apples 64 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Here's a 7ish minutes long bit from Austrian TV with excerpts of what seems to originally have been a longer interview (overdubbed in German) - though it's probably region blocked outside Austria: https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/kulturMontag/13886866/kulturMontag/14127980/John-Williams-Von-E-T-bis-A-I/15127069 The most relevant info is when he mentions that after going back to LA and before starting on Indy 5, he's going to finish Spielberg's latest film "which doesn't have a title yet". I guess nobody bothered to tell him… Can view video from the Netherlands, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: The most relevant info is when he mentions that after going back to LA and before starting on Indy 5, he's going to finish Spielberg's latest film "which doesn't have a title yet". I guess nobody bothered to tell him… Interesting! Maybe the recording sessions were split in half, or simply haven't started yet? Also wouldn't be surprised if Fabelmans is just a working title and the real title hasn't been decided/announced yet. This also gives Mangold another month to polish his director's cut before showing Williams (which I'm sure JW will appreciate, after his experiences on TFA and TROS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alex said: Maybe Spielberg didn’t tell him in case JW laughed and said “No, but seriously, what’s the real title?” Could have used it as revenge for Jaws. Brando, WilliamsStarShip2282 and Fabulin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias 267 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, JonathanAsh said: I see your (or her) point on volume vs. refinement, but I do think there were lots of moments of wonderfully musical, ‘refined’ playing: The horn solo (Saturday’s flub notwithstanding) in Leia’s theme, the gorgeous soaring strings in E.T. or the passionate way the celli and horns sang Fawkes’ theme together… Definitely not just the flute. That part of the review confused me as well. I have no idea what this kind of journalism does for anyone. Is she trying to make fun of the plebs who don‘t have good taste in music? Or is she just sincerely surprised at how joyfully the audience applauded? The solos were great for the most part and principal flutist Karl-Heinz Schütz was gleefully attacking every phrase, not just the solo parts. I guess I was trying to say that the second half had a lot of heroic, full tilt brass and maybe playing with the dynamics and the balance would've brought out more orchestral details in some pieces. E.T. was probably my personal highlight - just beautiful playing all around! Anyway, it was a fantastic concert! The concert critics are just taken aback by the frequency of the standing ovations. Don't make too much of it, they just live in a different bubble than us. Consider on the flip side that some JWFanners have accused the Saturday audience of lacking enthusiasm, because there wasn't a standing ovation every time. I'm pretty sure that the program was structured in such a way that there wasn't supposed to be long applause inside of the Harry Potter, Indiana Jones and Star Wars blocks, which is why JW after some pieces didn't really turn around to acknowledge the audience on Saturday. 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: Young(ish)er players overall. Which some here will again complain about as a supposed snub towards Williams; others even before the concert saw it as a reason to expect a better rehearsed performance. Steude as concertmaster was a definite upgrade, otherwise it was also pretty much as good as it gets (though the lineup for the first concert was also good). Schütz, Schorn, Dervaux, Lenaerts, they are all great. I didn't see the horn section well from where I was sitting... was it Janezic messing up the horn solo? If so, we can't complain there either, because he's the best. JonathanAsh and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 10 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Here's a 7ish minutes long bit from Austrian TV with excerpts of what seems to originally have been a longer interview (overdubbed in German) - though it's probably region blocked outside Austria: https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/kulturMontag/13886866/kulturMontag/14127980/John-Williams-Von-E-T-bis-A-I/15127069 The most relevant info is when he mentions that after going back to LA and before starting on Indy 5, he's going to finish Spielberg's latest film "which doesn't have a title yet". I guess nobody bothered to tell him… I love the way John Williams always talks in such a way that it's both possible that he loves Anne-Sophie and that's why he writes pieces for her, or that he's held captive by her and coerced into writing. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 11 hours ago, PetePan said: In the Netherlands we also say that a band makes 'een nieuwe plaat'. But that as well is a general reference to vinyl, CD, or even streaming. Ps. Interesting note on the door: Please put phones into fly-mode. Direct to disc... Something to do with interference? Was this photo taken in the Musikverein? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Matthias said: Consider on the flip side that some JWFanners have accused the Saturday audience of lacking enthusiasm, because there wasn't a standing ovation every time. I'm pretty sure that the program was structured in such a way that there wasn't supposed to be long applause inside of the Harry Potter, Indiana Jones and Star Wars blocks, which is why JW after some pieces didn't really turn around to acknowledge the audience on Saturday. The biggest ones with whooing and all were after Hedwig, Throne Room, Flying and of course the Imp March. Funny that the latter with its repetitive ostinato opening almost seems designed to accomodate the audience's surprise clapping when they realise what it is, without really losing anything of worth under it! Matthias and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetePan 163 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BB-8 said: Was this photo taken in the Musikverein? Really? Yep. As said at the corridor of the Parterre right. Close to the men's toilets...😁 BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, PetePan said: Yep. As said at the corridor of the Parterre right. Close to the men's toilets...😁 Thanks! Good evidence that it was properly recorded. I had to go for a slash so didn't manage any interval research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetePan 163 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, BB-8 said: Thanks! Good evidence that it was properly recorded. I had to go for a slash so didn't manage any interval research. I'm always looking around. Here, I spotted the glockenspiel and the rest of the percussion after the concert...😊 Matthias and BB-8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, PetePan said: I'm always looking around. Here, I spotted the glockenspiel and the rest of the percussion after the concert...😊 That door could be a prop for Tatooine. Real shabby chic! mahler3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanAsh 80 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 10 hours ago, Matthias said: The concert critics are just taken aback by the frequency of the standing ovations. Don't make too much of it, they just live in a different bubble than us. Yes, you’re right. I think what upsets me is the general attitude of people who think they know ‘how something should be’, and then don‘t accept that other people might feel differently. That’s the kind of impression that review left on me a little bit. apples and Matthias 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 10 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Here's a 7ish minutes long bit from Austrian TV with excerpts of what seems to originally have been a longer interview (overdubbed in German) - though it's probably region blocked outside Austria: https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/kulturMontag/13886866/kulturMontag/14127980/John-Williams-Von-E-T-bis-A-I/15127069 The most relevant info is when he mentions that after going back to LA and before starting on Indy 5, he's going to finish Spielberg's latest film "which doesn't have a title yet". I guess nobody bothered to tell him… Excellent, thanks! I see a red light! BuzzLightyear and Matthias 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 254 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just been looking in to that direct-to-disc process. It's fascinating really, stripping it all back to how it used to be. I know we're jumping to conclusions based on stickers on a door but... it's cool to think something interesting might be coming. Matthias and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, bigjimwilson said: Just been looking in to that direct-to-disc process. It's fascinating really, stripping it all back to how it used to be. I know we're jumping to conclusions based on stickers on a door but... it's cool to think something interesting might be coming. I agree. The same red light was also showing during the Emil Berliner Studio / Accentus production of Smetana's Ma Vlast in Bamberg. This tech really looks like something bought off a sand crawler. ;-) Smetana: Má vlast – Direct-to-disc recording, Limited edition – Bamberger Symphoniker, Jakub Hrůša | ACCENTUS Music It's just fun speculating! bigjimwilson, apples and Matthias 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 Reflections on the concerts performed by John Williams with the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra on March 12 and 13, 2022. The article also features an essay by @Miguel Andrade https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/03/15/john-williams-in-vienna-2022/ ricsim88, ChrisAfonso, Miguel Andrade and 6 others 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,123 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 20 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: That reminds me of something that I thought myself (and that I think I've been subconsciously thinking for a long time, but the concert made me more aware of it): Why will I never be a huge fan of the Superman march? It's nice and all, and I'm happy enough to hear it live, but it'll never be one of my favourites in pretty much any programme. And I think the reason is that it's just so overloaded, orchestration wise. There's lots of little flourishes and counterpointish bits that you can barely make out on CD, but in a live performance, you just hear a big mass of brass and percussion, sometimes woods, but almost no chance to make out anything from the strings aside from the ostinato - not even in Berlin with its extra transparent acoustics. It's a conscious decision, surely - the march was written just a year after Star Wars, the previous big main title march, where you can make out every relevant detail. But it certainly has an impact on its enjoyability, especially live, for me. The brief horn chorale of the love theme in the middle, performed by the Wiener horns, but glorious though (and the bit I was actively looking forward to). For me the arrangement is showing its age. I would love if Williams gave it some kind of update like he's done with Han Solo and the Princess. A little freshen up. The Prelude is a wonderful build up that I'd love to hear brought to the stage. And the extra bars of the ostinato with the "up and awaayyyy" brass from the film version. I will say the bass section of the Berliner Philharmoniker did a terrific job with the sharpness of their pronounced ostinato at the beginning of their recording. That was rather exciting. bigjimwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 No we don't want freshness!!! Even "Luke and Leia" is different since few years. Stop that now! Andy and WilliamsStarShip2282 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 254 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Andy said: For me the arrangement is showing its age. I would love if Williams gave it some kind of update like he's done with Han Solo and the Princess. A little freshen up. The Prelude is a wonderful build up that I'd love to hear brought to the stage. And the extra bars of the ostinato with the "up and awaayyyy" brass from the film version. I will say the bass section of the Berliner Philharmoniker did a terrific job with the sharpness of their pronounced ostinato at the beginning of their recording. That was rather exciting. I would love exactly that... for the film prelude and the up and away to be in there. My two favourite bits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, TownerFan said: Reflections on the concerts performed by John Williams with the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra on March 12 and 13, 2022. The article also features an essay by @Miguel Andrade https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/03/15/john-williams-in-vienna-2022/ Excellent words from both you and @Miguel Andrade, very nice gentlemen! BB-8, Miguel Andrade, TownerFan and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Bespin said: No we don't want freshness!!! Even "Luke and Leia" is different since few years. That's not freshness, that's just taking out a vital part and perhaps just forgetting to put it back in again. bollemanneke and rpvee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,473 Posted March 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2022 michael_grig, tmarps, BuzzLightyear and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 On 15/03/2022 at 12:59 AM, Matthias said: Steude as concertmaster was a definite upgrade, otherwise it was also pretty much as good as it gets (though the lineup for the first concert was also good). Schütz, Schorn, Dervaux, Lenaerts, they are all great. I didn't see the horn section well from where I was sitting... was it Janezic messing up the horn solo? If so, we can't complain there either, because he's the best. Yes it was Janezic that played the horn solos on both days. After the Saturday performance, I was very happy that there was only one real flub on Sunday in "Leia's Theme". BB-8 and Matthias 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Martinland and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,473 Posted March 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2022 The final encore was already showing up here. 12th March 2022 GlastoEls, aj_vader, crlbrg and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nemesis 245 Posted March 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2022 Here's a short snippet from sunday's concert last encore. Darth Vader.mp4 crlbrg, Holko, Matthias and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 After sunday's concert at the "Hotel Imperial". 20220313_140648.mp4 BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Come on, what's that guy trying to do?? Does he have terminal cancer and he thinks touching Williams will heal him or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Looks rather hectical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, eitam said: Come on, what's that guy trying to do?? Does he have terminal cancer and he thinks touching Williams will heal him or something? Looks like the same guy from the Berlin concerts 😀 BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 His phone was broken in two pieces after the bodyguard held him back. But that's ok IMHO. pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Found some press photos of the "Imperial March" here: https://www.imago-images.de/fotos-bilder?suchtext=John+Williams+komponist&suchselect=&datum1=&datum2=&datumsbereich=01.01.1753&premfil=&ausrichtung=alle&ausrichtung=hoch&ausrichtung=quer&ausrichtung=quadrat&release=alle&thumbsAnzeige=off&gal_start=1&tokenName=JcwnjATwep&tokenValue=ySapvMD56F6bxsdZje4RA049ScJHOIYa5dxnmXFwgd2fnqYQVCS1rw7tSk1Xp4m0&suchtyp=100&sortEs=0&seite=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, eitam said: Does he have terminal cancer and he thinks touching Williams will heal him or something? He tried to tap him to either give him something or have it signed. In either case, tasteless behaviour. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,473 Posted March 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 14/03/2022 at 8:42 PM, PetePan said: Below image was posted on Emil Berliner Studios' Instagram-account. Note the same door, water bottles, chair, collapsable tables, etc. There is a direct-to-disc turntable to be seen (behind the lady with headphones). Oh joy! rpvee, PetePan, crlbrg and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 So we get a recording of the concert...on LP? Well... Matthias and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nemesis said: So we get a recording of the concert...on LP? Well... If DG release this, which is rather likely, then they could do various packages with CD only and/or limited numbered direct-to-disc vinyl editions etc., etc., etc. etc.,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 But why would they use a turntable? Or am I missing something? Wouldn't a digital recording be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, BB-8 said: If DG release this, which is rather likely, then they could do various packages with CD only and/or limited numbered direct-to-disc vinyl editions etc., etc., etc. etc.,... Ok, that sounds promising. I really hope for a CD or Hi-Res download release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: But why would they use a turntable? Or am I missing something? Wouldn't a digital recording be better? I also don't really see the advantage. It seems to be quite a hassle getting everything right. On the other hand the method does not allow any editing. So if they have recorded JW speeches as well they will be complete with "the warts and all". Direct-to-disc recording - Wikipedia Someone did detect a tape recorder and maybe they also had some digital back-up...who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 But they can just edit the final material afterwards, right? I mean, we're not getting what they literally recorded, I'm sure. They'd want to go for the best takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: But they can just edit the final material afterwards, right? I mean, we're not getting what they literally recorded, I'm sure. They'd want to go for the best takes. Only if they rip the direct-to-disc recording onto a digital media. But as far as I've understood, this is not the point. Vinyl copies are made directly from the master disc. Some conductors (Hrusa, Haitink) have even signed the master discs in the middle - so you would get a copy of that signature too. I honestly cannot imagine that they did a live direct-to-disc. But the red light and mic during rehearsals could mean that they did some direct-to-disc takes before the concert (without the distraction from the audience). 3 hours ago, BB-8 said: Found some press photos of the "Imperial March" here: https://www.imago-images.de/fotos-bilder?suchtext=John+Williams+komponist&suchselect=&datum1=&datum2=&datumsbereich=01.01.1753&premfil=&ausrichtung=alle&ausrichtung=hoch&ausrichtung=quer&ausrichtung=quadrat&release=alle&thumbsAnzeige=off&gal_start=1&tokenName=JcwnjATwep&tokenValue=ySapvMD56F6bxsdZje4RA049ScJHOIYa5dxnmXFwgd2fnqYQVCS1rw7tSk1Xp4m0&suchtyp=100&sortEs=0&seite=1 That coat is at least 20 years old. bollemanneke and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderB 3 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Regarding the guy that tapped John Williams in front of the Hotel; both ways of looking at it it’s sad. His behavior was a bit cheeky and a no Go, on the other Hand somehow you have to get noticed. And then again the bodyguards are of course only doing there job in this case, but has it to be that harsh I mean you can judge in a second if someone is a danger or not. This guy seemed like a fan that wanted to get something signed or so I guess John Williams himself is way cooler as most of his crew around him. Tricky situation... BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I hope this guy is not on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eitam 364 Posted March 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexanderB said: on the other Hand somehow you have to get noticed Well, no. Fabulin, JTN and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Bespin said: I hope this guy is not on this forum! JayZ, you mean? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderB 3 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I think that some people sometimes don’t understand for whom they work for. Of course there are always guys like autograph hunters and so on and if this guy was a common face I get the reaction of the guard. But people that work for someone like John Williams have to understand that he is not a hero or a legend for us... he is something truly godlike so in the Fan Community there is a whole different level of respect for him than maybe compared to a pop star. And on top of that you have to realize the situation. We are talking about a very urban address, fans that rush to his hotel after maybe flying around half the globe only to see him are not the people that are willing to harm or annoy I’m in any way... I guess. when I was in the Berlin concert there were two people behind me and they said something like „what trash is this, it’s miles away from Mahler“. I was so shocked by such a wrong statement but after reflecting it I thought „well even though these two lady’s are absolutely wrong when it comes to the quality of music, I get why they think that. People got thrown out the Philharmonie because they wanted an autograph“. He got treated way stiffer then he (I think) is. I don’t have a clue who the guy on the video is but imagine you maybe paid a lot of money and invested a lot of work to see you idol one time and then you get treated like a stalker and your phone gets broken. I guess a Nice but dominant „not here sir“ would have been enough 😄🤷🏽♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Fans are the most dangerous people on the planet, you should know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 They probably thought it was HanZ and didn't want to take any chances. crlbrg and AlexanderB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderB 3 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bespin said: Fans are the most dangerous people on the planet, you should know that! I totally agree with you but in my opinion and I can only hope that I speak for all of us here; this classic "fan-mobbed" situation is something we don’t want for John Williams. This is something that could happen very well if he would go through a Star Wars convention or so but I guess middle age people like the guy on the video that do have the Information that he will be at this certain entrance of this exact hotel in that time even though this concert was close to not advertised at all... these 10 people are most likely the ones John Williams REALLY want to surround himself. I wish I had knew that it is possible to see him for a second after the concert 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetePan 163 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 hours ago, BB-8 said: Below image was posted on Emil Berliner Studios' Instagram-account. Note the same door, water bottles, chair, collapsable tables, etc. There is a direct-to-disc turntable to be seen (behind the lady with headphones). Oh joy! We'll I'm glad that I spotted it well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now