A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Better than Black Panther and the Silvestri scores?? *Edit* one I mean, I like the score for Loki at least as much as Black Panther. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Edmilson said: That's what I want to know. Why keep her name a secret for weeks? Maybe Disney doesn't care about scores and just forgot to tell the press who the composer will be? They might have wanted to hear the finished product first. If Disney ended up rejecting it and going a different route, they would have looked bad had they officially announced her. Edmilson, crumbs, Not Mr. Big and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dylanskie 104 Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 It sounds like she's been approaching scoring the show very thoughtfully. I'm excited to hear what she's done! crumbs, artguy360, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I'm excited to hear what she comes up with or came up with as it's probably all done by now. Even though I have not loved any non-JW movie or TV score so far, I have enjoyed them to varying degrees. There is a genuine curiosity and excitement to major new SW music I feel. It's also got a pretty good feeling to land a SW composing gig. I think it's a big moment for a composer's career. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 It’s an unexpected but wonderful pick. Holt is very talented. I am confused about the scoring for the series. Variety said that the episodes would be recorded in London (prior to announcing Holt’s involvement) and yet Holt said they’ve recorded in LA using JW’s principal session musicians. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 666 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 My only experience of Natalie Holt is Big Fat Quiz of The Year 2013 And of course Loki, which was a really enjoyable score within the show. Looking forward to what she'll bring to Star Wars. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Quote There are some Latin influences in one of the planets. There’s some Thai, Hong Kong, some sounds that are more Eastern. Definitely you take flavors from around the world, and then try and turn them into something…otherworldly. Combined with the mention of synth and percussion a few beats before that you can pretty much guess that the grandfatherly Williams orchestral approach will be a faint memory on this show at best. Not that i care much either way, i just hope she is better at musical structure than her other contemporaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, publicist said: Combined with the mention of synth and percussion a few beats before that you can pretty much guess that the grandfatherly Williams orchestral approach will be a faint memory on this show at best. Not that i care much either way, i just hope she is better at musical structure than her other contemporaries. There's always room to combine JW's classic sound and modern scoring approaches IMO. I for one was glad to see Holt talk about using instruments from around the world, it's a technique that adds so much flavour especially when supported by a traditional orchestral. Her comments saying that the sound is more in line with the classic approach than The Mandalorian is interesting, I wonder how much more? Holko and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: I for one was glad to see Holt talk about using instruments from around the world, it's a technique that adds so much flavour especially when supported by a traditional orchestral. Begs the question what 'traditional orchestral' is. If you apply this label to any occurence of an instrumental group within an orchestra, fair enough. If you hope for musical development in a compositional sense, which means not just having the score react to movie cuts just because, but by having an overarching sense of musical architecture...well, i hope for it but the last 10-15 years let me doubt it very much. Also, using instruments from around the world is not a 'technique'. If it were, and there would be standards to it, film music would be better than it is. Fabulin and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Matt C said: It’s an unexpected but wonderful pick. Holt is very talented. I am confused about the scoring for the series. Variety said that the episodes would be recorded in London (prior to announcing Holt’s involvement) and yet Holt said they’ve recorded in LA using JW’s principal session musicians. Jay discovered earlier this month that the article was updated to remove the part about recording in London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Im not thrilled about this news, but ill give her the benefit of the doubt as her comments look good enough Evanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LSH 968 Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 You know what... fucking good on her. She's having a break-out budding media composers can only dream about and this will only boost that. I literally didn't know who she was a few weeks ago and now she's scoring the biggest TV show of the year. I'm looking forward to hearing it. Evanus, Holko, Richard Penna and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 who cares about the music, it's the first woman composer to score a Star Wars project! That's the only important thing A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, King Mark said: who cares about the music, it's the first woman composer to score a Star Wars project! That's the only important thing Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, LSH said: Is it? No. Why would it? She is a pro in filmmusic like my guy in that business. I find it great, that a talented woman at last gets a share in that area. But now that she has got the job, all that matters is the score that she deliveres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: No. Why would it? She is a pro in filmmusic like my guy in that business. I find it great, that a talented woman at last gets a share in that area. But now that she has got the job, all that matters is the score that she deliveres. That's exactly what I was implying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: She is a pro in filmmusic like my guy in that business. You've got your own guy in the business? Who are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Damn auto-correction. When I typed it, it was still "any", not "my". Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 For a moment there I feared you were HanZ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 You mean, because I let the auto-correction do my writing? That wasn’t on purpose. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 22/04/2022 at 1:28 PM, crocodile said: Because scoring a SW property is hard enough. Having one where you have to adapt JW's theme is an extremely difficult task for any musician. Even people as well versed as, say, Don Davis stumble in that department. At least Ludwig didn't have to do that and went in a completely different direction. Karol What makes scoring a SW property harder than any other franchises? Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mephariel said: What makes scoring a SW property harder than any other franchises? The fans. crumbs, DarthDementous, enderdrag64 and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Yep. If fans had their way, Williams would score everything, and we'd have about 300 themes for the SW universe by now He can't of course, but it doesn't stop fans holding newer composers up to the impossible challenge of sounding like Williams. We wouldn't even be talking about this assignment if JW hadn't written the theme. It's time, once again, to see what she's come up with, and dare I say it, to take the scoring process a little less seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: The fans. And fans that are traditionally so warm and welcoming to the contributions of women to their preciousssssss franchissssssee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 7 hours ago, LSH said: That's exactly what I was implying. I was just being cynical, because nowadays gender, sexual orientation and race matters more in choosing someone for a television or film project than the person with the most talent. If she writes good music then great...I didn't like Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett so anything is an improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,012 Posted April 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Mephariel said: What makes scoring a SW property harder than any other franchises? John Williams. Karol Manakin Skywalker, GerateWohl, Andy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 18 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Yep. If fans had their way, Williams would score everything, and we'd have about 300 themes for the SW universe by now He can't of course, but it doesn't stop fans holding newer composers up to the impossible challenge of sounding like Williams. We wouldn't even be talking about this assignment if JW hadn't written the theme. It's time, once again, to see what she's come up with, and dare I say it, to take the scoring process a little less seriously? That doesn't make Star Wars more difficult to score. That just means the composer is making it hard on himself/herself by trying to do other people's music. It is not different than Bond/Mission Impossible. You adapt some themes than you do your own shit. Ludwig Göransson for example, has already done this. 10 hours ago, crocodile said: John Williams. Karol If you try to make a score to sound like John Williams, then you are making it hard on yourself, not that the franchise is hard to score. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Mephariel said: If you try to make a score to sound like John Williams, then you are making it hard on yourself, not that the franchise is hard to score. Not sure I understand. Of course, you could make it easier for yourself but that would be lowering the standards, wouldn't it? I don't necessarily want people to emulate John Williams verbatim. That isn't interesting either. But it would be nice to have someone who can at least understand the DNA of his work and can move within that world. Especially if JW is directly involved in the project. Karol Bounty95 and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Anyone know of any Natalie Holt cues that sound Star Wars-y? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Why don't they get that Mark Griskey guy who scored The Force Unleashed, he had the best Williams-like SW music so far bored, Holko, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 309 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I would also love it if Jeremy Soule was able to score Star Wars with a full orchestra this time, but that option is impossible as it was long ago signed, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, superultramegaa said: I would also love it if Jeremy Soule was able to score Star Wars with a full orchestra this time, but that option is impossible as it was long ago signed, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. Plus the rape allegation/s, meaning he will probably never have any composition jobs ever again. enderdrag64 and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 309 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 5 hours ago, DarthDementous said: Anyone know of any Natalie Holt cues that sound Star Wars-y? No. Listening through her stuff on Spotify I would say, she even seems to never have written anything for a grand symphony orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Some of the tracks from Loki are with a big orchestra. There is synths as well but the orchestra is very present. Tracks like, Goodbyes, Living Storm, Classic Builds, He Who Remains. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: No. Listening through her stuff on Spotify I would say, she even seems to never have written anything for a grand symphony orchestra. That's what you've got orchestrators for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 36 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's what you've got orchestrators for. Ghostwriters! Andy and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, publicist said: Ghost Writer One of the few Desplat scores I find worth owning on CD, but it's going for extorsionate prices on the second-hand market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's what you've got orchestrators for. Or let me put it this way: I doubt that she ever (at least for a soundtrack composition job) wrote an eight voice composition sheet just for classical instruments, which would be pretty much the input for an orchestrator. At least that's my impression after hearing her scores. But I might be wrong. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: which would be pretty much the input for an orchestrator. Of course, you could also just hand them a melody line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Of course, you could also just hand them a melody line. Like Charlie Chaplin. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 15 hours ago, DarthDementous said: Anyone know of any Natalie Holt cues that sound Star Wars-y? No, but none of her previous stuff I've heard sounded much like LOKI or Marvel either (and I think that scoring was excellent and unique), so let's be optimistic. Yavar mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Yavar Moradi said: I think that scoring was excellent and unique I agree it's not bad, but it sounds too sound designey for my taste. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 You're going to have to define "sound designey" for me, in this context. It has a unique sound world for sure (which I appreciate -- too many Marvel scores are interchangeable) but I hear themes and motifs which get developed, not what I'd call a "sound design" score. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: You're going to have to define "sound designey" for me, in this context. It has a unique sound world for sure (which I appreciate -- too many Marvel scores are interchangeable) but I hear themes and motifs which get developed, not what I'd call a "sound design" score. Yavar That's not what I meant. I was referring to real instruments being tweaked too much with digitally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrWrsNrd 0 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Haven’t listened to any of hers… what does she do? I mean what genre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 You think of film composers in terms of them each only working in one genre? Manakin Skywalker and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Her themes are ok. What I meant is, I heard in her scores basically three types of music: Some elegic chamber music style with mainly strings piano and few other solo instruments Some quite authentic instrumental pop/rock music styled pieces or Electronics Interwoven with orchestral elements, which is pretty much the Loki score. None of that is classical Star Wars. But let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Who said it has to be a JW clone and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted April 25, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 I guess out of all the Star Wars shows Disney is cooking up, this is literally the one that probably MOST deserves to have a score closest to Williams' OT and PT sound, since it's about a main character from those 6 films, taking place in between 2 of them Docteur Qui, Tydirium, Yavar Moradi and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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