GerateWohl 4,279 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 B the way, it was a subject of man complains that Williams' sequel scores sounded different than his Star Wars scores before. And I think, the prequel scores had a similar situation. But still it all sounded like Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,000 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I don't think we're ever going to crack the code and all agree on the sound for Star Wars music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 441 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Star Wars music is the same as all the other film music: it is whatever the film or series needs the music to be based on the vision of the director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Andy said: I don't think we're ever going to crack the code and all agree on the sound for Star Wars music. We did before the Disney Revolution. Star Wars music in all forms was great and beloved. Tallguy, enderdrag64 and DangerMotif 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: Star Wars music in all forms was great and beloved. Interesting notion, because just before JW:D came out I was fully prepared to not like the score at all because Gia for me is hit and miss. Had I not liked it.... umm, meh? It's not the end of the world if a particular installment of a franchise doesn't do it for you. I guess that a lot of people care about whether the music for a franchise is beloved and respected. I'm afraid that I just don't - if a score's good, great. If it's not.... next. That's probably not an approach that some will share, but it's mine. I'm sure it's why a lot of people want some elaborate all-encompassing box set for SW that fans can think 'that's representing my favourite composer to the world'. I just don't have that mentality at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 But at the time it wasn't even that there was a concern. Star Wars music as just all around really good in all forms and nobody had to think about it any further than that.. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 58 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: We did before the Disney Revolution. Star Wars music in all forms was great and beloved. Ewoks and Droids. Jedi Rocks. The Clone Wars Tallguy and Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 All but Jedi Rocks had good points to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 ??? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Roll the Bones said: Horner. Khan. Brainwashed/Trells Death/Buried Alive Fair point. But they are not the defining moments of the score. Goldsmith had Steiner and Courage working for him and that was more of a nod to TOS than The Motion Picture ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,279 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Roll the Bones said: Ewoks and Droids. Jedi Rocks. The Clone Wars The Holiday Special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,043 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: The Holiday Special Bizarre musicals aside, the underscore of the Holiday Special sounds more like Star Wars than the TV shows which is...hilarious? Sad? A sign of changing times? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 7 hours ago, DarthDementous said: Bizarre musicals aside, the underscore of the Holiday Special sounds more like Star Wars than the TV shows which is...hilarious? Sad? A sign of changing times? Well, the HS was the year after Star Wars. There was only one thing that sounded like Star Wars. Now there are 11 big budget motion pictures that sound like Star Wars plus TV shows and video games. I can understand if someone says "Hey I don't want to sound like the other 27 things." OTOH, when I see little Disney things (the Star Wars logo, the environment flybys) that seem to oddly shy away from JW, that's when I start to think there is monetary rather than creative motivation. I suppose we've been spoiled for 30+ years at how much JW has been used in secondary products. Most properties would just take the generic approach that we're just now seeing from the very beginning. (Although Kenner didn't license the music for their 1978 ads at least.) Heck, the animated Star Trek didn't even license the Star Trek theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,043 Posted August 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Tallguy said: Well, the HS was the year after Star Wars. There was only one thing that sounded like Star Wars. Now there are 11 big budget motion pictures that sound like Star Wars plus TV shows and video games. I can understand if someone says "Hey I don't want to sound like the other 27 things." We are currently in a point in time where a sci-fi TV show in the West being scored by a traditional classical-inspired orchestral sound is incredibly rare, so I don't buy this. The Orville is literally the only currently running show I can think of that's carrying that torch, and that's a series known for bucking modern trends enderdrag64, Manakin Skywalker and DangerMotif 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 338 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Britell's definitely got the chops to do grand orchestral stuff but it's more of a question of how he is being directed by Gilroy (who tends to go for minimalist and 'non-intrusive' stuff). It also seems like they are going for the Succession route where Britell writes a set of themes that go through multiple variations based on the scene and episode. Whatever the case, this track from Vice shows what is possible, from 3:40 onwards, maybe not StarWars-y but at least massively orchestral in scope: I look forward to what they come up with. Last time we had a somewhat gonzo assignment for a space set film, Hurwitz came up with this awesomeness: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 First Man: Those horns at 3:50ish! Yowza! I've still never seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 338 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Not necessarily the greatest film, but the Hurwitz score in that moment you pick out Tallguy is fucking amazing. Spine-tingling. greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,890 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I only like that cue from First Man. The rest of the score is not interesting at all to me. And Britell can definitely go big orchestral. I think what was mentioned before about 12 different variations of the theme is only applied to the Main/End Titles. I think they meant that every episode this will have different music of a different variation of Andor's theme. I'm confident Britell will write some sort of theme for Skarsgard's character, Mon Monthma and the villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted August 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2022 Britell's talent is rather that he can write chamber-sized music well. Ask any pro about that: before you can run you need to walk. You don't need much musical talent to make music sound BIG the way RCP does it. To do it good, you better learn how to write effectively for 10 instruments, the rest will follow naturally (Goldsmith and Williams repeatedly mentioned how helpful their salad years were in developing their craft). crocodile, Andy, JNHFan2000 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 "Mon Monthma and the Villains will be playing this weekend, no cover charge!" Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,934 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Tallguy said: First Man: Those horns at 3:50ish! Yowza! I've still never seen it. It's quite a muted film, not really a Hollywood type of spectacle. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,279 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 hours ago, publicist said: Britell's talent is rather that he can write chamber-sized music well. Ask any pro about that: before you can run you need to walk. You don't need much musical talent to make music sound BIG the way RCP does it. To do it good, you better learn how to write effectively for 10 instruments, the rest will follow naturally (Goldsmith and Williams repeatedly mentioned how helpful their salad years were in developing their craft). Apart from his affection for smaller ensembles he seems to be rather a minimalist in the tradition of Glass or Nyman unlike Goldsmith or Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,000 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I like the sound of that. I prefer clarity to layer upon layer of epic muddy sound. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Gabriel Bezerra, Evanus and mstrox 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 What blatant JW copy!! Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 Are those legit? Where'd this twitter dude get them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 From the release itself I guess, this is coming tomorrow: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/main-title-themes-episodes-1-3-from-andor-single/1646085014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 Ah, that explains it. Oddly, iTunes NZ was the first place I went to look after seeing the post, and my search didn't bring that album up! I went to his artist page, and it wasn't there: https://music.apple.com/nz/artist/nicholas-britell/405286240 But, now it is there. So it got added to iTunes within the past 5 minutes! enderdrag64 and Chewy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,934 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Oh my god, it's about time someone came up with an idea to combine edgy modern sound with traditional "cinematic" orchestra. We've never heard that in a SW score. Brilliant! Karol Andy and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 It's def grown on me since first listening, prefer this to all the other "new Star Wars" stuff, besides the Mando theme. Is that a Moog Synth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, Gibster said: what is that weird glitch at 0:18 of the episode 3 one? It's like everything just snaps from panned center to panned wide. Is that supposed to sound like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Just now, enderdrag64 said: what is that weird glitch at 0:18 of the episode 3 one? It's like everything just snaps from panned center to panned wide. Is that supposed to sound like that? Thats just Twitter. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 Just listen via the ITunes NZ link instead of within Twitter enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Andor (Main Title Theme) - Episode 1.mp4 Andor (Main Title Theme) - Episode 2.mp4 Andor (Main Title Theme) - Episode 3.mp4 Enjoy Obi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Sounds like something from a Mass Effect game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted September 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2022 I'm trying to imagine a universe where Tony Gilroy got so excited hearing this title theme on piano that he called Kathleen Kennedy right away and said "We have a theme!". Oh wait, that's our universe. DangerMotif, Andy, Evanus and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 That's a modern TV theme all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Mwwwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 When they beat you to death with this theme every episode, you'll probably be destined to remember it, but on its own it doesn't have much merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted September 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2022 Jay, crumbs, Falstaft and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, Drew said: I'm trying to imagine a universe where Tony Gilroy got so excited hearing this title theme on piano that he called Kathleen Kennedy right away and said "We have a theme!". Oh wait, that's our universe. Couldn't agree more, hope there is better stuff to come but this is def not Britell's best, and hard to ignore JW's star wars for this. I was told Gilroy hates Star Wars music. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 To be bluntly honest I wish they would stop trying to fuck around with the Star Wars musical sound. They make it a point to emulate the look of the original trilogy in every possible way they that can; costumes, plot points, color grading, vehicle design, creature design, occasional miniatures, usage of puppets, sound effects, etc. etc. etc. But for whatever ridiculous reason they ignore the music, trying to change it into some Hans Zimmer abomination (*cough* Kenobi *cough*). If Lucasfilm is so anal about keeping Star Wars exactly the way it has been, and STICKING TO THE SAME 20-YEAR PERIOD, why do they then feel the need to alter ONLY the musical vocabulary, which has been the same for the past 50 years? I am reserving any judgements for this show until I have seen at least the first episode, but it's not sounding very promising so far. Chewy, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, enderdrag64 and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I’m of the opinion that if Williams isn’t scoring the thing, they shouldn’t try to sound like Williams. Toillion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 These newer directors Lucasfilm keeps hiring don't care at all for Williams and his music, they don't think it's "edgy" enough for their take on the Star Wars universe. They prefer something more modern, more sound design and less melodies and notes, more... Zimmer. I don't even know how the hell Junkie XL or Balfe haven't been offered a Star Wars production yet, although this will happen eventually, just wait and see. Manakin Skywalker, Not Mr. Big, Drew and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, mstrox said: I’m of the opinion that if Williams isn’t scoring the thing, they shouldn’t try to sound like Williams. That doesn't mean they have to make the music sound boring, unoriginal and/or obnoxious. A lot of the older video games for example did a great job of sounding different from Williams while also staying within the Star Wars musical landscape. Mandalorian (for the most part) did a pretty good job of this as well. Solo is probably the perfect example of what can be accomplished with this mindset. That's why people love it so much, it's the perfect blend of old and new. It respects Williams' legacy while also doing its own thing. On the other hand, Rogue One is what you get when you try to copy Williams' pastiche verbatim, and Kenobi is what you get when you have no respect for the source material at all. Not Mr. Big, Edmilson, enderdrag64 and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, mstrox said: I’m of the opinion that if Williams isn’t scoring the thing, they shouldn’t try to sound like Williams. Sounding like Williams and sounding like Star Wars are two different things. DarthDementous, Manakin Skywalker and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 47 minutes ago, mstrox said: I’m of the opinion that if Williams isn’t scoring the thing, they shouldn’t try to sound like Williams. Doesn’t mean that everything has to be synth. I love Britell and i’m really excited for the music but this is the closest i’ve heard him get to electronic minus some rap stuff from succession. idk why every time they say they’re doing something new it has to sound like it’s from the Mandalorian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 The new Amazon Prime LOTR score is a better SW score than any of the recent D+ shows Bounty95, Oswin Pond, Edmilson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,279 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 14 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: The new Amazon Prime LOTR score is a better SW score than any of the recent D+ shows I would at least confirm, it is a better LOTR score than the recent Star Wars scores are Star Wars scores. From the sound perspective I think, I am basically ok with the Andor score at the first episode. Big weakness is in my eyes the thematic material. Typical modern film score. Sound, chords, percussion and no melody worth mentioning. Edmilson, Oswin Pond and Manakin Skywalker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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