John Williams returns to Vienna! March 12/13 2022

[GlastoEls 556]

1 hour ago, Chewy said:

So Deutsche Grammophon will release "Fawkes the Phoenix" as a single tomorrow (november 11): https://music.apple.com/nz/album/fawkes-the-phoenix-from-harry-potter-and-the/1652091889

 

Seems like this 2022 Vienna concert will be released too  !

 

 

 

This will be a day long remembered!

[BB-8 3,461]

1 hour ago, Leitmotif said:

Is this cover from Vienna 2022? 

Nope, I think.

[GlastoEls 556]

1 hour ago, Leitmotif said:

Is this cover from Vienna 2022? 

No - Vienna 1. 

[BB-8 3,461]

3 hours ago, Chewy said:

So Deutsche Grammophon will release "Fawkes the Phoenix" as a single tomorrow (november 11): https://music.apple.com/nz/album/fawkes-the-phoenix-from-harry-potter-and-the/1652091889

 

Seems like this 2022 Vienna concert will be released too  !

 

 

 

Cool, with sample! 

 

[bollemanneke 3,337]

YES!! So does the image say when the full thing is coming?

[michael_grig 464]

3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

YES!! So does the image say when the full thing is coming?

No.

[Leitmotif 21]

2 hours ago, GlastoEls said:

No - Vienna 1. 

Compared to the cover of 2020 Vienna, I also think its is Vienna 1. 

I hope the final release will have another take on Vienna 2.

[Tydirium 1,166]

Why exactly do we think there will be a full album release?

[WilliamsStarShip2282 308]

2 hours ago, Tydirium said:

Why exactly do we think there will be a full album release?

 

I was thinking the same, especially since they are still peddling the tanglewood recording of the concerto. but I wouldn't put it past them to sell both either...

[Tydirium 1,166]

46 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said:

 

I was thinking the same, especially since they are still peddling the tanglewood recording of the concerto. but I wouldn't put it past them to sell both either...

 

I was thinking that one reason for releasing Fawkes in particular, might be that—aside from Sound the Bells—it is the only piece from these Vienna/Berlin concerts which DG has not yet released a recording of Williams conducting. For example, the tracks that were omitted from the first Vienna album had already been featured on the "Across the Stars" album; likewise, almost every piece on the 2022 Vienna program has already been featured on the Berlin album (and the Violin Concerto No. 2 on the Boston album earlier this year).

 

Of course, I'd still love to get a full album of the 2022 Vienna concert. But I guess part of me wonders if DG is willing to release that much duplication of repertoire, with the same conductor within about a single year. We'll see.

[BB-8 3,461]

9 hours ago, BB-8 said:

 

Out on YouTube!

[BB-8 3,461]

Is there something missing at around 2:20?

[lairdo 726]

I guess they are releasing this because of The Fabelmans and riding on an assumption of JW trending in searches due to the soundtrack release. Not that I am complaining. It's a really lovely. Somewhat different than other renditions.

 

Besides streaming, I notice that HDTracks has it for sale for $3 (although HDLISTEN20 will drop that and other new releases by 20% through Monday). I don't see it on Presto or Qobuz yet (not that I looked that hard).

 

Anyway, super happy to have this and also hope we get Vienna 2 in some format or another.

[BB-8 3,461]

9 hours ago, Tydirium said:

Why exactly do we think there will be a full album release?

The tech specs of the YouTube release confirm it's Emil Berliner with DG/Universal. I consider it unlikely that they would just post a single track without further plans for a full physical album.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

I'm gonna say it. I don't like the... sound of the orchestra. And the tempo is too slow, again.

[Mr. Who 919]

Fawkes sounds great! Looking forward to the full album.

[Remco 685]

9 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

I'm gonna say it. I don't like the... sound of the orchestra. And the tempo is too slow, again.

 

Aw come on, it still has energy. It's just a hair slower.

 

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Maybe, but all the Berlin cues have more of it.

[Pawel P. 738]

14 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Maybe, but all the Berlin cues have more of it.

 

They don't have "Fawkes the Phoenix".

 

Fabulous performance. Very looking forward to the album. It'll definitely be released. Repetitions of certain pieces don't matter that much in a classical music world. What matters more is that Williams conducted most of them with this particular orchestra for the first time.

 

[Amer 2,080]

17 hours ago, Chewy said:

So Deutsche Grammophon will release "Fawkes the Phoenix" as a single tomorrow (november 11): https://music.apple.com/nz/album/fawkes-the-phoenix-from-harry-potter-and-the/1652091889

 

Seems like this 2022 Vienna concert will be released too  !

 

 

 

Golly! Id already forgotten this had happend!!!

 

I think it will make a great Holiday release. CD /Bluray &  SACD included as well. Right ? @lairdo

[BB-8 3,461]

https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/catalogue/products/williams-fawkes-the-phoenix-12857

[Pawel P. 738]

6 minutes ago, Amer said:

I think it will make a great Holiday release. CD /Bluray &  SACD included as well. Right ? @lairdo

 

Unfortunately, that concert wasn't filmed.

[rough cut 1,714]

Wait, John Williams went back to Vienna???

[Amer 2,080]

37 minutes ago, Pawel P. said:

 

Unfortunately, that concert wasn't filmed.

Oh right!  I remember now!  The CD should be quicker then! 

[BB-8 3,461]

50 minutes ago, rough cut said:

Wait, John Williams went back to Vienna???

Yes, he stayed at the Imperial, March 2022.

 

2 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

I'm gonna say it. I don't like the... sound of the orchestra. And the tempo is too slow, again.

What is your benchmark? The OST?

[bollemanneke 3,337]

No, Berlin and Dudamel.

[Marian Schedenig 8,172]

19 hours ago, Jay said:

Why would DG use an image from a different concert for this?

 

Fixed.  I don't know why they would, but I also think it looks like it's a still from 2020. The orchestra setup was different in 2022:

 

[Holko 9,499]

When you compare it to the 2020 CD cover, it's virtually the same image from the same angle, same players in same positions with same clothes and hair.

[GlastoEls 556]

14 minutes ago, Holko said:

When you compare it to the 2020 CD cover, it's virtually the same image from the same angle, same players in same positions with same clothes and hair.

Correct.  
 

But bizarre!

[BB-8 3,461]

2 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

No, Berlin and Dudamel.

Unfortunately, the Berliners didn't do Fawkes.

 

Their HPWW is really a benchmark version - VPO won't top that because the ritardando was less pronounced. 

 

Had forgotten about LA/Dude...

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Oh I know they didn't do Fawkes in Berlin, just meant the overall... performance quality.

[BB-8 3,461]

Perhaps we should send DG some of our pics from Vienna 2022...

 

24 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Oh I know they didn't do Fawkes in Berlin, just meant the overall... performance quality.

That's why we need a recording of the Milan Concert, too. It's so rewarding comparing different versions.

[JonathanAsh 80]

Oh my God that’s so exciting!! I can‘t wait for the rest of the concert to be released!

[Tydirium 1,166]

2 hours ago, BB-8 said:

Unfortunately, the Berliners didn't do Fawkes.

 

Their HPWW is really a benchmark version - VPO won't top that because the ritardando was less pronounced. 

 

Had forgotten about LA/Dude...

 

The glaring trumpet flub at 3:45 keeps Berlin's HPWW from being a benchmark, for me. It's not like it's just some random accompaniment note—it's the melody, flubbed by the loudest instrument that plays it.

 

Not only that, but it's the only time that that phrase (the first part of the Hogwarts Forever theme) shows up in the piece. So, if this were the only recording of the piece that you ever heard, there is literally not a single correct appearance of that phrase anywhere to be found in the recording.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Can't you regard it as a tremolo on the G?

[JohnnyD 1,220]

On 10/11/2022 at 1:26 PM, Chewy said:

So Deutsche Grammophon will release "Fawkes the Phoenix" as a single tomorrow (november 11): https://music.apple.com/nz/album/fawkes-the-phoenix-from-harry-potter-and-the/1652091889

 

Seems like this 2022 Vienna concert will be released too  !

 

 

 

 

This is a nice surprise!

[Amer 2,080]

So they will eventually announce it for the holiday season? 

[Joni Wiljami 1,206]

Yes the flub people are back!!

Amazing concerts but their lives are ruined by a flub.

[BB-8 3,461]

Just realising that Fawkes has become a fully fledged Williams piece as opposed to the feeling back in 2002 when this was considered more a Ross adaptation.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

6 hours ago, Amer said:

So they will eventually announce it for the holiday season? 

Seems unlikely as the marketing has only just begun. Wouldn't this be a spring thing?

[Jay 37,285]

3 hours ago, BB-8 said:

Just realising that Fawkes has become a fully fledged Williams piece as opposed to the feeling back in 2002 when this was considered more a Ross adaptation.

 

What!? 

[Ale Gere 0]

 

On 11/11/2022 at 2:03 PM, bollemanneke said:

No, Berlin and Dudamel.

 Hello Everyone !

 

The piece was a surpise ! I listened live the Dudamel version, and he always miss the last theme repetition: for me too light percussions and brass among the original

 

 

[BB-8 3,461]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

 

What!? 

Probably subjective. But I can remember the subtle disappointment back then, because COS wasn"t advertised as being 100% JW.

[Jay 37,285]

I think you're inventing a false history. It's always been understood the concert arrangements were pure JW. 

[igger6 894]

This is great!  Fawkes is so criminally under-programmed that any release is a good one.  And the tempo change (barely perceptible to me) just brings out other elements of the orchestration I hadn't focused on before.

 

So now I just have to decide whether to buy this single or wait and see on an album (especially with the potential for an album with the new fanfare on it!).

[BB-8 3,461]

On 11/11/2022 at 3:38 PM, Holko said:

When you compare it to the 2020 CD cover, it's virtually the same image from the same angle, same players in same positions with same clothes and hair.

 

This looks like a third version from the same angle:

 

Standard version:

 

Fa(w)kes version:

[BB-8 3,461]

Vienna Philharmonic, John Williams

 

NEW DG single releases announced!

 

"Sound the bells!" - December 2 2022

 

“March of the Resistance” - February 3 2023

 

 

..."Bereits am 11. November wurde die Single “Fawkes the Phoenix” mit Ausschnitten der Filmmusik aus dem zweiten Harry Potter-Film “Harry Potter und die Kammer des Schreckens” veröffentlicht. Am 2. Dezember erscheint die Single “Sound the bells!”, eine festliche Fanfare, für die sich Williams von traditionellen japanischen Tempelglocken inspirieren ließ. Am 3. Februar 2023 folgt schließlich die dritte Single mit Williams' “March of the Resistance” aus dem Film “Star Wars: Das Erwachen der Macht”.

 

Source:

John Williams | News | Reich bestücktes Jubiläumsjahr zum 90. Geburtstag von John Williams (deutschegrammophon.com)

 

unofficial translation:

The single “Fawkes the Phoenix” with excerpts of the film music from the second Harry Potter film “Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets” was released on November 11th. December 2 will see the release of the single "Sound the bells!", a celebratory fanfare inspired by traditional Japanese temple bells. Finally, on February 3, 2023, the third single will follow with Williams' “March of the Resistance” from the film “Star Wars: The Force Awakens”."

[Jay 37,285]

Neat!

Are these the only 3 pieces played at this concert that weren't played at the first Vienna concert or Berlin?

[BB-8 3,461]

28 minutes ago, Jay said:

Neat!

Are these the only 3 pieces played at this concert that weren't played at the first Vienna concert or Berlin?

There was also VC No. 2 with selected film arrangements but that is all covered by Tanglewood/Boston...

 

Still hoping for a full physical release of Vienna II early 2023!

[Marian Schedenig 8,172]

I just hope all these singles don't mean they're releasing *only* the new stuff and not doing an album.