Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Man, am I the only Trek fan that loves Rosenman's Voyage Home score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Man, am I the only Trek fan that loves Rosenman's Voyage Home score? NO. We are two. But I'm not a Trek fan... Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Bespin said: NO. We are two. But I'm not a Trek fan... Hey! I'm the one who brought it up! 7 hours ago, Datameister said: The synths are super cheesy and dated, but I've come to accept them as part of the vibe of the film, which I adore. Exactly this. It was meant (in places) to go along with intentionally cheesy effects and creature work. While still being able to manage the more sincere parts of the film. (Guide My Sword.) 7 hours ago, Datameister said: If you were to properly record that score with a great orchestra, I think a lot of opinions would change. An interesting idea. I wonder if Knopfler would ever go for it? Wait, never mind: https://filmconcertslive.com/movies/princessbride/ And Ok, I'm sold. I want this now. But I still love the original. Bespin and WampaRat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Tallguy said: Hey! I'm the one who brought it up! Exactly this. It was meant (in places) to go along with intentionally cheesy effects and creature work. While still being able to manage the more sincere parts of the film. (Guide My Sword.) An interesting idea. I wonder if Knopfler would ever go for it? Wait, never mind: https://filmconcertslive.com/movies/princessbride/ And Ok, I'm sold. I want this now. But I still love the original. This is awesome! I’m completely used to the cheesy Casio keyboard score. It has its charms. But I’ve often wondered would an orchestral score for this film would sound like. I almost got to the point where I was chopping up bits of Powell scores (Shrek, Ferdinand, a couple others) to make my own temp score for a remake of Princess Bride (Heaven Forbid! But Powell would be PERFECT for that job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I never really thought about this question until I watched Inception recently. Can't name many endearing qualities about its score, Hans Zinger sounds like a hot mess here. Totally the wrong movie for his newer, enlightened and sophisticated 'wave pop'. This may be because Zinger misjudged the conceptual character the music should portray in the film; that is, time. Every film has an invisible and supplemental subconscious character called the score, but it needs to add some kind of new information or else it sounds thoughtless. The Matrix's score was a brilliantly-written character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Man, am I the only Trek fan that loves Rosenman's Voyage Home score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I can't help it, dudes. LADYHAWKE is a decent enough score, but every time I listen to it, all I hear is Silence And I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 The movie starts good with its mysterious arpeggio, then the sudden introduction of the rock drums kills the medieval mood, but after a while I somehow get used to this strange Ladyhawke flavour. At least, it's something different, and as we all know, variety is the spice of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 LADYHAWKE is one of my favourite scores of all time. Here's an ancient defense thread I did on FSM. I also find myself really liking a lot of the "hated scores" mentioned in this thread -- THE PRINCESS BRIDE, MAD MAX: FURY ROAD, GOLDENEYE (my favourite Bond score, no less!) etc. etc. Then again, I know that there are people who love the dreadful scores and composers I listed myself, so what goes around, comes around. Fascinating how two individuals can listen to the same thing, and one finds it to be a glorious jewel, the other a piece of turd. Brains, gotta love 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,358 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Agree on what's been previously said about Goldeneye ... I wish either that Arnold had begun his run of Bond scores with it, or Barry had been tempted back one last time. That sub-videogame crap that accompanies the DB5-Ferrari chase ... ugh. Plus the tank chase having to be rescored by someone else so that it actually included the Bond theme *facepalm*. And don't get me started on the hideously insipid end-credits song ... what a steaming pile of weedy merde. No other Bond composer has ever sung on their compositions, Monsieur Serra ... maybe you should've followed their lead, non? At least Bono, the Edge and Tina Turner 'understood the assignment' regarding the title song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, Sweeping Strings said: That sub-videogame crap that accompanies the DB5-Ferrari chase I love that cue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: And don't get me started on the hideously insipid end-credits song ... what a steaming pile of weedy merde. No other Bond composer has ever sung on their compositions, Monsieur Serra ... maybe you should've followed their lead, non? After a-ha's "The Living Daylights", it's my favourite Bond song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I don't love the Fury Road score but I don't hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said: That sub-videogame crap that accompanies the DB5-Ferrari chase ... ugh. I swear, the opening 10 seconds of that cue is 90% of the reason that people think they hate this score. They hear that and give up. Not only is the rest of the score great, the rest of that track isn't bad. 1 hour ago, Thor said: After a-ha's "The Living Daylights", it's my favourite Bond song! This, otoh, is a slightly shocking statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,358 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 16 hours ago, Thor said: After a-ha's "The Living Daylights", it's my favourite Bond song! If There Was A Man ... now THERE's a good Bond end-credits track (see also TND's Surrender). Naïve Old Fart and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 Yeah, Sweep! How SURRENDER was not the main title song to T.N.D. is quite beyond me. It's the infinitely better song, and k.d. belts it out like her life depends on it (thankfully it didn't ). Tom Guernsey, Sweeping Strings and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 17 hours ago, Tallguy said: This, otoh, is a slightly shocking statement. I just realized I spoke about the wrong song. I obviously meant the Tina Turner opening song. I agree that the end credits song isn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 21 hours ago, Thor said: After a-ha's "The Living Daylights", it's my favourite Bond song! It's my favourite Bond song, and my favourite Bond score. GoldenEye (the song) would be a close second, with License Licence To Kill, third, and Surrender, fourth. Curiously, both You Know My Name, and Another Way To Die, are really growing on me. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Isn't The Living Daylights generally regarded as one of the worst Bond songs ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,504 Posted February 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, AC1 said: Isn't The Living Daylights generally regarded as one of the worst Bond songs ever? If it is, that just means I love it even more. Naïve Old Fart, Jurassic Shark, HunterTech and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Thor said: If it is, that just means I love it even more. It's also the reason why you love Prometheus so much, Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Oof! Alex, that's cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, AC1 said: It's also the reason why you love Prometheus so much, Thor. Indeed. The constant naysaying just adds fuel to fire for me if I've decided I love something. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" contains "The Kraken", aka. 'the #1 track that kicked me right out of the movie and back into the theater' by its blatant use of anachronistic sounds. I know that had already been a common complaint against "Curse of the Black Pearl", but it didn't hit me until the second film. Jack Sparrow's action theme never quite sounded like true film music to me either. Something about it seems 'off'... And then there's the pieces of music copied from the first film too (Sparrow's entrance). I never do like it when I recognize not themes, but whole performances. (Which indeed Williams has done several times in Star Wars films as well; and I wish he hadn't.) But on the other hand, Davy Jones was pretty great again. So on the whole, it's just an enormously uneven score. Creating just a ton of whiplash while watching. Thankfully I have mellowed down on it over the years... Of course I originally started out loving the first PotC film score. I was blissfully unaware of its similarities with other Zimmer-ite work from before. But once I heard Cutthroat Island, well... that love got instantly replaced. Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 hours ago, Thor said: I just realized I spoke about the wrong song. I obviously meant the Tina Turner opening song. I agree that the end credits song isn't that good. Oh good. Yes, Goldeneye is top notch. 8 hours ago, AC1 said: Isn't The Living Daylights generally regarded as one of the worst Bond songs ever? Is it really? Maybe it's because there's not many Bond songs I consider "bad". Even Man With the Golden Gun has grown on me. (Another Way to Die is trash.) 3 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" contains "The Kraken", aka. 'the #1 track that kicked me right out of the movie and back into the theater' by its blatant use of anachronistic sounds. I know that had already been a common complaint against "Curse of the Black Pearl", but it didn't hit me until the second film. Wow. My biggest complaint when I saw DMC in the cinema was that I couldn't HEAR the Kraken theme. I LOVE that track. Isn't the orchestra in most pirate movies "an anachronistic sound"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Thor said: If it is, that just means I love it even more. It’s one of my faves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,358 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 22 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: It's my favourite Bond song, and my favourite Bond score. GoldenEye (the song) would be a close second, with License Licence To Kill, third, and Surrender, fourth. Curiously, both You Know My Name, and Another Way To Die, are really growing on me. The cool thing about You Know My Name is Bond's MO is right there in the lyrics ('Arm yourself, because no-one else here will save you ... ') etc. Plus the little squeal of feedback just before the first chorus (more noticeable on the single version, if memory serves). The combo of Jack White and Alicia Keys suggested that we were gonna get a bluesy alt-rock/soul stormer with Another Way To Die. Erm ... not quite, to say the least. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Like the film, Another Way To Die has crept up on me. The rough-and-ready arrangement of the song fits the whole cobbled-together feel of the film. Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,358 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I get what you're saying. Messy and all as QOS is, what with the combo of the writer's strike and wrangles over MGM's future it's perhaps somewhat of a miracle that it got made at all. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 On 11/02/2022 at 10:22 PM, Tallguy said: Wow. My biggest complaint when I saw DMC in the cinema was that I couldn't HEAR the Kraken theme. I LOVE that track. Isn't the orchestra in most pirate movies "an anachronistic sound"? Didn't orchestra's exist at the time? On the whole, I always figured a good orchestral score tends to sound pretty timeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said: Didn't orchestra's exist at the time? On the whole, I always figured a good orchestral score tends to sound pretty timeless. Years ago I saw a whole thing on the evolution of the orchestra and the instruments used and that the "Hollywood sound" for movies set in the late 1600's to the mid 1700's was itself an anachronism. This is why scores like Ladyhawke don't bother me very much. Or PotC. Holko and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Yeah the orchestra as we know it today crystallized in the mid to late 19th century as I understand it. Although modern film scores that are actually recorded with an orchestra often greatly expand the low brass compared to traditional classical orchestras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tallguy said: This is why scores like Ladyhawke don't bother me very much. Or PotC. Ladyhawke bothers me because it's such an ill fit for this particular film and its ways of storytelling (the somewhat similar Princess Bride doesn't feel as forced). POTC looks and feels exactly right for the RCP scores it got. I don't think this 'anachronistic' argument holds much water, as 99% of the audience don't give much of a shit about this, but if it starts to stick out like a sore thumb, something went awry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, publicist said: I don't think this 'anachronistic' argument holds much water, as 99% of the audience don't give much of a shit about this, but if it starts to stick out like a sore thumb, something went awry. For me, it was just the electric guitar and obvious rock influence. But I understand why that choice was made. I like to think I've mellowed down a bit on my opinion there; compared to that first gut-response of "what the hell". These days, I actually like pirate rock and such. With special bonus points for the metal written by me long-distance-friend Franco Tempesta from Argentina. Anyway, enough of me derailing the topic already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I don't "love" the film, by any standard, but I think that GENERATIONS would be improved, vastly, by a better score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Are you kidding me? McCarthy's Generations score is like my #3 or 4 favorite Trek score. Madness! Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I like the Kraken. Holko and Tallguy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 hours ago, publicist said: POTC looks and feels exactly right for the RCP scores it got. I don't think this 'anachronistic' argument holds much water, as 99% of the audience don't give much of a shit about this, but if it starts to stick out like a sore thumb, something went awry. The music did stick out like a sore thumb to me in POTC, but then again the film itself did as well. Interestingly, the reggae-ish Monkey Island scores don't feel anachronistic to me at all in contrast. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Are you kidding me? McCarthy's Generations score is like my #3 or 4 favorite Trek score. Madness! We just watched this yesterday. I was struck by how beautiful the music was. I also realized that (aside from Courage and Steiner arranging on The Motion Picture) McCarthy is the only Star Trek composer to have done both the TV shows and a movie. (Ok, you're not going to hold the Voyager titles against me, are you?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: The music did stick out like a sore thumb to me in POTC, but then again the film itself did as well. Interestingly, the reggae-ish Monkey Island scores don't feel anachronistic to me at all in contrast. Because graphics and 8-bit sound align. As for POTC, i remember i found it sledgehammer-y and brutish, but i certainly didn't wish for a Korngold score instead, saying it wasn't the rock idiom i did question, but how it was applied. Still, things improved so markedly by POTC III, i'm not complaining too much about the ugly duckling which is the first one. 13 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: I like to think I've mellowed down a bit on my opinion there; compared to that first gut-response of "what the hell". The style didn't offend me as much as how brute it was (see above) and how derivative of other scores (Kilar's Dracula). Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 hours ago, publicist said: Because graphics and 8-bit sound align. As for POTC, i remember i found it sledgehammer-y and brutish, but i certainly didn't wish for a Korngold score instead, saying it wasn't the rock idiom i did question, but how it was applied. I should have been clearer. Sure, the early Monkeys were lo-res style (though always 16-bit sound, if we want to get technical). The third game has a cartoonish look that looks more like a comic book than a typical game of its time, and the later ones (especially Escape, but to a lesser extent also Tales) have an ugly 3D design. And the games themselves are intentionally anachronistic, too. Yet I accept the music as *pirate* music, because (like the games) despite all its goofiness and stylistic excursions, it feels like its heart is in the right pirate-y place, something I never felt with POTC (score or film). With POTC, it's both the rock idiom and the sledgehammer for me. But yes, I also mostly like the third score. Pieter Boelen and Romão 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 11/02/2022 at 12:52 PM, AC1 said: Isn't The Living Daylights generally regarded as one of the worst Bond songs ever? Not by me On 11/02/2022 at 2:26 PM, Thor said: If it is, that just means I love it even more. 15 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Are you kidding me? McCarthy's Generations score is like my #3 or 4 favorite Trek score. Madness! No, I'm not kidding you, Stu. There is much S.T. music that I love, but this man's scores, just grate on me. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Not by me Doesn't count because you guys adore Prometheus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, AC1 said: Doesn't count because you guys adore Prometheus. There's no'wt wrong with PROMETHEUS. Ok, so there's a lot wrong with PROMETHEUS, but I still like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Not by me No, I'm not kidding you, Stu. There is much S.T. music that I love, but this man's scores, just grate on me. Mixed feelings on this post, Richard. On the one hand, you're just wrong about McCarthy. On the other, "Living Daylights" is my favorite Bond song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Maybe I should listen to more McCarthy. I will happily admit that I very much like the Main Title, of GENERATIONS. The Living Daylights is an exceptional song. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: The Living Daylights is an exceptional song. Neo Steely Dan, a-ha, The Living Daylights, Prometheus, ... You guys should live together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Hey I don't like Prometheus.... I've posted before about how I think Ridley Scott made two good movies ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 and 'The Duellists'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Hey I don't like Prometheus.... I've posted before about how I think Ridley Scott made two good movies ever No, let me see. Would they be Spoiler G.I. JANE, and 1492: CONQUEST OF PARADISE by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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