Aliandra 66 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I just noticed this. In that concert work, "Must the Devil Have All the Good Tunes?", Adams draws inspiration from Henry Mancini's Peter Gunn, which of course Williams was the original pianist for back in the day. Why do I have the feeling that the "devil" that Adams refers to, is John Williams. That that classical pianist will show Williams a thing or two about playing the piano. Am I reading too much into this, or could Adams be such a John Williams hater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,247 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 No, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,229 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I doubt it too. Remember Adams grew up in the 60's where tunes were very much out of fashion compared to the avant garde. His musical style was a rejection of the academic trends of his time plus his early influences were pop and jazz. His dad was a jazz musician and Adams started as a clarinetist in local school bands and community orchestras where he had a love of the 60's pop and jazz. I really, really don't think he has anything negative to say about Williams since he's also seen as a populist hack in classical elitist world because his music is very popular and tuneful. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stu 13,520 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 When I first saw the John Adams title I immediately thought of Charlie Daniels’ “The Devil Went Down to Georgia” where the Devil’s music was obviously cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 6,140 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 In the big scheme of things, what Adams thinks of JW, is as about as important as what I think of a bacon sarnie: not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Glóin the Dark 1,030 Posted January 4 Popular Post Share Posted January 4 I dunno - to me it looks as though John Adams was just about to slap John Williams in that photograph, before noticing that there was a camera on him. Edmilson, eitam, Naïve Old Fart and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 209 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 You people are a circus. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,500 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I think the devil Adams is referring to is Hans Zimmer. GerateWohl and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 6,140 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 59 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I think the devil Adams is referring to is Hans Zimmer. ... ... ... ... Nailed it, dude! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,004 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This gossip should be beneath the likes of this forum. Very unhealthy way of thinking of these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5,072 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 "If Star Wars didn't have that evil imprint, they wouldn't sell two tickets. Satan sells tickets." - Jack Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,097 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 No, but he hated Thomas Jefferson Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 6,140 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,097 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Fart is, understandably, obviously not well versed in American history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 307 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 04/01/2022 at 9:05 AM, Glóin the Dark said: I dunno - to me it looks as though John Adams was just about to slap John Williams in that photograph, before noticing that there was a camera on him. ↑ 0:13 ↓ Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 13,520 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 4/1/2022 at 8:39 PM, bruce marshall said: No, but he hated Thomas Jefferson It would be more correct to say their relationship was complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,097 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 They had a pretty big feud. No duels at dawn, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 73 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 no one hates the maestro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 3,272 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Except for Brian Eno, apparently, and J.K. Rowling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May the Force be with You 1,565 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: J.K. Rowling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 209 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 21 hours ago, Edmilson said: Except for Brian Eno, apparently, and J.K. Rowling. Wait what did I miss, JK Rowling talked shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,247 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Yeah, that must have passed me by too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,348 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 22 hours ago, Edmilson said: Except for Brian Eno, apparently, and J.K. Rowling. Eno doesn't hate Williams. He just doesn't understand why a super talented and successful film composer as Williams refuses to take artistic risks. And he has a point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 3,272 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Lord Zimmer said: Wait what did I miss, JK Rowling talked shit? It's a common theory among JW fans that Rowling didn't like Williams' HP scores and prevented him from scoring the final movies. I don't know how true this is, but we have a whole thread debating the issue: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34097-jk-rowling-didnt-like-jw-because-the-music-didnt-sound-english-enough-fact-or-fiction/&do=findComment&comment=1831336 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,500 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, AC1 said: Eno doesn't hate Williams. He just doesn't understand why a super talented and successful film composer as Williams refuses to take artistic risks. And he has a point! Well, he did score Stepmom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,247 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 20 minutes ago, Edmilson said: It's a common theory among JW fans that Rowling didn't like Williams' HP scores and prevented him from scoring the final movies. I don't know how true this is, but we have a whole thread debating the issue: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34097-jk-rowling-didnt-like-jw-because-the-music-didnt-sound-english-enough-fact-or-fiction/&do=findComment&comment=1831336 We need less theory and speculation, more fact. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,500 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, Thor said: We need less theory and speculation, more fact. You should interview Rowling for your book, Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 209 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: It's a common theory among JW fans that Rowling didn't like Williams' HP scores and prevented him from scoring the final movies. I don't know how true this is, but we have a whole thread debating the issue: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34097-jk-rowling-didnt-like-jw-because-the-music-didnt-sound-english-enough-fact-or-fiction/&do=findComment&comment=1831336 Okay so based on literally nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 13,520 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 The smear campaign against Rowling goes back farther than we thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,500 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Of course Rowling likes John Williams, a CIS white male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 13,520 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: John Williams, a CIS white male. Composer In Slacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,500 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Probably, that's the only meaning I'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 6,140 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 It's short for cisgender. Bottom line; if you're born male, and you stay male, then you are cis. It's the opposite of trans. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,097 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 28/01/2022 at 5:47 AM, Thor said: We need more theory and speculation, less fact. Our Motto!😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,142 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I can't image the composer of a piece like City Noir "hating" a man like John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 13,520 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 The original post wasn't just based on nothing, but seems to be the reasoning of the truly insane paranoid personality. I'd even argue it's worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,500 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, Loert said: I can't image the composer of a piece like City Noir "hating" a man like John Williams. Perhaps the guitarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,142 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 WOW! You are totally right. Thank you for that. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,473 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 28/01/2022 at 9:26 AM, AC1 said: Eno doesn't hate Williams. He just doesn't understand why a super talented and successful film composer as Williams refuses to take artistic risks. And he has a point! He takes risks in his concert works, which rarely get discussed in the mainstream eye. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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