zoltan_902 141 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The trumpet fanfare playing over the 'opening' fireworks was one note away from being the CE3K theme. j39m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Biodome 714 Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2022 Yeah, I noticed that as well. Here's the whole sequence with the (almost) CE3K fanfare: BeijingTrimmed.mp4 Joni Wiljami, Tydirium, Dr. Know and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I've watched Olympic coverage via NBC and its other networks the past two nights and it's been pretty much all JW for the interstitials as per usual. Summon the Heroes is by far the most common one used but I've heard the original Olympic Fanfare some as well. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeDocMatt 57 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 11 hours ago, zoltan_902 said: The trumpet fanfare playing over the 'opening' fireworks was one note away from being the CE3K theme. Heard and thought the exact same thing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Even the orchestration seems from the grand finale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Who composed that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: Who composed that? I bet a court jury would say 'John Williams'. Once and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Not those filthy notes at the end that's definitly too low standard for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Did anybody else think the musical choices during the procession was a weird selection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Did anybody else think the musical choices during the procession was a weird selection? I think this is far from the first time that Olympics are doing selections from the classical repertoire, but I'd have liked something more unique, like the pieces in Tokyo Olympics. Maybe some actual Chinese classical music would've been better. What was annoying is that the pieces started repeating after a while. They should have covered the whole procession with music, rather than half of it, and then looping it back from the beginning. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Wow that's the most blatant ripoff I've heard in a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 244 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 There's even a harmonic ripoff in the build up section of the strings towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 On 05/02/2022 at 1:02 AM, Biodome said: Yeah, I noticed that as well. Here's the whole sequence with the (almost) CE3K fanfare: BeijingTrimmed.mp4 JW should sue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Actually, if you really listen to it its in the exact same key as well and seems the same orchestration, with just some bits cut out and the second response in the trombones to the trumpet call is put in the trumpets. But clearly the same. The "composer" is basically an academic from China Communications University in Beijing. He has done film stuff but nothing really of interest, as you can see in his music here, and most likely got that gig because he knew somebody important not because his music is nay good (clearly). They should have called Tan Dun, now that would have been at least interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 A clear case of plagiarism being set off with a shot of the Chinese president. This is satire of a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 3 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: The "composer" is basically an academic from China Communications University in Beijing What's his name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Apparently he's just known as "Professor Li" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,636 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 At least steal from a lesser known piece. Close Encounters of the Communist Kind. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 6 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Apparently he's just known as "Professor Li" I'll try asking some musician friends in Beijing if they know anything about this. The Olympics should have safeguards against this kind of stuff, particularly when the CE3K theme is relatively well known. Whomever vetted the submitted music wasn't doing their job properly, and the composer should be ashamed. In any case, John Williams and his legal team should be informed about this. They definitely have a plagiarism case here imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Biodome said: I'll try asking some musician friends in Beijing if they know anything about this. The Olympics should have safeguards against this kind of stuff, particularly when the CE3K theme is relatively well known. Whomever vetted the submitted music wasn't doing their job properly, and the composer should be ashamed. In any case, John Williams and his legal team should be informed about this. They definitely have a plagiarism case here imo. Well that isn't really.... how that works. First, yes annoying and very just cheap but realistically besides this nerd page and some other fans who were paying attention at that moment, very few people probably noticed. So who in actuality would be around to safeguard this? I don't think they are going to waste time or money to collect a bunch of musicologists to go through all the music used to determine authenticity, which given they are musicologist, will probably get wrong anyway. And let us not forget John has done the same himself- the one that always comes to mind for me is in A New Hope when C3PO and R2 are walking through the desert which is the opening of act two in the Rite of Spring. Temp track used there or not it still ended up there and he still wrote his own version of it. Stravinsky himself said great artists steal. The other part is, you can't just say I'm going to throw a legal case at somebody, and it's especially tedious here to do such a thing. I don't think any lawyer on earth would do anything less than immediately say no, in addition the legal case would only stand up in China where the event occurred. Most importantly, I would literally bet every organ inside my body that Williams himself wouldn't care in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 28 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: but realistically besides this nerd page and some other fans who were paying attention at that moment, very few people probably noticed. One doesn't need to be a nerd or fan to recognize CE3K music, as it's a worldwide blockbuster film. Spielberg's works are popular everywhere, China included. I agree that catching all instances of plagiarism is practically impossible, but as we're talking about a known theme and a big global event like the Olympics, I still think they could've done better. 28 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: And let us not forget John has done the same himself- the one that always comes to mind for me is in A New Hope when C3PO and R2 are walking through the desert which is the opening of act two in the Rite of Spring. Temp track used there or not it still ended up there and he still wrote his own version of it. Stravinsky himself said great artists steal. John Williams does recognize Stravinsky's influence in his score for Star Wars, so it's no secret. Besides, Stravinsky had been dead for several years, and by then The Rite of Spring had long entered the Western classical canon. So one could describe that track as a homage, rather than nefarious plagiarism. 28 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: The other part is, you can't just say I'm going to throw a legal case at somebody, and it's especially tedious here to do such a thing. I don't think any lawyer on earth would do anything less than immediately say no, in addition the legal case would only stand up in China where the event occurred. Even if one doesn't want to engage with China’s legal system, one can still publicly point out plagiarism and ask for an apology. Chinese people hate being lied to, they hate plagiarism, and they have a cancel/shaming culture for those kinds of things, especially seen in social media. It wasn't some random school concert, it was the Olympics, watched by hundreds of millions of people worldwide. John Williams himself is a musical icon in the Olympics. He deserves appropriate credit whenever his music is used in such a context. 28 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Most importantly, I would literally bet every organ inside my body that Williams himself wouldn't care in the slightest. I wouldn't be surprised by this. Admittedly, I'm writing all of this as a fan, and I realize I might be far more zealous about his music and its recognition than he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 They're REALLY using Williams Summon the Heroes and Olympic Fanfare this time. Not just brief snippets before commercials but large sections of the pieces many times during each broadcasts, basically over every montage. Will and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Ah, sweet to have twice as many gold as you-know-who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 NBC just played “Dramatic Tease” after the ladies figure skating long program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 yeah that was dramatic indeed Dr. Know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 To sum it up they use larger sections of Olympic fanfare,Prime Time Tease and Summon the Heroes (including the alternate "basketball" and "soccer" recordings) extensively over the broadcast but they never use the original commercial bumpers anymore. And they used Dramatic Tease once I also never heard Call of the Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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