Jay 37,290 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Quote [48 Hrs] is a reissue, but from newly transferred elements at a higher bit rate to reveal more details in the recording http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8833 Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Damn…. Two horners…. No willow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted January 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2022 Don't worry so far 100% of the speciality label announcement are Horner's. After Goldsmith's year here come Horner Smeltington, Edmilson, crocodile and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 Yes please! blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 My favorite Horner score! I'll be double-dipping, but just going by the description, it's unclear if the old elements were newly transferred at a higher bit rate, or if new elements were transferred...or if it will finally include the film version of "Subway Station" bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Wasn't this a poprock score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 310 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I’m not familiar with these scores, what kind of Horner music is this? Are these full-blown Commando madness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 No, not as big as that https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH9C08qrQ7S5PHX2VdveOWsJ0o8Q592WD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 310 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Ah, maybe closer to Patriot Games from a quick sampling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Stark said: Ah, maybe closer to Patriot Games from a quick sampling. With respect to Jay, the samples come from the muffled-sounding bootleg, not the first Intrada release. Here are some alternatives: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 Doug's Corner indicates this is pushed back to the 18th http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8835 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F 100 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Huh that link only brings you to the post a week ago… hope they are still on for tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 The post from Doug I linked to is dated Jan 6 Which is after Roger's post from Jan 2 which said the 11th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F 100 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Ahhh thanks Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Looking forward to checking out the clips. Thanks guys!😁 On 03/01/2022 at 1:02 PM, Corellian2019 said: . will it will finally include the film version of "Subway Station" Appears to be the case😊 Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 Roger says Quote INTRADA Announces: 48 HRS. Composed and Conducted by James Horner Songs by The Busboys INTRADA ISC 472 To coincide with the premiere release of the expanded James Horner score for Another 48 HRS., Intrada presents a reissue of its earlier release to Horner's score to 48 HRS. The soundtrack to the 1982 Paramount film featured one of Horner’s most sought-after works until it was premiered by Intrada in 2011. Although the film is sparingly spotted, when Horner does enter the fray it is with broad, bold strokes that anchor the action and emotions—especially for the unquiet atmosphere of the mean streets and back alleys of San Francisco. While Horner uses a large orchestra, complemented by extra percussion and keyboards, he does not use trumpets and French horns, leaving only trombones and tuba to carry the weight of the brass. In addition, he keeps them in their lower registers and has them almost exclusively playing in unison or octaves. The resulting low brass timbre is thick, dark-edged and punchy throughout. It's an eclectic ensemble—a progressive fusion of funk-tinged jazz and orchestral elements. The many-layered theme, as first heard in “Main Title,” immediately lays down a gritty urban tone using bass guitar and scattered percussion, with subtle accents provided by piano, harmonica and electronics. James Horner contributed just under a half hour of orchestral scoring. The other primary musical ingredient in the picture was a quartet of original songs performed by The BusBoys. For their work on 48 Hrs., James Horner and The BusBoys jointly won the “Best Music/Score” award from the Los Angeles Film Critics Association. It is therefore fitting that the songs appear alongside the score on this release. For this new release, Intrada rebuilt the program using newly transferred high-resolution elements from Paramount, discovering one extra track and a few alternates along the way. This new master punches up the detail of the recording and allows for more prominence of the signature sax sound. One note -- the track "The Walden Hotel" on the original release repeated an insert recorded for the cue. For this release that duplication has been removed and astute listeners may note the track runs slightly shorter due to its appropriate omission. 48 Hrs. stars Nick Nolte as the gravel-voiced, rough-edged San Francisco cop Jack Cates; and Eddie Murphy as streetwise con Reggie Hammond, whose link to an escaped cop-killer inspires Cates to spring him from the pen for a 48-hour manhunt. Naturally, the pair dislikes and mistrusts one another, and their verbal and physical back-and-forth—even as a fraternal bond slowly forms—supplies the brunt of the story’s appeal. INTRADA ISC 472 Retail Price: $19.99 Barcode: 720258547200 SHIPS WEEK OF 1/18 For track listing and sound samples, please visit https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12528/.f Doug says Quote James Horner Label: Intrada Special Collection Volume ISC 472 Film Date: 1982 Album Date: 2021 Time: 58:45 Tracks: 18 Price: $19.99 Starts Shipping 01/18/2022 Remastered reissue of iconic 1980’s action score! Hit film brought super-stardom to Eddie Murphy as convict released from prison for 48 hours to assist detective Nick Nolte in pursuit of violent criminals James Remar, Sonny Landham. Frank McRae, Annette O’Toole also feature. Walter Hill directs, Roger Spottiswood scripts with Hill & Larry Gross and Steven E. De Souza, Paramount Pictures presents tough action picture with comic touches in 1982. James Horner introduces dynamic action vernacular that became one of his signatures: Solid rhythmic foundation, pulsating tempo, unison low tuba and trombone writing in octaves without harmony offering powerful weight to the action. Also adding to the musical proceedings are four punchy original songs by The BusBoys, including signature end title, “(The Boys Are) Back In Town”. Music remained unreleased, with audience demand being high, until Intrada premiered it in 2011. New 2022 release is presented from all-new hi-res transfers of original Dan Wallin stereo mixes, offering superior audio. New master elements also allow for premiere of Horner’s never-before-heard and unused, leaner take on the familiar “Main Title” which removes descending electronics, emphasizes clarity in rhythmic activity. Also premiering are a handful of additional score alternates plus session keyboardist Ralph Grierson’s “Saratoga Blues” source cue. Finally, one editorial “pick-up” made by Horner and recorded at the scoring sessions was accidentally duplicated with “The Walden Hotel” cue on the 2011 release - this music is now correctly presented. Slightly revised packaging by Kay Marshall adds impact. Orchestrations by Greig McRitchie, James Horner composes, conducts. Intrada Special Collection CD available while quantities and interest remain! TRACK LIST 01. Main Title (5:13) 02. Jack Leaves Elaine’s Apartment (1:09) 03. The Walden Hotel (3:29) 04. Aerobics (4:11) 05. Snippets/Heavy Traffic (3:10) 06. Subway Station (2:54) 07. Subway Chase (1:51) 08. Luther’s Bus (1:57) 09. The Alley (5:27) 10. (The Boys Are) Back In Town (The BusBoys) (2:35) 11. 48 HRS. (The BusBoys) (3:13) 12. Love Songs Are For Crazies (The BusBoys) (3:44) 13. New Shoes (The BusBoys) (3:32) 14. Main Title (Alternate) (5:12) 15. Subway Station (Alternate) (2:55) 16. Luther’s Bus (Alternate) (1:57) 17. Torchy’s Boogie (Ira Newborn) (2:54) 18. Saratoga Blues (Ralph Grierson) (2:30) Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Corellian2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted January 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2022 My Review:http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/new-editions-of-48-hrs-and-another-48-hrs-intrada-hits-hard/ Yavar Moradi, Disco Stu, Jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I wouldn't have known this was Horner except for the recycled stalking osinato from WOLFEN. Lalo does this kind of thing better. Okay, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 I am confused about something after seeing the track list, and Roger's write-up, Doug's write-up, and Jean-Baptiste's review don't answer it: Why is "Subway Station" 5 1/2 minutes long on the old album, but 3 minutes long in either appearance on this album? I first assumed that the old album simply combined what is now "Snippets/Heavy Traffic" and "Subway Station" together to form "Subway Station" on the old album, and that "Saratoga Blues" is the "one extra track" that Roger mentions. If that's the case, everything makes sense. However, Jean-Baptiste's review specifically says "Snippets/Heavy Traffic" is a new track. Is he wrong? Because if he is correct, I do not understand the new timing of that track. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Yes, I made a mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I wrote the part on 48 HRS. too fast. Snippets/Heavy Traffic (3:10) + Subway Station (2:54) = the track from the 2011 edition entitled Subway Station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, Jean-Baptiste Martin said: Yes, I made a mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. I wrote the part on 48 HRS. too fast. Ah OK that explains everything then 33 minutes ago, Jean-Baptiste Martin said: Snippets/Heavy Traffic (3:10) + Subway Station (2:54) = the track from the 2011 edition entitled Subway Station No, the 2011 track was Snippets/Heavy Traffic (3:10) + Subway Station (Alternate) (2:55)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Yes. And Subway Station (Alternate) is the version heard in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 Wait, really? They put the film version in the bonus track section, and the wrong take they accidentally grabbed back in 2011 into the new main program? Are you positive about that? If you're right, then that means you were right the first time when you said the old track was Snippets/Heavy Traffic (3:10) + Subway Station (2:54), because the 2011 album did not contain the version heard in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I just checked. Subway Station (Alternate) has a more melodic saxophone solo. And that's the one heard in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I am sorry for the approximations in my review. I only had 48 hours to write it. I left the first album behind. I mostly listened to Another 48Hrs. which I loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 M11 Main Title M13 Jack Leaves Elaine’s Apartment M21/22 The Walden Hotel M61 Wild Salsa (Aerobics) M71 Heavy Traffic (Snippets / Heavy Traffic) M81 Subway Station M82 Subway Chase M90 (piano improv - 'Saratoga Blues') M101 Luther’s Bus M111 The Alley Corellian2019 and Jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 So, @Jay, does this prove that this is one of the few scores where Horner did title his cues as opposed to, say, Aliens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think he started his career titling everything, stopped at some point in the 80s, but then started titling everything again sometime in the 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I'm racking my brains trying to think of what cue M12, or 1m2, represents in the film--maybe it was something Horner wrote but never recorded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 what does the m in the cues (1m2) stand for anyway? I've been wondering for ages. (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Corellian2019 said: I'm racking my brains trying to think of what cue M12, or 1m2, represents in the film--maybe it was something Horner wrote but never recorded There is no M12 / 1M2. 14 hours ago, Jay said: I think he started his career titling everything, stopped at some point in the 80s, but then started titling everything again sometime in the 90s The titles weren't generated by him, they're mostly just basic scene titles made for the spotting notes. They find their way onto the cue sheets, and then either the album titles will be cleaned / neatened up versions of those, or they'll be entirely different and more poetic / dramatic / punny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Received my package yesterday! I intend to fully dive into the musical contents and savor the alternate cues later this week, but just from the samples I've heard, this looks like a fantastic release and the definitive presentation of this score. It's also great to finally have the film version of "Subway Station" and, as a bonus, the Ralph Grierson piece (which I tried to identify on Shazam numerous times but without luck) Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Don't see a lot of people commenting about this set, but I still wanted to note some new discoveries I made. The biggest one is that "Subway Station" as heard in the film is actually an edit of two versions! Both of them included on the set, naturally. And "Aerobics" on this set ends without fading out, compared to the earlier edition. There is one factual error in the booklet, though: it says that this edition was derived from the original mixes by Shawn Murphy. But according to IMDB, Dan Wallin was the score mixer for this film; Murphy mixed the sequel. Factual error aside, this is a great set, and I'm happy to have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 Oof, that's an unfortunate error to make. And that's interesting about Subway Station! What are your thoughts on the new alternates of the Main Title and Luther's Bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 "Subway Station" is just one of Horner's very best cues, IMO. It's funny; "Luther's Bus (Alternate)" is actually the version we've heard all along on the bootleg and the first Intrada CD, with the prominent sax in the latter half of the cue. "Luther's Bus", included in the main program of the new CD, dials down the sax and is closer to the film mix. Both this cue and "The Alley" have been in my head this whole weekend. The alternate for "Main Title" sounds more like a rehearsal than a true alternate: the timing is sloppy, and the performances are not as robust as the final version. In both versions, though, you can now hear a faint click track for 3 seconds, starting at 4:04, before it launches into the steel drums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 Interesting, I'll probably put the Luthers Bus Alternate in my main program then, I like all the sax work in this score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I like all the sax work in this score! Me too! I never understood why it got a bad rap among some listeners, or why some praised the sax playing in Sneakers (which I've never heard or seen) over this Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 Sneakers is great, including all the sax in it! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Corellian2019 said: Sneakers (which I've never heard or seen) Sneakers is a wonderful score. If you like Apollo 13, Bicentennial Man and A Beautiful Mind, you'll like Sneakers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I'm sure it is wonderful, and maybe even a prototype for those other scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 So roughly which parts of each Subway Station version does the film use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: So roughly which parts of each Subway Station version does the film use? The film uses the first 1:46 of "Subway Station (Alternate)", and 1:47-end of "Subway Station" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Interesting... Thanks for that! A different producer would have recreated that performance edit for the main program, and then combined the opposite segments for the bonus track. But there's merit to hearing each full take, too. Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Or done what La-La Land did with their 30th anniversary edition of Die Hard: present the film edit in the main program, and then each unedited version as a bonus track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Yup that too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 My copy arrived in Saturday's mail, can't wait to give it a listen! Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 Does anyone on JWFan besides Corellian have any thoughts on this release? I haven't found the time to open mine yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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