmans and Indy could be something really, really special. I agree. He's writing some of the best music of his career right now, even if they are new arrangements of existing works. Just imagine what his (potentially) final film score for Steven Spielberg, and his final film score in general, might yield. It's that much more exciting thinking what he could do with the Raiders March, seeing how inspired his revisitations of other works have been. BrotherSound, Taikomochi, Tom and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, King Mark said: i always love that moment of hearing a glorious sounding recording after being struck for a cell phone bootleg for a while I'm surprised they were able to get away with a cell phone recording at a Mutter concert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 is there a newer version of Prayer for Peace than the one on the first album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, King Mark said: is there a newer version of Prayer for Peace than the one on the first album? Yes, he arranged a new version for cello and guitar, released last week. Check the A Gathering of Friends thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 891 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Well that was worth the wait! I think it's been 3.5 - 4 years since we got a glimpse of the sheet music. I'll never understand why Willliams seems to prefer Across the Stars. It's not natural. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,839 Posted April 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 hours ago, crumbs said: I agree. He's writing some of the best music of his career right now, even if they are new arrangements of existing works. Just imagine what his (potentially) final film score for Steven Spielberg, and his final film score in general, might yield. It's that much more exciting thinking what he could do with the Raiders March, seeing how inspired his revisitations of other works have been. The way I see it, JW is in his most refined phase of his career. His mastery of instruments has never been better. At the same time, he has moved away from some of the relative simplicity and directness of his 80s era. The length of his career has produced several distinct artistic phases and I've loved following this journey. michael_grig, crumbs, Andy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 that 1 minute fanfare for solo trumpet got me a bit worried though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 51 minutes ago, King Mark said: that 1 minute fanfare for solo trumpet got me a bit worried though But that one is essentially his version of Stravinsky's "Fanfare for a New Theater". Same purpose, same instrument, same more or less duration and style (although in Williams language). Very strange language and over all style for the opening of something. I would guess he just scribbled it down to make somebody happy. Interesting though, the language of the Stravinsky one is similar to the early concert works John did. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,839 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 56 minutes ago, King Mark said: that 1 minute fanfare for solo trumpet got me a bit worried though Lol, yeah. That's a weird piece. I haven't listened to it much, but thought it was an odd piece when I did. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,612 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 I would say he spent a half a day writing it. It is what it is, but outside of playing taps, a true solo trumpet piece tends be underwhelming by nature. WilliamsStarShip2282 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 396 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Finally got around to listen to this one. My soul has ascended out of my body and achieved nirvana. Jay and michael_grig 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted May 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2022 Andy, Amer, crumbs and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,042 Posted May 6, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2022 I'm so glad this is getting a blu ray video in addition to the album! Will, BrotherSound and Andy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,612 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 That is the most impassioned I have seen Williams conduct in a long time. Will and MaxTheHouseelf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 He has a muse! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I'm so glad this is getting a blu ray video in addition to the album! 1 hour ago, Jay said: He has a muse! Ditto and that muse is beyond mortal reckoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 This is actually my favorite piece John ever wrote, but this arrangement sounded awkward to me, especially the intro. Marion's Theme was a true masterpiece, the best of the collection. I will be curious to see which version makes the album, as the second time he played it he had cut things from the night before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rpvee 805 Posted May 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2022 Ahh, I can see myself a few times!! Can’t believe I’m a small part of an official Williams release! WilliamsStarShip2282, Jay and Amer 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,612 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 hours ago, rpvee said: Ahh, I can see myself a few times!! Can’t believe I’m a small part of an official Williams release! I always assumed that your thumbnail picture, you were the guy without a beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I kind of hope he can also record the 2018 version Also didn't he record HSATP for the first album and it just didn't make the cut? If so why use this new one? WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,839 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Tom said: That is the most impassioned I have seen Williams conduct in a long time. Indeed, JW seems very forceful in his conducting. This new arrangement also has a lot in common with his violin and orchestra arrangement of Across the Stars. Very heavy strings and deep brass, giving the theme a tragic quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I think this theme is one of his best of all times but not Across the Stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,275 Posted May 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, King Mark said: I think this theme is one of his best of all times but not Across the Stars Well Across the Stars was the first love theme in the series, it had to be good! Ludwig, rpvee and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 891 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 hours ago, King Mark said: I kind of hope he can also record the 2018 version Also didn't he record HSATP for the first album and it just didn't make the cut? If so why use this new one? I'm not sure if it was recorded, but an arrangement was made at the time. He sent Ann-Sophie the score for it along with other pieces that were on the album. She received it the same time she received Hegwig's Theme etc. The only reason I can think of as to why it wasn't on the album was because there were already plenty of Star Wars pieces on it - maybe? But by golly, it's better than all the rest! The Witches of Eastwick arrangement was completed too, but left off as she didn't have enough time to master it. Perhaps that's also why Han Solo and the Princess was left off. John just produced too much material! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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