Popular Post 1977 1,743 Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 So thought this might help poor sods like myself that don't have the time to read each post every time a new Williams title is released by a speciality label and then gets a revised repressing due to some issues picked up after the fact. Feel free to post any other titles, issues, corrections or more detail. This is not the place to post "this score release is incomplete because cue ABC was missed" or "the later release by label XYZ includes more music because they found the missing tapes" Goodbye, Mr. Chips (FSM): Issues with playback and ripping on the last few tracks on CD1 and CD3 - corrected on later pressings SpaceCamp (Intrada) 1st release Special collection - not the re-issue with different artwork: One track has a small glitch and there was an issue with the numbering of the release on the back inlay paper insert - corrected on later pressings Jurassic Park (LLL): Booklet front art missing teeth on T-rex skeleton profile due to hidden layers - corrected on later printings Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (LLL): Some tracks have tailed off high frequencies due to master issues - corrected on later pressings Schindler's List (LLL): Some tracks have tailed off high frequencies due to master issues - corrected on later pressings A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 20th Anniversary (LLL): Some alternate tracks and source music tracks that did not appear on the original expansion were included on early pressings of the 20th Anniversay edition - corrected on later pressings The Eiger Sanction (Intrada): Due to an incorrect index placement on disc two, one cues starts a few seconds into the end of a track on the CD, playback on players is unaffected but when direct skipping to playback of the track the first few seconds are cut off, also ripping is affected - corrected on later pressings Chewy, Taikomochi, Bespin and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 The Eiger Sanction's first pressing had an index incorrectly placed on disc 2 that was fixed on later pressings (and they offered free replacement discs to anyone who bought the first pressing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 Was still busy editing my post when you posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 65 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 On 18/10/2021 at 3:23 PM, JTWfan77 said: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (LLL): Some tracks have tailed off high frequencies due to master issues - corrected on later pressings Schindler's List (LLL): Some tracks have tailed off high frequencies due to master issues - corrected on later pressings Never heard of these high frequencies issues before. How can I find out which version I have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, E-Wan said: Never heard of these high frequencies issues before. How can I find out which version I have? That's what I'd like to know. @anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The initial pressings of Azkaban look like this The fixed pressing looks like this I'd expect something similar for Schindler TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 If JWfans can pick these issues up so easily surely MM and LLL can too BEFORE pressing the physical discs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I can understand the issues with PoA not getting picked up, since there really does seem to be no way to hear it. SL, though… It doesn’t sound good to me. Very audibly compressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 I'll have to get the 4 CD sessions boot it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,376 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: SL, though… It doesn’t sound good to me. Very audibly compressed. Yes, this is really the one for which they need to offer replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 For the HP boxset, we had corrected FLAC files available for the users of this forum and made by MM himself. Happy to be a member of JWfan! For Schindler's List, I'm less concerned, but I would be happy to get the lossless files too. It remembers me that my CD collection will worth nothing in few years. Thanks for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo 54 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Bespin said: For the HP boxset, we had corrected FLAC files available for the users of this forum and made by MM himself. So how would these files currently be found for those of us that were aware of the issue but unaware of the corrected files existing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Well, tell us the password! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 117 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I didn't realise Prisoner of Azkaban and Schindler's List had corrected pressings - any idea if La-La Land Records can still send out replacements for those of us who purchased the initial releases? TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 They don't have "real" issues. It's just kind of mental illness shared by some members of this forum. After all, we just want all the frequencies for all the money we spend! Remember that many people on this form only listen to LPs and they think they have a better sound... Enjoy the music... crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Quppa said: I didn't realise Prisoner of Azkaban and Schindler's List had corrected pressings - any idea if La-La Land Records can still send out replacements for those of us who purchased the initial releases? LLL has never sent out replacement discs for either of these albums, at least not yet. Quppa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2021 I don’t listen to LP’s because I can’t hear the difference. I can hear how bad Schindler’s List sounds. It’s not mental illness, and it’s insulting to suggest otherwise. Holko, Chewy, HunterTech and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Turbo said: So how would these files currently be found for those of us that were aware of the issue but unaware of the corrected files existing? Check your inbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo 54 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said: Check your inbox. Checked. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricard 2,242 Posted October 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2021 7 hours ago, Bespin said: They don't have "real" issues. It's just kind of mental illness shared by some members of this forum. Remember that many people on this form only listen to LPs and they think they have a better sound... I don't think anyone listens to LPs only. 7 hours ago, Taikomochi said: It’s not mental illness, and it’s insulting to suggest otherwise. Indeed. Florian, A. A. Ron, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I think that he wrote that in an ironic way...like that's what the label managers think about these issues... And I think he was including himself in the group, anyway... Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 14 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Check your inbox. May I please check mine too? 7 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: I think that he wrote that in an ironic way...like that's what the label managers think about these issues... They think we're all psychos, especially MV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Quote Quote Dear MV Do you still have any Jurassic Park booklets available with dentures? Are you able to provide replacements for the 2nd disc of Schindler's List that had sound issues on the 1st pressing? Many thanks No And I don't recall any issues MV https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=118900&forumID=1&archive=0 Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 LOL. It's official. He thinks we're psychos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 248 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 15 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Check your inbox. Any chance for my inbox to get any similar surprise by any chance please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 20 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: If JWfans can pick these issues up so easily surely MM and LLL can too BEFORE pressing the physical discs? They don't have software to look at frequency spectrums. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Well MV can think what he wants, but there sure seems to be a demand for these tracks on this forum at least. Chewy and AJM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,376 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, Jay said: And I don't recall any issues MV What a joke. Should we tell him everything then? Probably not worth it, he's gonna ignore it anyway, like our emails, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Eh, I have the corrected tracks now and I've revised my edits of both scores accordingly. Feels like a pretty happy ending, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,376 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: Eh, I have the corrected tracks now and I've revised my edits of both scores accordingly. Feels like a pretty happy ending, all things considered. Yeah I guess, but I'd just prefer them saying "No we can't replace your discs" instead of completely ignoring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 "When I pay for an expanded release, I pay for the frequencies I CAN hear AND for those I CAN'T. Isn't that the principle of LOSSLESS? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Wasn't there some issue with the War of the Worlds expansion - either that one of the discs were scratched or that the last track was difficult to rip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Urban legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Wasn't there some issue with the War of the Worlds expansion - either that one of the discs were scratched or that the last track was difficult to rip? Yeah someone said they were having difficulty over at FSM. My discs ripped ok though. Chewy and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said: Well MV can think what he wants, but there sure seems to be a demand for these tracks on this forum at least. I like MV's refreshing honesty with these matters, as it's pretty clear what he thinks. I don't mean to excuse the labels from any and all mistakes, but can you imagine toiling away at releases, only to have a fan forum demand you spend precious funds re-pressing some CDs because somewhere along the line, a producer used elements that happened to lack frequencies that no one can hear? I had trouble ripping one track from Intrada's Alive (had a gap in the middle of it), then I just tried a different ripper program; problem solved. I swear that's criteria for someone, somewhere to demand a repressing, because they imagine it must indicate a flaw in the disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,376 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: a producer used elements that happened to lack frequencies that no one can hear? Again, the problem is that we can hear those defects on Schindler's List. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 But do we not hear those defects on the corrected discs with a wider frequency spectrum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Listening to music is overrated, now we watch the spectrum of the WAVs instead. So many beautiful colors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2021 Where my head goes every time I see this thread's title: Faleel, Bespin, A. A. Ron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positivatee 327 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chewy said: Again, the problem is that we can hear those defects on Schindler's List. In Schindler's List, the defects have red tone color so they stand out better. Ricard and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,376 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: But do we not hear those defects on the corrected discs with a wider frequency spectrum? Fixed tracks sound great. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Chewy said: Fixed tracks sound great. How does the defects on the early pressings sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The defect tracks sounds defective. I'm afraid you slow down the group! Smeltington and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2021 It’s difficult to describe how defects sound, but, to me, there’s this “swishy” quality to it. Almost reminds me of the sound of running water a bit. Maybe someone can describe this better… I can certainly hear it in the first pressing, and I certainly cannot hear it in the revised tracks. Jurassic Shark, JTN and Florian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 248 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I like MV's refreshing honesty with these matters, as it's pretty clear what he thinks. I don't mean to excuse the labels from any and all mistakes, but can you imagine toiling away at releases, only to have a fan forum demand you spend precious funds re-pressing some CDs because somewhere along the line, a producer used elements that happened to lack frequencies that no one can hear? Audio-CDs need to fulfill certain requirements. Cutting off some frequencies which are supposed to be there (and by the way, are audible indeed) makes them not audio-CDs. 2 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I had trouble ripping one track from Intrada's Alive (had a gap in the middle of it), then I just tried a different ripper program; problem solved. I swear that's criteria for someone, somewhere to demand a repressing, because they imagine it must indicate a flaw in the disc. Not being able to rip a CD is not a prove of a defect of a CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Bah, schinders list is going to have a more complete release in the future….so lets hope they do it correctly next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 11 hours ago, ciarlese said: Audio-CDs need to fulfill certain requirements. Cutting off some frequencies which are supposed to be there (and by the way, are audible indeed) makes them not audio-CDs. The audio CD format only specifies the maximum frequency possible. You can cut off the frequencies at 10kHz and still call it an audio CD (as they did for the RotJ SE...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Yesss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 19/10/2021 at 10:30 PM, Jay said: The initial pressings of Azkaban look like this The fixed pressing looks like this I'd expect something similar for Schindler So it's just the first 15 minutes of CD 1 that's affected then, unless I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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