Who do you want to score Obi-Wan Kenobi? (2022, Disney+)

[Jurassic Shark 12,073]

1 hour ago, SilverTrumpet said:

 

Doesn't he not even do his own orchestration?

 

I guess that's the problem.

 

1 hour ago, Richard Penna said:

 

Thing is, you're comparing a concert arrangement, with no limitations in instrumentation, conforming to scenes, or anything like that (essentially Wiliams writing literally whatever he wanted for 4 minutes), to Powell scoring a scene with specific requirements and instructions from the director.

 

Well, a lot of what JW writes has concert arrangement qualities.

[crocodile 8,012]

Wasn't Meet Han based primarily on John Williams' sketch anyway? 🤔

 

Karol

[bored 309]

Not really interested in Giacchino's take on Star Wars music in the least. I liked Powell's work a lot in Solo, and was a nice breath of fresh air feeling far more stylized than all of the other recent Star Wars scores, mixed with high quality Williams-like work (with a few painful misuses of Luke's theme but that's nothing new).

 

Doesn't mean I necessarily want Powell for everything though. I wouldn't mind him for the Obi-Wan show, but I also would be interested in some of the video game composers getting a shot at a show or movie, such as Stephen Barton and/or Gordy Haab. As long as it's not the snore-fest of Ludwig Göransson again. 

[GerateWohl 4,365]

2 hours ago, crocodile said:

Wasn't Meet Han based primarily on John Williams' sketch anyway? 🤔

 

Karol

Yes. That's my point.

It is like saying "Isn't Da Vinci's Mona Lisa and this picture based on the same scetch anyway?"

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,073]

Whoa! You better get that framed and insured.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Look, my personal opinion about powells music is wrong and byased as much as giacchino haters opinions, to me and other giacchino fans. 
 

i generalised describing powells music, but i have been years reading generalised descriptions of giachinos music in the same way.

sorry but today i didnt want to hold back, and actually tried to express my opinion in this matter… 

 

i just dont see the appeal in non williams style star wars scores… mandalorian theme took a while but in the end i liked it though, but the techno beats and craps in action cues (mandalorians assault on gideons ship, swoop bike chase in book of boba…)…yikes.

 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

John Williams 

[Jay 37,355]

6 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

I find the dragon scores overbearing, and completely forgetable. I dont remember the main theme at all.

 

Would you be willing to listen to this 2 1/2 minute track and tell us what you think about it, and only it, not anything else about the score as a whole?

 

 

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

I have endured the three films. That was enough

 

ok i’ll humour you:

 

typical stereotypical celtic vibes with a power anthem overlay. There may be a nice tune there… but the modern approach to a medieval setting is wrong

[Jay 37,355]

Please?

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

Please?

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[Jay 37,355]

Thanks for taking the time to listen and sharing your opinion!

[HunterTech 994]

20 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

Yes. That's my point.

It is like saying "Isn't Da Vinci's Mona Lisa and this picture based on the same scetch anyway?"

 

Except that's not what he means by that. Meet Han is a cue that actually was primarily written by Williams, with Powell simply filling in some of the gaps. Not the only one as well, in case you ever look into the proper threads dedicated to Solo's music.

[Jurassic Shark 12,073]

1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said:

John Williams 

 

Correct answer!

[Richard Penna 3,687]

1 hour ago, HunterTech said:

 

Except that's not what he means by that. Meet Han is a cue that actually was primarily written by Williams, with Powell simply filling in some of the gaps. Not the only one as well, in case you ever look into the proper threads dedicated to Solo's music.

 

This highlights why JWFan is so amusing a lot of the time - people deciding whether they like a cue based on whether John Williams composed it, and if someone else wrote it, there's no way it has the depth of complexity of Williams. What on earth is it that people get out of putting other composers down?

 

[GerateWohl 4,365]

31 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

This highlights why JWFan is so amusing a lot of the time - people deciding whether they like a cue based on whether John Williams composed it, and if someone else wrote it, there's no way it has the depth of complexity of Williams. What on earth is it that people get out of putting other composers down?

 

This comment highlights why discussions on the internet can least to shit storms with people who have hardly time to check out longer than 30 seconds to really dive into a discussion and have therefore a tendency to generalisation and simplification (what else could you do in 30 seconds) but still want to contribute and still make a point.

2 hours ago, HunterTech said:

 

Except that's not what he means by that. Meet Han is a cue that actually was primarily written by Williams, with Powell simply filling in some of the gaps. Not the only one as well, in case you ever look into the proper threads dedicated to Solo's music.

I guess one of the gaps was the very beginning, which is the section that I am referring to with the synthetic Drums. Or do you really want to tell me that Williams arranged that part? So, Williams told Powel to so his thing, but then he adapted Powel's style? Very unlikely.

[mrbellamy 6,286]

2 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

This highlights why JWFan is so amusing a lot of the time - people deciding whether they like a cue based on whether John Williams composed it, and if someone else wrote it, there's no way it has the depth of complexity of Williams. What on earth is it that people get out of putting other composers down?

 

 

I feel like I've seen you post this comment more than I've actually seen JWFan doing what you describe...

[leeallen01 2,136]

Andrew Cottee hands down. Complete unknown that has proven he has the emotional chops and damn does he ever have the melodic action chops

 

 

 

[mstrox 6,651]

I generally like Powell but I’m with @Luke Skywalkerre: the dragons.  Based on the OSTs and the DE, I can appreciate what he was doing here, but it’s definitely not for me.

[John F 100]

Said it before and I’ll say it again… Gordy Haab needs a series to score!

[Manakin Skywalker 4,892]

3 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

Andrew Cottee hands down. Complete unknown that has proven he has the emotional chops and damn does he ever have the melodic action chops

 

 

 

 

Debney, McNeely and Cottee are all fantastic composers that would fit right in the Star Wars musical landscape (well McNeely already has! )

[Thor 7,503]

Obviously, there are a great many who can do the Williams pastiche well. I wouldn't be opposed to any of them.

 

But it would be more interesting to have a composer who's good at orchestral music, but also with a more original voice. With someone like Goldenthal out of the picture, I'd love to hear a Max Richter STAR WARS score, for example. He would definitely capture the Force/spiritual aspect of Obi-Wan very well.

[GerateWohl 4,365]

53 minutes ago, Thor said:

I'd love to hear a Max Richter STAR WARS score, for example. He would definitely capture the Force/spiritual aspect of Obi-Wan very well.

Please leave out the minimalists out here.

[JNHFan2000 2,961]

I agree we don't really need someone who can imitate Williams.

We need someone who can write a strong orchestral thematic score with his/hers own voice. It still has to fit in with the Star Wars Universe.

 

But I also agree that I don't want to see Richter doing it

[GerateWohl 4,365]

If you really want a new age score, ask Jean-Michel Jarre.

 

 

Too bad, his father passed away. Imagine a Star Wars score from the guy who wrote Lawrence of Arabia. And Mad Max III.

 

[crocodile 8,012]

I wouldn't mind having someone like Rob Simonsen giving it a shot. His robust adaptation of Elmer Bernstein's Ghostbusters material feel very Silvestri/Williams/Broughton at times. Like this action cue for example:

 

 

Karol

[GerateWohl 4,365]

Bruce Broughton also might not be a bad choice. Recently, Iistened to his Lost in Space score which was quite Williams pastiche. But I also understand why people don't want something like this and ask for a strong own voice.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Broughton would be a dream come true, but it would never ever happen.

[Jurassic Shark 12,073]

Copland should do it.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Copland should do it.

 

I'll do the transcribing!  It'll be a slow process, but worth it

 

[Thor 7,503]

2 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Please leave out the minimalists out here.

 

He's not really a minimalist. More in the territory of post-minimalist romanticism. Abel Korzeniowski is another great example of the same sound -- he can do big, boisterous things if called for (METROPOLIS, COPERNICUS STAR, ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW), but also lovely, intimate stuff like A SINGLE MAN and W.E. And he has his own unique voice that separates him from the Broughtons, McNeelys and Debneys of this world.

 

Someone in that territory would be brilliant. But won't happen, alas.

[Jurassic Shark 12,073]

6 minutes ago, Thor said:

He's not really a minimalist.

 

Indeed, he's just lazy.

[crumbs 14,313]

Minimalists are just lazy artists!

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

Bill Brown!

 

 

[GerateWohl 4,365]

41 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

He's not really a minimalist. More in the territory of post-minimalist romanticism. Abel Korzeniowski is another great example of the same sound -- he can do big, boisterous things if called for (METROPOLIS, COPERNICUS STAR, ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW), but also lovely, intimate stuff like A SINGLE MAN and W.E. And he has his own unique voice that separates him from the Broughtons, McNeelys and Debneys of this world.

 

Someone in that territory would be brilliant. But won't happen, alas.

From Korzeniowski I just know his more chamber music like, romantic scores like A Single Man, W.E. and Penny Dreadfull. I like these for what they are, but I am not sure if it would work in a show like that. But probably you are right. A score like for example a mixture of Dario Marianelli's "The Darkest Hour" and his "Bumble Bee" score could be great for something like that show.

But might all be a little too dreamy after all.

 

But I still would love that compared to another Görannson soundscape.

[Thor 7,503]

9 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

 A score like for example a mixture of Dario Marianelli's "The Darkest Hour" and his "Bumble Bee" score could be great for something like that show.

 

Marianelli would fall in the same category, but hasn't really been inspired (or inspiring) for a decade now, IMO. So I wouldn't place my bet on him.

 

As for Korzeniowski, check out the titles I mentioned earlier for a bolder expression.

[GerateWohl 4,365]

27 minutes ago, Thor said:

Marianelli would fall in the same category, but hasn't really been inspired (or inspiring) for a decade now, IMO. So I wouldn't place my bet on him.

With that I disagree. "Darkest Hour" is great in my oppinion.

[crocodile 8,012]

The Boxtrolls and Kubo were both good to great.

 

Karol

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

Marianelli would fall in the same category, but hasn't really been inspired (or inspiring) for a decade now

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,073]

Marianelli's lockdown bear-d.

[Thor 7,503]

Sorry, haven't really enjoyed anything of his since 2012.

[leeallen01 2,136]

Bear Mccreary perhaps. Proven great at a combination of the spiritual side and orchestral action.

 

Who doesn't want to hear a nine minute Taiko Drum sequence as Obi-Wan treks across the Tattooine desert battling enemies. 

[saulocf 79]

5 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

Bear Mccreary perhaps. Proven great at a combination of the spiritual side and orchestral action.

 

Who doesn't want to hear a nine minute Taiko Drum sequence as Obi-Wan treks across the Tattooine desert battling enemies. 

That for sure would be a great score. Doubt it will be him unfortunately.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

23 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

 

Paddington should score Kenobi

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Star Wars could use a lot more marmalade.  Although maybe Boba carries a marmalade sandwich in his helmet

[Jay 37,355]

I really need to see those Paddington movies

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Especially 2, one of those rare instances (especially for family films) where the sequel is better than the original.

[Richard Penna 3,687]

Yep, both movies are really fun - well worth seeing. The music is not entirely my thing but has its moments.

[Stark 312]

While he isn’t my first choice, if I ever had to pick a Star Wars project for Marco Beltrami to score, it would probably be this one.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,892]

Not particularly telling, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but the only musician listed on IMDB so far is a double bassist names Roger Linley, who is a London musician who previously worked on Solo: A Star Wars Story and Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. So it appears this score is being recorded in London, possibly with the LSO, or at the very least probably at Abbey Road.