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John Williams' Piano Concerto (upcoming)


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Considering he always writes his concerti for specific soloists, I wonder who he is planning this with.  The most obvious candidate is Gloria Cheng, but it could be Lang Lang or someone else I suppose.

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1 minute ago, Tom said:

I still think the scherzo and now prelude will be morphed into a larger concerto

 

I was wondering about that too

 

 

1 minute ago, Tom said:

And, probably really, really difficult to play.   

 

You really think so?

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3 hours ago, Tom said:

It is interesting that the reporter uses the term "visions" for the Cello piece, but "planning" for the concerto.  It reads as if it is his next big project--presumably after he finishes Indy. 

 

I still think the scherzo and now prelude will be morphed into a larger concerto--the scherzo, in particular, plays as its own movement.  I am not heard the prelude, so I am less confident about that.

 

Either way, I think it will be a "big" concerto, along the lines of the recent one for violin.  A full half hour, generous use of the orchestra, impressionistic and dissonant at the edges but with a tonal center.  And, probably really, really difficult to play.   

Agreed on all points. I would love if he also incorporated jazz elements into this concerto (jazz rhythms, progressions, colors…). Several of us here have hoped for awhile he would reach back into his jazz roots more often.

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I want a big romantic piano concerto like Tchaikovsky's, but I also want a jazz infused one that sounds like Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue. I'm asking for too much.

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The piano is indeed also a percussive instrument so it makes sense 🙂 The Scherzo has some very interesting percussion breaks dialoguing with the piano.

 

I think JW will write something completely new and won’t repurpose/adapt the Prelude and Scherzo into a larger work. Or maybe he will, who knows. I’m fairly confident he will write it for Gloria, as it seems they have a special relationship going on since a few years, plus she’s always been at the forefront performing new music.

 

As for the style, it very much depends on the person he has in mind. I’d love something in which he could channel also his love for jazz.

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4 hours ago, TownerFan said:

I’d love something in which he could channel also his love for jazz.


Of course when jazz has been an acknowledged reference point in his concert works in the past, it’s always in a very oblique or metaphorical way.  I’d similarly love for it to be a bit more explicit for once.

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That’s definitely one of the concert works I had in mind where jazz influence is acknowledged but quite obscure in the music itself.

 

Edit: Just to be clear, I’m not saying jazz influence being obscure is a weakness of or detriment to works like Conversations or Violin Concerto No. 2 (3 actually, if you please).  I’m only saying that it would be awesome to have a Williams concert work where that part of his musical foundation was made more explicit.

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Just a few years ago, I remember waiting impatiently for Williams to write that piano piece, since he seemed to write concerti for every other instrument except the one he was specialized in, which was kinda frustrating. After all, nobody had heard his early piano sonata (and nobody ever will, probably). Then came both "Conversations" and "Scherzo for Piano and Orchestra". I'm not totally in love with either, but they have grown on me. I still dream of a new piano piece that is more lyrical in tone, and slightly less aleatoric/experimental/impressionistic (choose whichever term you want). Maybe this will be it.

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4 minutes ago, Thor said:

After all, nobody had heard his early piano sonata (and nobody ever will, probably).

 

If the manuscript is still extant and in his possession, it should be possible to at least have a look at it someday at the Juilliard library.

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7 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

If the manuscript is still extant and in his possession, it should be possible to at least have a look at it someday at the Juilliard library.

 

We can always hope! If my deduction is correct, it was only performed once -- as an exam concert on the UCLA campus in the early summer of 1951. So maybe UCLA has it in some archive.

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I bet it's super derivative, just a technical exercise.  Copland's piano sonata he wrote as the capstone to his studies with Rubin Goldmark, just before moving to France to study with Mme. Boulanger, was like that.  Just to demonstrate a grasp of sonata form, counterpoint, harmonic structure, etc.

 

Copland's sonata was eventually recorded after he died, something he probably would've been embarrassed of had he been alive lol

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1 minute ago, Disco Stu said:

I bet it's super derivative, just a technical exercise.  Copland's piano sonata he wrote as the capstone to his studies with Rubin Goldmark, just before moving to France to study with Mme. Boulanger, was like that.  Just to demonstrate a grasp of sonata form, counterpoint, harmonic structure, etc.

 

Probably, yeah.

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24 minutes ago, Thor said:

 I still dream of a new piano piece that is more lyrical in tone, and slightly less aleatoric/experimental/impressionistic (choose whichever term you want). Maybe this will be it.

I love impressionistic music.

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13 hours ago, TownerFan said:

The piano is indeed also a percussive instrument so it makes sense 🙂 The Scherzo has some very interesting percussion breaks dialoguing with the piano.

 

Which reminds me: I still hope there ends up being something to that rumor about a percussion concerto for Martin Grubinger, but I haven't heard any stirrings in a while.

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I've found a potential slow movement.

 

 

17 hours ago, Jay said:

The rumors were always wrong, it was a garbled idea of what "John Williams: The Special Edition" actually is.

 

Wasn't Grubinger about to retire?

 

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21 hours ago, Jay said:

The rumors were always wrong, it was a garbled idea of what "John Williams: The Special Edition" actually is.

 

Wasn't there one instance of Williams himself indicating that he was writing *something* for Mr "Grublinger"? Or am I just mixing that up with his comments on him from the third Spielberg/Williams album?

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18 hours ago, BB-8 said:

 

Well, it takes a lot of energy to pretend that JW has written a new piece for you.

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Grubinger has been announced to feature in this year's Tanglewood-JW@90-do.

 

Catch me if you can ensemble - what else?

 

An appearance like in Berlin last year (Waldbühne) would be utter blasphemy.

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