Popular Post Drew 590 Posted May 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2022 15 years ago, the score to episode 2 would have been soundly rejected for being unlistenable. This is how badly the standards have fallen. Saying this score is better than nothing is enabling this tragic fall of quality standards. Don’t be an enabler. Of course, don’t bring vitriol either. Edmilson, Tydirium, crumbs and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I would have scored this with JW orchestrations and also synth and also no action music whatsoever, because I like mayhem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artus_grayboot 77 Posted May 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2022 8 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: If Seth MacFarlane had worked on this it would have gotten a kick-ass SW orchestral score for sure. He at least understands the importance of this type of music in shows that evoke the romance and drama of outer space. Dude yes!!!! Love the music for The Orville. If we were getting that, I would be so much more over the moon. MrJosh, Tydirium, Manakin Skywalker and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Drew said: 15 years ago, the score to episode 2 would have been soundly rejected for being unlistenable. This is how badly the standards have fallen. Saying this score is better than nothing is enabling this tragic fall of quality standards. Don’t be an enabler. Of course, don’t bring vitriol either. but it was really cool- the music when GI was on screen was cool and the parkour music with the brass was sick. ok everything else was a bit dodge but like its ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,336 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2022 I have only seen the first episode so far, but I really liked: -the short title card cue -All the wonderful variations of Williams' theme that underscore most Obi-wan scenes -The end credits cue. I assume all of those are Ross's doing and nothing Holt was involved with, though. So as for the remaining music in the episode that was likely hers: Honestly, I didn't notice any of it! This is how most things go when I watch them the first time - I am consuming the episode itself and not specifically trying to hear what the score is like, unless it specifically stands out as being exceptionally interesting or exceptionally bad. Holt's music in this episode did neither, so I'll have to wait for the album to see what she did in this episode. Maybe episode 2 will be different. artus_grayboot, Andy and ragoz350 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jay said: I have only seen the first episode so far, but I really liked: -the short title card cue -All the wonderful variations of Williams' theme that underscore most Obi-wan scenes -The end credits cue. I assume all of those are Ross's doing and nothing Holt was involved with, though. So as for the remaining music in the episode that was likely hers: Honestly, I didn't notice any of it! This is how most things go when I watch them the first time - I am consuming the episode itself and not specifically trying to hear what the score is like, unless it specifically stands out as being exceptionally interesting or exceptionally bad. Holt's music in this episode did neither, so I'll have to wait for the album to see what she did in this episode. Maybe episode 2 will be different. You'll most likely notice it on further viewing but the chances are you won't remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 I definitely didn't enjoy the episode enough to want to watch it again, but yes, in general a second viewing of things leads me to hear what the score is doing significantly more than first watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 hours ago, DarthDementous said: I was thinking about this earlier how Star Wars really needs an 'Orville' equivalent that learns from the mistakes of the modern incarnation and delivers on what people love about the franchise even if it's not necessarily in the same universe Yes, exactly this. Star Wars is in a state that I frankly hate precisely because of this genuinely toxic attitude to just 'shut up and let people enjoy what they like' whenever the slightest bit of critical thinking enters into the mix. Just once I'd like to be able to express criticism without being lumped into this gigantic category that puts all this stuff on me that I don't believe in at all. There is literally zero downside to being critical of what you watch, if more people did that then there would be a demand for higher quality entertainment which means everyone wins Constantly giving Star Wars a pass over and over is just going to lead it into the inevitable dumpster fire that so many other beloved franchises have become, and at least some of those had the excuse of scarce releases. Star Wars has turned into the MCU in terms of its quantity and yet people are still treating it like it's special and something to be cherished when something new comes out? It makes absolutely no sense, like it's a ghost being defended instead of the actual thing it is now If I don't at least attempt to be honest with how I feel about something and hopefully explaining why that that is, ideally encouraging others to do the same, then the audience remains complacent and the quality of these products remains stagnant or in the worst case scenario actually gets worse. If I 'shut up and let people enjoy what they like' then it's contributing to making the products in a franchise I love worse which has a direct effect on my enjoyment, so of course I give a damn and want to say something Stop regurgitating the same lazy rhetoric over and over again, 'it's a space fantasy so writing doesn't matter', 'no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans', 'just be happy you're getting anything at all', you have absolutely no idea how detrimental this is to the discourse or how widespread these beliefs are. Actually engage with what people are saying specifically, don't lump them all into some anomalous category so you don't have to address anything they said. You're holding this series to such a low standard when the series has been at a far higher standard before, hold it to what it was at its best because otherwise the bar just gets exponentially lowered Apologies for the rant, I'm just so very sick of seeing the same lazy engagements over and over again Couldn't have said it better! I agree 100%. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Couple of edits I wanted to share that are cool music-wise. Both are for the second episode. Spoiler Really like how this was integrated into this. The brass over the strings and how it transitions with what's already there... it just works so well. And another one: Spoiler This one is more so an edit of the scene. It's to change that the Second Sister knows who Vader really is - in this she doesn't know. But I like the use of that bit from Revenge of the Sith in the music - one of my favorites. Just wanted to share as the discussion here makes me yearn for music like that in this show. Tydirium and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 You know what I find interesting about a lot of the complaints about Natalie's score? Natalie said that every planet would have its own style of music. The Tatooine material is very different from Alderaan. And Alderaan sounds very different from Daiyu. Daiyu has a very Blade Runner vibe to it, so a Vangelis/Hans Zimmer-esque score makes a lot of sense. So all this doom and gloom over how Natalie is tearing apart Star Wars' musical legacy and ruining life as we know seem a little too dramatic for my liking. Also don't forget, Natalie said her music was "deeper rooted in Star Wars tradition than Ludwig's music for The Mandalorian" was. I think she knows what she's doing. Falstaft, SilverTrumpet, Madmartigan JC and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 49 minutes ago, CourtneyNeedsAW said: You know what I find interesting about a lot of the complaints about Natalie's score? Natalie said that every planet would have its own style of music. The Tatooine material is very different from Alderaan. And Alderaan sounds very different from Daiyu. Daiyu has a very Blade Runner vibe to it, so a Vangelis/Hans Zimmer-esque score makes a lot of sense. So all this doom and gloom over how Natalie is tearing apart Star Wars' musical legacy and ruining life as we know seem a little too dramatic for my liking. Also don't forget, Natalie said her music was "deeper rooted in Star Wars tradition than Ludwig's music for The Mandalorian" was. I think she knows what she's doing. Which planet is going to have a "John Williams" vibe to it? That's the planet I'm excited to visit... (And don't say Tatooine; that's basically William Ross.) Also, Kamino had a very different sound in AOTC from Mustafar in ROTS, which had a different sound from Tatooine in ANH, etc. It's possible to make planets sound different, while still staying in the overall Star Wars musical language... Madmartigan JC and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Which planet is going to have a "John Williams" vibe to it? That's the planet I'm excited to visit... (And don't say Tatooine; that's basically William Ross.) Also, Kamino had a very different sound in AOTC from Mustafar in ROTS, which had a different sound from Tatooine in ANH, etc. It's possible to make planets sound different, while still staying in the overall Star Wars musical language... Joseph Shirley had the arrogance to say that Tatooine, after all the JW style classicism that graced it, now had a, well whatever you want to call the sound that was Book of Boba Fett. That somehow Tatooine's "sound" changed after ROTJ. It's nothing but an attempt at a clever excuse. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 @TydiriumI would say the music was scoring the drama of the scenes that took place on those planets, not so much the textures like Shore did for LotR. Mystery and intrigue for the creation of the Clone Army on Kamino, and pounding drum fanfares for the events that surround the duel on Mustafar. Williams'music for Tatooine was really only explored in TPM and ANH that you could say was scoring the feel of the planet. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, CourtneyNeedsAW said: You know what I find interesting about a lot of the complaints about Natalie's score? Natalie said that every planet would have its own style of music. The Tatooine material is very different from Alderaan. And Alderaan sounds very different from Daiyu. Daiyu has a very Blade Runner vibe to it, so a Vangelis/Hans Zimmer-esque score makes a lot of sense. So all this doom and gloom over how Natalie is tearing apart Star Wars' musical legacy and ruining life as we know seem a little too dramatic for my liking. Also don't forget, Natalie said her music was "deeper rooted in Star Wars tradition than Ludwig's music for The Mandalorian" was. I think she knows what she's doing. I believe she made a point to emphasize in the quote that the score is only a margin closer to traditional Star Wars in comparison to The Mandalorian. I can only judge off what I've heard, I'm fully happy to revise my opinion if the music significantly changes in style over the course of these next episodes but I think it would be naive to expect that 4 hours ago, artus_grayboot said: Couple of edits I wanted to share that are cool music-wise. Both are for the second episode. Reveal hidden contents Really like how this was integrated into this. The brass over the strings and how it transitions with what's already there... it just works so well. And another one: Reveal hidden contents This one is more so an edit of the scene. It's to change that the Second Sister knows who Vader really is - in this she doesn't know. But I like the use of that bit from Revenge of the Sith in the music - one of my favorites. Just wanted to share as the discussion here makes me yearn for music like that in this show. Thanks for sharing! I enjoyed these a lot, as well as their subtlety with what they were invoking. Particularly with that last cue if you're not super familiar with ROTS' score then I think that would work really well on a sub-conscious level, gently nudging you to be reminded of Anakin's assault on Mustafar artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just watched the third episode... Spoiler The lack of even a single statement of the Imperial March for any of the Vader scenes is unforgivable. The tendency of this show to use RCP-style low brass + percussion for almost every "bad guy" scene is getting old, fast. Multiple moments in this episode's score (not to mention the episode itself) were somewhere between laughable and infuriating. I can't adequately describe just how wrong it feels, seeing Darth Vader in live-action (portrayed by Hayden and JEJ!) scored with music that sounds like any cookie-cutter Zimmer protege score. Also, why not use JW's Mustafar motif??? This would have been the perfect opportunity. I felt like Giacchino's Rogue One really blew it by not reprising that motif for the first-ever appearance of Vader's castle, but is there really a reason we couldn't get it in this show? Again, this is basically Episode 3.5; imagine if you were binging the Star Wars live-action stuff in order, and you go from watching ROTS and hearing the LSO brass pounding out that Mustafar theme, to... this, as the next chronological appearance of the planet. How jarring, and what a letdown! At this rate, I'm guessing we're never going to hear that motif again. Qui-Gon keeps getting mentioned in the show; why not sneak in his theme? At this point I doubt his theme will show up even if he speaks or shows up as a Force ghost. Needless to say, I'm still not a fan of this show's score. I personally felt like this episode was even worse than I expected, and that's saying something. The only moment that jumped out to me as marginally Star-Wars-sounding (aside from William Ross' one or two moments), was during the Obi-Wan/Vader fight, with the cliché brass triplets. But even that sounded almost cheesy, like a pastiche. And based on just how different it sounded from everything else that is presumably by Holt, I wouldn't be surprised if that cue was done by one of the additional music composers. Still, it was nice to hear someone at least trying to sound like Star Wars. But man, I'm just so disappointed by how this show's score is turning out. EDIT: I'm dumb. Looks like much of the Obi/Vader fight was scored by Ross. Also, I re-listened later and thought much more highly of it; I think it just felt a little jarring in comparison with all the RCP stuff up to that point. DarthDementous, MikeH, Chewy and 6 others 6 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I really liked that low building noise (I have no idea if it was a synth or instrument but it was REALLY GOOD) during the imperial scenes. I think the "tense" music was very good on the transport and when Vader was in the village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, DIamondFire said: I really liked that low building noise (I have no idea if it was a synth or instrument but it was REALLY GOOD) during the imperial scenes. I think the "tense" music was very good on the transport and when Vader was in the village. Can you please just tell me how any of this sounds like Star Wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Antonb 118 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 The scenes will Vader would have been so much more powerful if they would have used Williams empire themes. Why don't they use them? the imperial march theme would have killed while he was marching through the village. Tydirium, rpvee, artus_grayboot and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Knight of Ren 789 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 I mostly agree with Tydirium on this. Spoiler I thought the episode was cool and some scenes with Vader and Obi-Wan were great, especially the fire one. But the fact that there is still not even a small thematic reference makes me sad. There were a lot of great moments were the Imperial March, Battle of the Heroes, or even the imperial motif from ANH or some mustafar music would have worked wonders, but they just decide to put some generic brass with some percussion and that's it. It's not that I hate the score, but I'm disappointed in how it's turning out, ingoring so many great melodies they could have been reprising. And it's not because I hate this kind of sound, as I loved The Mandalorian score. But that was different, since the characters were unknown, and the world surrounding them was mostly new territory for us. But in Season 2 when familiar characters started to pop out, they were able to reference their leitmotifs, like with Ashoka or The Force for Luke. In this series, the main characters are also the main characters of the main saga, with recognizable themes attached to them, and for me, it's disappointing to see them throw that away and replace it with music that, for me, it's not quite as fitting. I don't hate Natalie, as she was probably doing what she was asked for, and I will wait until all episodes are released to see if maybe the score improves and incorporates some thematic references here and there, but so far, I'm not really liking the score that much (altough I am enjoying the show quite a bit for what it is). Just my thoughts on this. crumbs, artus_grayboot, Tydirium and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Antonb said: The scenes will Vader would have been so much more powerful if they would have used Williams empire themes. Why don't they use them? the imperial march theme would have killed while he was marching through the village. I suspect Holt is not capable of writing orchestral music in JW's Star Wars idiom. Jean-Baptiste Martin, Tydirium, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,957 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I thought I heard the stormtrooper motif in a variation somewhere in the episode on low brass. But the credits said nothing off it. But to me it really sounded like it Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 On 28/05/2022 at 6:20 PM, JTWfan77 said: If she scores Vader's entrance with the Horn of Doom I'm outahere. Execute Order 66 And yet again Natalie Holt can't come up with anything slightly thematic or lyrical to carry the drama. Everything's tapestral underscore. 1977, Tydirium, crumbs and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Archive Collection 214 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 I don't hate Holt's score, but I certainly feel that it lets the series down by not fully embracing the musical language of the Star Wars saga. I understand that incorporating Williams' themes needs to be done tastefully, and not simply copy-pasted all over the score - however the complete lack of the original themes detracts from so many of those powerful moments in the show. Spoiler Imagine if there were some subtle threads of Battle of the Heroes, or The Imperial March, or even Duel of the Fates during the Ep. 3 Vader and Kenobi fight... just a few notes from any one of those themes would have added so much dramatic weight, really connecting this new series with the films before it. And just imagine how average Star Wars fans would have reacted... missed opportunity. There were are few (dare I say) good moments of scoring... however, on the whole, I've been finding Holt's score a bit distracting. It sounds rather anonymous and lacks the character of her other scores, which at least have a bit of personality. Tonally, it just doesn't fit with the show. If this was Mandalorian or Boba Fett, this score would have worked well, but it just feels so out of place when RCP-style action music is accompanying scenes of Obi-Wan and these other legacy characters. I'm also curious to see whether William Ross's wonderful cues will be included in the soundtrack release, these have been the highlight of the score for me. They just make me wish that Ross had scored the entire show... artus_grayboot, Tiburon, ThePenitentMan1 and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Best Disney+ episode yet. Sadly it's a real shame how big of a letdown the music has been and probably will be. Not using the Imperial March is inexcusable. it's a real shame that this will probably be the worst disney+ score. Has there been a single JW theme used besides his Obi Wan theme? 1 minute ago, Gibster said: Best Disney+ episode yet. Sadly it's a real shame how big of a letdown the music has been and probably will be. Not using the Imperial March is inexcusable. it's a real shame that this will probably be the worst disney+ score. Has there been a single JW theme used besides his Obi Wan theme? the music picked up towards the end but no Imperial March ruins everything Tydirium and rpvee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Lucasfilm hiring Williams was just for publicity. Other than that it seems they don't care much about setting the show musically between the trilogies. All roads lead to the Mandalorian and its soundscapes. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 such a joke that they use all of this stuff in the promos yet run from them in the show igger6, Tydirium and crumbs 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 This show is testing my patience, musically. MikeH, rpvee, Andy and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 34 minutes ago, Falstaft said: This show is testing my patience, musically. How do you think it got to this point though, trying to do something new or just Not Caring/not knowing star wars music? I assume it’s the ladder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Looks like we may not be getting a Vol 1 album this Friday, as its not up on that Disney site https://www.disneymusiclicensing.com/albums?orderBy=original_release_date&orderDest=desc Of course, the Obi-Wan single isn't listed there either, so who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,957 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: Looks like we may not be getting a Vol 1 album this Friday, as its not up on that Disney site https://www.disneymusiclicensing.com/albums?orderBy=original_release_date&orderDest=desc Of course, the Obi-Wan single isn't listed there either, so who knows I'll wait until tomorrow round the time it's already friday in New Zealand. Most of the time there will be an album on itunes. Either that or they'll do one big release like the last Disney+ show: Moon Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 I watched episode 2 last night. Score-wise, what a difference from episode 1! This time I noticed a lot of Holt's score throughout, and really liked a lot of what I heard! Definitely looking forward to hearing the album now. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I thought I heard the stormtrooper motif in a variation somewhere in the episode on low brass. But the credits said nothing off it. But to me it really sounded like it That’s the thing that made me laugh really hard, we don’t get any continuity with one of the most iconic themes of all time but we get continuity with the incredibly niche Imperial motif from A New Hope I like the Imperial motif quite a bit for the record, I just found it hilarious that of all the themes that’s the one that came back 1 hour ago, Gibster said: such a joke that they use all of this stuff in the promos yet run from them in the show I think this is one of those rare and ironic cases that I wish the actual score sounded more like the promotional music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,957 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: That’s the thing that made me laugh really hard, we don’t get any continuity with one of the most iconic themes of all time but we get continuity with the incredibly niche Imperial motif from A New Hope I like the Imperial motif quite a bit for the record, I just found it hilarious that of all the themes that’s the one that came back I do agree. I like Holt's music and the show. But not qouting the Imperial March or the Force theme does seem weird. You don't just not use 2 of the most iconic themes in cinema history in a series where both are heavily used. I have the feeling that there is more going on. Maybe it's a creative decision that will pull off in one of the episodes still to come, who knows? But I do agree with a lot of people on here that not qouting these 2 themes is ridiculous crumbs, DangerMotif and artus_grayboot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 It’s just mind boggling how they do thing like this + the promos and ignore it for the show. artus_grayboot, crumbs and rpvee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,514 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 I'd honestly much rather take something good on its own without any JW reference or likeness than something with badly forced JW references all over. Sadly this is neither, just kind of nothing. Still holding off on full judgments until I can listen to it on its own, i didn't grow to love Boba as much as I do now until I listened to the OSTs and assembled my program from them either. artus_grayboot, crumbs and Madmartigan JC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I get the feeling that if they had more time, they would have entirely replaced it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, Holko said: I'd honestly much rather take something good on its own without any JW reference or likeness than something with badly forced JW references all over. Sadly this is neither, just kind of nothing. Still holding off on full judgments until I can listen to it on its own, i didn't grow to love Boba as much as I do now until I listened to the OSTs and assembled my program from them either. You lose the right to ignore that stuff when Darth Vader shows up. Tydirium, crumbs, MikeH and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 I thought this was a really well scored scene. This has to be either Williams or Ross, given how closely related it is to the Williams theme. I hear a bit of the descending b section of Across the Stars though it's likely coincidental. MikeH, Falstaft, Trope and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 I haven't watched episode 3 yet, but this is astonishing news. I'm mystified. I hope someone asks Holt about this, since she has decided to engage with online commentary on the score on social media. I mean, divorce it from any other context and present it as a hypothetical: you're creating a Star Wars show and Darth Vader is to appear on screen. Would you use the Imperial March or not? I imagine that a random poll of regular people or of devoted film score fans would both have answered overwhelmingly the same way at any point in the past 42 years. This is probably the most famous melody in cinema at this point. What can possibly explain the omission? If she's withholding the melody for some greater moment, it's hard to see what it could be. The March has always been Vader's "reveal" music as much as it's been anything else. It even scores the arrival of troops and ships on Vader's team in the movies and video games. (I'm one of the few who wished it had been used for Imperial establishing shots in Rogue One.) 3 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: I thought this was a really well scored scene. This has to be either Williams or Ross, given how closely related it is to the Williams theme. I hear a bit of the descending b section of Across the Stars though it's likely coincidental. See, I was really hoping for a little of Luke's theme on piccolo or something. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, rpvee and MikeH 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greenturnedblue 372 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Tydirium said: Can you please just tell me how any of this sounds like Star Wars? Because it is Star Wars. Its music from a Star Wars show, so by definition it is Star Wars music. I dont really mind the soundscape changing and evolving. Obviously Williams cannot be topped but I also appreciate new contributions to the universe. I especially like the music during when Moses' inquisitor lands in the hangar and walks straight through it. The Imperial March's DNA is definitely there without quoting it directly, kind of like Gia's Imperial Suite from R1 To be fair I thought they were saving the Imperial March for when we first see Vader at full power. I was a bit disappointed when we didnt hear it but Holt's slow brooding Vader theme does the job. Fingers crossed we still get Imperial March in another episode Do you also not like The Mandalorian's and Book of Boba Fett music because it isnt classic orchestral Williams sounding music? Tydirium, mstrox, j39m and 3 others 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Would it be Star Wars if all of a sudden Teletubbies popped out of nowhere? Yes. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Gibster said: Has there been a single JW theme used besides his Obi Wan theme? Don't think so. There's a theme that sounds a bit similar to the ANH stormtrooper theme... but remember, Holt said she composed her own stormtrooper theme. So, it's not that. It's really sad when you think of all the themes that one could reasonably expect to be in this show, based on the characters and locations... Battle of the Heroes, Imperial March, Qui-Gon's theme, Mustafar theme, Princess Leia's theme, stormtrooper theme, Force theme. Yet not one of those has really shown up yet. I just can't believe what a wasted opportunity this is. MaxTheHouseelf, Evanus, Not Mr. Big and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,649 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Van_Etten said: Would it be Star Wars if all of a sudden Teletubbies popped out of nowhere? Yes. I’ve always thought these guys from ROTS looked a little teletubbyish. ThePenitentMan1, Tydirium and igger6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Don't think so. There's a theme that sounds a bit similar to the ANH stormtrooper theme... but remember, Holt said she composed her own stormtrooper theme. So, it's not that. It's really sad when you think of all the themes that one could reasonably expect to be in this show, based on the characters and locations... Battle of the Heroes, Imperial March, Qui-Gon's theme, Mustafar theme, Princess Leia's theme, stormtrooper theme, Force theme. Yet not one of those has really shown up yet. I just can't believe what a wasted opportunity this is. my thoughts exactly I remember being able to hear this image in my head when they released this, it's a shame what they used for this. Why are they even playing John Williams music on set? ThePenitentMan1 and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, greenturnedblue said: Because it is Star Wars. Its music from a Star Wars show, so by definition it is Star Wars music. Wow. You know exactly what I mean. John Williams defined a sound for the main saga over the course of multiple decades; there is definitely a traditional "Star Wars" sound. That's what I'm talking about here, but again, you know that. 1 hour ago, greenturnedblue said: I dont really mind the soundscape changing and evolving. Obviously Williams cannot be topped but I also appreciate new contributions to the universe. I don't mind the soundscape changing and evolving either. That's why I have no problem with Goransson's Mando, or the Kiners' Bad Batch, etc. I'm excited to see what Britell will do for Andor, and I don't expect him to sound like JW. I appreciate new contributions to the universe. 1 hour ago, greenturnedblue said: I especially like the music during when Moses' inquisitor lands in the hangar and walks straight through it. The Imperial March's DNA is definitely there without quoting it directly, kind of like Gia's Imperial Suite from R1 "DNA" isn't good enough in this case. There is not a single statement of the Imperial March in the entire episode! Including the Vader scenes. Also, Giacchino's Imperial theme was one of my least favorite things about that score. It should have just been the Imperial March. 1 hour ago, greenturnedblue said: To be fair I thought they were saving the Imperial March for when we first see Vader at full power. I was a bit disappointed when we didnt hear it but Holt's slow brooding Vader theme does the job. Fingers crossed we still get Imperial March in another episode I wouldn't count on it. Even if we get it later on, there's still no excuse for its absence from this episode. 1 hour ago, greenturnedblue said: Do you also not like The Mandalorian's and Book of Boba Fett music because it isnt classic orchestral Williams sounding music? No, I enjoy those. I and others have addressed previously in this thread why this particular show is different. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about the fact that this show is essentially Episode 3.5 (and has been marketed as being directly tied to the prequels, baiting us with Duel of the Fates and Battle of the Heroes in the trailers), and features the return of Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, Joel Edgerton, Jimmy Smitts, etc. This isn't just any old Disney+ Star Wars show; this is supposed to be the biggest one yet, and the fact that it's a limited series rather than a multi-season affair, just goes to highlight that it's special. Why wouldn't you want/expect a continuation of the JW sound in this particular show? I don't care what kind of music they use for the other shows; all I wanted was this one show to sound like JW's Star Wars. The fact that you are assuming I am against other styles or other composers—when I have no problem with them—makes it seem like you really don't understand my point of view. Tom Guernsey, Courtney Sees Ghosts, MikeH and 3 others 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Dissapointed that Vader got Thanos'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 471 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Gibster said: such a joke that they use all of this stuff in the promos yet run from them in the show they really do haha Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I can appreciate Holt's soundscape so far, but do agree with everyone posting ignoring the longstanding themes is pretty much unacceptable. I kind of like how the Imperial march was relegated to a theme for just Vader in R1 and not the entire imperial army. But then again in ESB they used it pretty much every time the Imperials were on screen. But I also dont think Gia's new Imperial theme was necessary. Not sure what the solution would've been especially considering much of Gia's Williams quotes were reportedly scrapped. Maybe all of his new imperial themes used to be the imperial march but was replaced last minute with the new one rpvee and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 18 hours ago, Tydirium said: Which planet is going to have a "John Williams" vibe to it? That's the planet I'm excited to visit... (And don't say Tatooine; that's basically William Ross.) Also, Kamino had a very different sound in AOTC from Mustafar in ROTS, which had a different sound from Tatooine in ANH, etc. It's possible to make planets sound different, while still staying in the overall Star Wars musical language... John Williams is John Williams. Unless he's doing a source cue, all of Williams' cues are gonna have Williams DNA. Natalie has her own voice and is doing the same thing, she's just connecting her musical styles with each other. Judging by the music in the baby duel in Episode 3, the music during the real fight between Obi-Wan and Vader is most likely gonna go all John Williams with it. Just like how Ludwig built up to using Binary Sunset in the Season 2 finale of The Mandalorian. Patience is key. The progression is moving. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 S03E03: The music felt cheap as the third sister approached Vader’s castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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