BB-8 3,473 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Better put it up on change.org. EDIT: This is not a joke. OK, your go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I did it last time with the JW cameo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I did it last time with the JW cameo. So now I know who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I'm JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's great. Where do we sign? Your sole interest in this petition is just having all the flubs documented. I protest! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Hey, I like to do thorough research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montague 42 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Biodome said: Your sole interest in this petition is just having all the flubs documented. I protest! we can already state, that the horns or trumpets will be late, because the traditional natural horns the Viennese use need a few milliseconds from first transient to full sound. It's a flaw that all classical orchestras have, unlike the great Casio MIDI keyboards users here possess. Add to that exceptionally excellent musicianship like in Vienna, that allows for relative freedom vertically, 'notes inégales', then it's getting really dangerous for the metronome fixated. It's about time Vienna updates their instruments to Casio MIDI triggered. Otherwise today's modern ears can't hear them well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 That's rather bleak expectations. I for one think they'll have prepared better this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lord Montague said: we can already state, that the horns or trumpets will be late, because the traditional natural horns the Viennese use need a few milliseconds from first transient to full sound. It's a flaw that all classical orchestras have, unlike the great Casio MIDI keyboards users here possess. Add to that exceptionally excellent musicianship like in Vienna, that allows for relative freedom vertically, 'notes inégales', then it's getting really dangerous for the metronome fixated. It's about time Vienna updates their instruments to Casio MIDI triggered. Otherwise today's modern ears can't hear them well. Strawmen as far as the eye can see Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'm JJ. Jurassic Shark and igger6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted February 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 On 09/02/2022 at 8:24 PM, Biodome said: Well, this has certainly put an unexpected dent in my finances. I'm already attending two Berlin Philharmonic subscription series, and I have a trip to Dublin for the Hans Zimmer concert in March. If John Williams keeps doing surprise concerts in Europe like this, I will go bankrupt. It will be absolutely worth it, though. It's funny - I've traveled from Dublin to America many times to see John Williams, and also Berlin and Vienna. But even though Zimmer will be literally 30 minutes from my house, I've no interest in attending his concert. BB-8, josefsuma, Timo Martikainen and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montague 42 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Strawmen as far as the eye can see More like a description of the general lack of familiarity, not to say ignorance, toward a performance tradition of prioritising intense musicality and cantabile playing over metronomic precision and playing 'safe' in THE traditional center of classical music. Give me a messy but lively performance of Vienna Phil any day over a precise but dead American orchestra any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Lord Montague said: intense musicality So that's what's going on in that Jaws performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montague 42 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: So that's what's going on in that Jaws performance. what about it, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 The "Waiting List" is back up for Sunday... Konzert, Wiener Philharmoniker (musikverein.at) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 07/02/2022 at 2:08 PM, Marian Schedenig said: On 07/02/2022 at 2:05 PM, Disco Stu said: What ever happened to the original piece that Williams composed for the Vienna Philharmonic? The processional or fanfare or whatever. That was written for the Philharmonikerball, which was cancelled for the second time in a row this year because of COVID. Hopefully next year. I wouldn't expect them to premiere that in the concert, but who knows (I don't really know how this stuff works). On the other hand, it seems like a missed opportunity not to have Williams conduct the once piece he (supposedly) wrote for them when he's here to conduct them. But surely it would be a natural concert opener rather than a surprise encore? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Might still be an encore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 He may be invited to conduct the whole VPO ball in 2023 post COVID, you know, like Blomstedt etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I would love if Williams would composed a piece for The Vienna Philharmonic, and not a fanfare, but something he would call Waltz For Vienna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, rough cut said: I would love if Williams would composed a piece for The Vienna Philharmonic, and not a fanfare, but something he would call Waltz For Vienna. In view of the upcoming concerts (in 3 weeks) "The Chairman's Waltz" with ASM seems to be a realistic Wiener Walzer option. BFG Suite would also contain some sweeping waltzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, BB-8 said: In view of the upcoming concerts (in 3 weeks) "The Chairman's Waltz" with ASM seems to be a realistic Wiener Walzer option. BFG Suite would also contain some sweeping waltzes. They already have Fawkes the Phoenix on the program. That works better as a Wiener Walzer. Aunt Marge would have been even better. BB-8 and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 All lovely pieces, but wouldn't it be lovely with a newly commissioned piece, commissioned by and for the VPO. I don't care if it would be completely derivative of the Strausses, I bet it would sound gorgeous. I wonder what the unreleased waltz from Dracula sounded like... igger6, BB-8 and Once 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, rough cut said: I don't care if it would be completely derivative of the Strausses, I bet it would sound gorgeous. Korngold already wrote a Strauss suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Hmm... I don't know if I am expressing myself un-clearly, I mean a new, freshly composed piece by JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, BB-8 said: He may be invited to conduct the whole VPO ball in 2023 post COVID, you know, like Blomstedt etc. I didn't know they had big name conductors do the ball. In any case, I doubt Williams would fly over just for that, they'd have to put on a regular concert again as well. And 2023 is still a while away - plus Austria is just about to cancel most of the COVID measures while we're still at the peak of the Omicron wave, so I'm not yet counting on the ball actually taking place next year… 41 minutes ago, rough cut said: I don't care if it would be completely derivative of the Strausses, I bet it would sound gorgeous. Curiously, the previous fanfare was composed by the Other Strauss. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 There's too many Strausses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: There's too many Strausses. They could have been more... igger6 and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, rough cut said: Hmm... I don't know if I am expressing myself un-clearly, I mean a new, freshly composed piece by JW. I understand what you mean. But if the Austrians commissioned a work from Williams it for sure would not be a Wiener Walzer, but rather something typical for Williams. His Waltzes, especially those Straussian ones are always very much tongue in cheek ironic pieces. This would not work. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 He could write a tone poem. It might bring out his more lyrical side. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I didn't know they had big name conductors do the ball. In any case, I doubt Williams would fly over just for that, they'd have to put on a regular concert again as well. And 2023 is still a while away - plus Austria is just about to cancel most of the COVID measures while we're still at the peak of the Omicron wave, so I'm not yet counting on the ball actually taking place next year… Curiously, the previous fanfare was composed by the Other Strauss. Bei jedem Ball wird ein „Ehrendirigent“ eingeladen, der ein „Gustostückerl“ mit den Philharmonikern am Beginn des Balles zum Besten gibt. Bisher haben Claudio Abbado, Leonard Bernstein, Herbert Blomstedt, Karl Böhm, Willy Boskovsky, Pierre Boulez, Placido Domingo, Gustavo Dudamel, Christoph Eschenbach, Adam Fischer, Wilhelm Furtwängler, Sir John Eliot Gardiner, Daniele Gatti, Carlo Maria Giulini, Daniel Harding, Mariss Jansons, Herbert von Karajan, Leonidas Kavakos, Carlos Kleiber, Clemens Krauss, Lorin Maazel, Zubin Mehta, Riccardo Muti, Seiji Ozawa, Georges Prêtre, Sir Simon Rattle, Franz Schalk, Carl Schuricht, Sir Georg Solti, Richard Strauss, Christian Thielemann, Felix von Weingartner und Franz Welser-Möst diese Aufgabe übernommen. Die Geschichte des Balls - Wiener Philharmoniker This would make a cute little "Gustostückerl" after the JW Fanfare (even though it's mostly by Cole Porter). Would probably need to change the language from Mandarin (?) to Russian for diplomatic reasons: Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted February 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: I understand what you mean. But if the Austrians commissioned a work from Williams it for sure would not be a Wiener Walzer, but rather something typical for Williams. His Waltzes, especially those Straussian ones are always very much tongue in cheek ironic pieces. This would not work. Well, one can dream. Once, GerateWohl and BB-8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2022 Williams obviously doesn't consider himself above that sort of ironic pastiche in the tradition of Strauss and Leroy Anderson, but I think in his mind he's written enough of those types of light orchestral miniatures for films over the years. Every time he is given a blank slate, he chooses to write in the more personal, complex style. Probably because he knows they're his only opportunities to express that part of his musical taste/personality. Sidebar: for anyone who hasn't read it before, this short little interview with Williams about Leroy Anderson is worth a read for his thoughts on "light" music http://www.pbs.org/sleighride/About_Leroy/Williams.htm Quote Williams: A waltz for example, Belle of the Ball, is as beautifully scored as any Strauss Waltz-absolutely. This is the work of a really great artist-the fact that it's light would make it seem like it's just done like a post card or an off-handed thing but there's as much craft in it as anything. rough cut, BuzzLightyear and Miguel Andrade 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 So from now on it should be "Sound the Balls". ;-) 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: There's too many Strausses. But only one Richard Strauss! Jurassic Shark and Marian Schedenig 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 07/02/2022 at 3:59 AM, gewittawoikal said: Program This is very disappointing program . He played some of these pieces in the 2 previous concerts, and where's that Fanfare he was supposed to write for the Vienna orchestra. No Rise of Skywalker, HSATP or anything new I'd like to hear properly recorded. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 09/02/2022 at 1:24 PM, bollemanneke said: Just e-mail DG? I've just tried asking them about whether or not they're gonna record the concerts. Their response was that they cannot disclose their future plans. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, Biodome said: I've just tried asking them about whether or not they're gonna record the concerts. Their response was that they cannot disclose their future plans. No news is good news! At least they didn't exclude any future plans. So fingers crossed, and thanks for reaching out to DG! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 8 hours ago, King Mark said: This is very disappointing program . He played some of these pieces in the 2 previous concerts, and where's that Fanfare he was supposed to write for the Vienna orchestra. No Rise of Skywalker, HSATP or anything new I'd like to hear properly recorded. The programme is admittedly a bit standard, and could do with a few more lesser-programmed pieces (would love to hear "Double Trouble" or any other HP3 piece in the Musikverein, or something like Seven Years in Tibet for instance) and could do without the repeat pieces "Hedwig's Theme" and "Marion's Theme", but I'm glad there's not more overlap with the previous Vienna programme. What I don't really understand, though, here or at previous concerts, is the repeat within the concert itself of "Leia's Theme", and last time with "Marion's Theme". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 Marion's Theme in this concert probably isn't a repeat (neither within this concert (even if the Raiders March shows up as an encore) nor compared to the previous ones), because it's likely to be the new ASM arrangement. 4 hours ago, Biodome said: Fabulin, BB-8 and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias 267 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Yay, managed to snatch a ticket for Saturday! 😊 BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 493 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 18/02/2022 at 8:52 AM, Marian Schedenig said: Marion's Theme in this concert probably isn't a repeat (neither within this concert (even if the Raiders March shows up as an encore) nor compared to the previous ones), because it's likely to be the new ASM arrangement. I actually doubt that. ASM will probably play one encore after the concerto, as she did during the Boston concerts. After such a big heavy piece I doubt she would stick around and play during the second half as well. (But I wouldn't be surprised to see her come out for another encore at the end, after the main program.) But then again I have no information either way; a total guess on my part. EDIT: I just saw the setlist for her Carnegie Hall concert, which will include more violin arrangements after the concerto, so who knows about Marion's Theme? I just think it'll be the orchestral version since it's the same "suite" of Indiana Jones themes he conducted in Berlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, Matt S. said: I actually doubt that. ASM will probably play one encore after the concerto, as she did during the Boston concerts. After such a big heavy piece I doubt she would stick around and play during the second half as well. (But I wouldn't be surprised to see her come out for another encore at the end, after the main program.) That sounds very reasonable, except that Marion's Theme is the *only* piece that would be repeated from the previous Vienna programme (assuming that Hedwig's Theme is *not* the ASM version this time) if it's the standard orchestral arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Hmm. The last time that JW was live, in Vienna? A few months ago. The last time that JW was live, in London? 1998. What's wrong with this picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 23 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Hmm. The last time that JW was live, in Vienna? A few months ago. The last time that JW was live, in London? 1998. What's wrong with this picture? Nothing. London: 1977-2005 Vienna: 2020-2022 Berlin: 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Sorry, @BB-8, but when has JW conducted publicly, since 1998? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Sorry, @BB-8, but when has JW conducted publicly, since 1998? This is public...from a certain point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 By no definition is that public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,473 Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, Disco Stu said: By no definition is that public Well neither is Musikverein...from a certain point of view. Smeltington, Jurassic Shark and Matthias 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: By no definition is that public It's publically available on YouTube. You don't even have to pay to listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 This event has already taken place. Ball, 38. Ball der Wiener Philharmoniker (musikverein.at) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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