New article on JW on Variety: 'The Fabelmans' confirmed, recording next month

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

13 hours ago, Jay said:

If Spielberg makes a film that comes out in 2024 that Johnny scores, their 30th feature film collaboration will happen on the 50th anniversary of their first one

What a nice date to release the complete score produced by Michael Mattesino!

 

Oh Wait, what was the name of the film, again?

[rough cut 1,714]

I do kinda hope that this is a jazzy score, but still lyrical as a whole, maybe interspersed with some intimate pieces a la The Accidental Tourist, Heidi or Pete ‘N’ Tillie.

[mrbellamy 6,272]

I mainly just hear Stanley & Iris when I think about it. I'm not sure what it'll be. I'm excited to eventually see a trailer probably later in the summer/fall, hopefully some score will be in there.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

I imagine it would be a lot like Dear Basketball with The Post/Lincoln thrown in.

And a couple scherzos

[King Mark 3,625]

I think I'll be an emotional score, with noble themes and lots of strings and horns

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I dunno, I can see it having a lot “period flavor”.  Maybe parts could even be pastiche of TV/film scores of the time as the Spielberg stand-in gets obsessed with pop culture 

[Bespin 8,479]

Another JW Jewish score, yeah!

[mrbellamy 6,272]

This is the thing is there are a few different elements at play between the period setting, divorce drama, the young Spielberg character dreaming of filmmaking, even the family's Jewishness. It's just like, whatever the balance is and where JW is enhancing, whatever the arc of the music is gonna be. It seems like it should be a relatively soft score, tonally, but it could go in different directions.

[blondheim 1,157]

It's the most exciting scoring assignment in recent memory. I'm relatively certain this is unprecedented.

[mrbellamy 6,272]

Unprecedented in what way? 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Amarcord is the most obvious precedent.

 

It was a director (Fellini) making an autobiographical film about his childhood scored by his longtime musical collaborator and close friend (Nino Rota).

 

[TownerFan 4,983]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

Amarcord is the most obvious precedent.

 

It was a director (Fellini) making an autobiographical film about his childhood scored by his longtime musical collaborator and close friend (Nino Rota).

 

 

Amarcord was a mixture of highly fictionalized recollections from both Fellini and writer Tonino Guerra, who wrote the film with him. Actually, some people think that most of the stuff actually comes from Guerra, with Fellini putting his own stamp into it.

 

In this regard, it will be interesting to see if Kushner has inserted some autobiographical stuff of his own into the mix.

[blondheim 1,157]

5 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Amarcord is the most obvious precedent.

 

It was a director (Fellini) making an autobiographical film about his childhood scored by his longtime musical collaborator and close friend (Nino Rota).

 

 

I was about to ask if anyone knew of any other time this had happened. It still feels different with these two collaborators. Maybe it's merely more personal to me but it feels like a very intimate score. I can't imagine how special these sessions with Spielberg and Williams at the piano were.

[Thor 7,465]

I'm expecting a score like THE BFG and THE BOOK THIEF, but I'm hoping for a score like ANGELA'S ASHES, STANLEY & IRIS, THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST etc.

[Tom 4,637]

2 hours ago, blondheim said:

 

I was about to ask if anyone knew of any other time this had happened. It still feels different with these two collaborators. Maybe it's merely more personal to me but it feels like a very intimate score. I can't imagine how special these sessions with Spielberg and Williams at the piano were.

Why are you crying Steven?  

 

That music is so harsh and dissonant?  Why would you write that about me?

 

Oh, my mistake.  I am also working on a proper piano concerto.  Assistant, get me my movie notes.  

[Jay 37,287]

JW mentioned at the Vienna concerts this weekend that he is returning to LA to work on Indiana Jones 5, which could be an indication that Fabelmans is already recorded

[Tom 4,637]

Or he has enough pride to not use the word "Fabelmans" publicly.  

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

"Steven has written a film about Seth Fabelman. Harry Potter rides him at some point."

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

Will we get a Seth Rogen John Williams recording session photo out of this?

[Tom 4,637]

Williams is no doubt starting Indy soon.  I wonder, though, if he doesn't have a week or so of recording left for the Fabelmans.  I am surprised absolutely nothing has leaked about the sessions thus far (assuming they have happened).  That is a lot of musicians and such showing tremendous self-control on their Twitter, et al. accounts.  

 

Mangold mentioned he was on to editing.  How long does that generally take for a competent* director?

 

*Just to be clear, by "competent," I mean someone other than Abrams.  

[Alex 2,833]

JJ doesn’t even have an editor. He just puts every cut of all the scenes he’s filmed in a hat and pulls out a different combination every day.

[Muad'Dib 1,801]

In all fairness, Abrams must have had Disney breathing on his neck like we couldn't imagine.

[Alex 2,833]

6 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said:

In all fairness, Abrams must have had Disney breathing on his neck like we couldn't imagine.

 
True, but RJ seemed to have an extremely smooth post-production, and this was his first blockbuster.

[WilliamsStarShip2282 308]

I still to this day, out of all the directors they could have picked, why HIM (Jar Jar Abrams)....besides being Spielberg's pet. He's produced a lot, but his directing credits to this day still are very small, and the three big ones were Star Trek movies....which all he did was re-make.

[Jay 37,287]

He directed two Star Trek movies - Justin Lin directed the third (and it came out after TFA anyway) 

[Muad'Dib 1,801]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

 
True, but RJ seemed to have an extremely smooth post-production, and this was his first blockbuster.

 

That's why I'm thinking the production of ROS must have a nightmare, with the suits wanting to "fix" as much as possible in the smallest amount of time possible.

[mrbellamy 6,272]

Fincher didn’t want it, Brad Bird didn’t want it, they were asked. Probably other auteurs they might have met were too wise to keep out of it. JJ’s a friendly guy and a studio professional, probably easy to work with under high pressure. He had three movies with a fourth on deck which looks small but 3/4 of those cost over $100 million and were successful. Trek 09 was about as much of a 1:1 Star Wars audition on paper as anyone had made. He writes and produces, he’d been in the business 20+ years. He was a good combo of a pretty steady veteran and somebody young enough to try to give it a different energy. We can shit on his taste or methods or whatever but he was a completely understandable choice, it’s not like some big mystery box. 

[GerateWohl 4,335]

5 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

Fincher didn’t want it, Brad Bird didn’t want it, they were asked. Probably other auteurs they might have met were too wise to keep out of it. JJ’s a friendly guy and a studio professional, probably easy to work with under high pressure. He had three movies with a fourth on deck which looks small but 3/4 of those cost over $100 million and were successful. Trek 09 was about as much of a 1:1 Star Wars audition on paper as anyone had made. He writes and produces, he’d been in the business 20+ years. He was a good combo of a pretty steady veteran and somebody young enough to try to give it a different energy. We can shit on his taste or methods or whatever but he was a completely understandable choice, it’s not like some big mystery box. 

But you cannot finalize a 40 year nine movie saga with mystery boxes. And all you wrote does not justify the decision to let him write the movie.

 

8 hours ago, Alex said:

 True, but RJ seemed to have an extremely smooth post-production, and this was his first blockbuster.

I heard, he partly let Williams record the music in advance and edited then the movie to it.

[Gurkensalat 336]

On 07/02/2022 at 10:44 PM, Jay said:

If Spielberg makes a film that comes out in 2024 that Johnny scores, their 30th feature film collaboration will happen on the 50th anniversary of their first one

 

This would be perfect of course. My personal dream would be that to be a second Tintin movie, assuming that Jackson has no interested in it any more. It would allow Williams IMO best qualities to shine once more and the production would allow for a lot of time for composing and revising. Start filming Mocap in Autumn, composing during rendering/postproduction in 2023 and releasing Spring 2024. one can dream...

 

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43 minutes ago, Gurkensalat said:

My personal dream would be that to be a second Tintin movie, assuming that Jackson has no interested in it any more. It would allow Williams IMO best qualities to shine once more 

 

 

Agreed. And seeing as he has programmed The Duel twice in concert, one can hope that he looks back fondly on the movie and its music and would give serious consideration to composing for a sequel. 

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

Dream shared. Tintin 2 is the almost abandoned project I'm looking the most forward to. And Williams coming back for a Temple of the Sun with Inca's chant and orchestration would be neat

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

Tintin sequel ain't happening in a million years folks. The truth of the matter is the film underperformed compared to expectation and both Jackson and Spielberg have no interest in it anymore.

[Jay 37,287]

1 hour ago, Gurkensalat said:

My personal dream would be that to be a second Tintin movie

 

The first film's mo-cap was "filmed" from January to March 2009, and the film released in October of 2011, just shy of 3 full years later.  There's no way the next Tintin film is coming out in 2024 unless they've secret already filmed it.

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

On 13/03/2022 at 8:23 PM, Tom said:

Or he has enough pride to not use the word "Fabelmans" publicly.  

 

Apparently, nobody even bothered to tell him the title.

 

[Alex 2,833]

So he’s going home to finish up The Fabelmans. Spielberg must have been sweating as his 90 year old composer travelled half way across the world and back, leaving a half written score.

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

So he’s going home to finish up The Fabelmans. Spielberg must have been sweating as his 90 year old composer travelled half way across the world and back, leaving a half written score.

 

Perhaps it's fully written and just not yet recorded.

[Alex 2,833]

That’s my hope (just in case the unthinkable happens).

[Tom 4,637]

1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Apparently, nobody even bothered to tell him the title.

 

The last time someone referred to a title as undetermined: 

 

[Arpy 4,145]

On 14/03/2022 at 12:11 PM, Alex said:

 
True, but RJ seemed to have an extremely smooth post-production, and this was his first blockbuster.

Abrams had to open the trilogy and end it, which is no easy task. I know people like to pile shit on him, but I couldn't imagine any director put in such a delicate situation where the fandom was holding their balls in a vice, and KK and Disney holding a gun to their backs would turn out ok...

[Gurkensalat 336]

19 hours ago, Jay said:

 

The first film's mo-cap was "filmed" from January to March 2009, and the film released in October of 2011, just shy of 3 full years later.  There's no way the next Tintin film is coming out in 2024 unless they've secret already filmed it.

 

Technology has advanced in the last 13 years; perhaps it would be possible to do the rendering in shorter time now. 

[mrbellamy 6,272]

4 hours ago, Arpy said:

Abrams had to open the trilogy and end it, which is no easy task. I know people like to pile shit on him, but I couldn't imagine any director put in such a delicate situation where the fandom was holding their balls in a vice, and KK and Disney holding a gun to their backs would turn out ok...

 

It would have been entirely possible to get a better trilogy under these circumstances, but you have to factor in magic and the elusive nature of moviemaking. Everybody loves to wax on about the PLANNING and PASSION in Peter Jackson's LOTR but that dude was under some of the most insane financial and industry pressure of all-time in 1999. There's really no earthly explanation for how well those (or any) movies turned out as both critical and popular hits despite all the hard work and good intentions in the world. You just have to throw your hands up because it's alchemic. Although they did have a classic novel written by a literary genius which was no guarantee of 1-3 good movies but something to shoot for, anyway.

 

I kinda love Force Awakens and kinda hate Rise of Skywalker, so I'm split on Abrams' Star Wars. There were surely better endings and I think there are some basic hack standards that 9 fails to meet, but it certainly exposed problems in 7 that I was always happier to excuse in hopes that the finale would highlight its strengths. I still think it's an entertaining and heartwarming movie in its own right and it was so much fun in 2015. In retrospect the sequels were ill-conceived. I wouldn't deny that anymore.

 

But I can be sympathetic enough to all involved. I think the biggest underlying issue was that Disney was out $4 billion and wanted those mf Star Wars movies in theaters asap. Michael Arndt WANTED to take as much time as possible and he apparently didn't have it nailed after a year of writing so he quit or was fired or whatever. Neither Abrams nor Kasdan were supposed to write Episode VII but just had to get on with it because that was the homework - and quite frankly because the fanbase who want everybody drawn and quartered for not "taking their time with a great trilogy plan" would have still been calling for heads if we had to wait another week for the damn thing lmao. Also they still would have had to account for Carrie Fisher's death.

 

Maybe if we were just getting Episode IX this year it still would have turned out pretty crap after all the planning in the world. Maybe we would have gotten a trilogy that was ALL the way up its own ass. That's Hollywood! The disasters are part of why I love following movies. I got myself three Star Wars CDs by John Williams that didn't exist ten years ago, I'm never gonna bitch about them knocking those things out fast.