Van_Etten 111 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: I don’t even know what to say… Guy has over 2 thousand followers, barely gets any likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 Something tells me Kathleen Kennedy wasn´t as hands on with Kenobi as she normally is with Star Wars projects (what with Mando, Ahsoka, Andor in production etc) and so she let Chow just get on with it. Then, maybe, she came to have a look at what was going on, heard the score, went "What the f*** is this?", panicked, called JW, JW goes, "Yeah, no thanks, I´ll give you a theme, but that´s it", then they get Bill Ross involved to adapt the theme and write additional music. What a mess. DarthDementous, HunterTech, artus_grayboot and 9 others 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Van_Etten 111 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 Plain and simple reject and delay would do better. MikeH, rpvee, artus_grayboot and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,356 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Stu said: I hope that some board members have a little more respect, even if still not appreciation, for Ludwig's work now. I am not aware of such failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Falstaft said: I've said it before, but how profound would a tiny hint of Across the Stars have been when Obi Wan was circumlocuting about Padme? This is what leitmotifs are for, stating in emotional terms what characters cannot in words, connecting events of the past to developments in the present, deepening a scene rather than simply underscoring it. How many other such opportunities for musical commentary, resonance, storytelling were missed? Very, very, very well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: I don’t even know what to say… I tuned into a little bit of Rebel Force Radio’s latest episode to hear what they thought, and when Jimmy Mac said it was awesome and he’s seen it twice already, I literally yelled “What?!” It’s weird. There’s a level of accepting mediocrity that’s going on and it’s really sad. Watching this latest episode makes me want to watch the actual movies or just something I know is good to cleanse my palate! DarthDementous and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,684 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Alex said: Something tells me Kathleen Kennedy wasn´t as hands on with Kenobi as she normally is with Star Wars projects (what with Mando, Ahsoka, Andor in production etc) and so she let Chow just get on with it. Then, maybe, she came to have a look at what was going on, heard the score, went "What the f*** is this?", panicked, called JW, JW goes, "Yeah, no thanks, I´ll give you a theme, but that´s it", then they get Bill Ross involved to adapt the theme and write additional music. What a mess. Fair assessment, but I think that if you've decided that you don't like Holt's music (or you're upset that they didn't stay the traditional 'SW' route), you're trying to convince yourself that JW's/Ross' involvement was a rescue effort, when there's no solid evidence at all about what happened. If they really didn't like her score then surely the album wouldn't mostly contain her material, and ultimately if you hate the direction they went in, blame the director. I hate to be the usual composer apologist, but if the execs don't like a score for a big series, it's not staying. artus_grayboot, DarthDementous, JNHFan2000 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HunterTech 989 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 I don't know. I think if whole episodes are near entirely Ross for what's supposed to be a minor rescore/adaptation gig (especially when a lot of it doesn't involve the Obi-Wan theme), then I don't think it far fetched to believe there's more to the story. Especially with how quiet Lucasfilm/Disney has been about it, given they would have you believe Holt is the only person of importance (despite her admitting her own main theme got replaced, and had very little to do with the final one). And I say this as someone who's still fairly defensive of Holt, and would sooner blame everything on the higher ups than her specifically. A. A. Ron, artguy360, Edmilson and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Fair assessment, but I think that if you've decided that you don't like Holt's music (or you're upset that they didn't stay the traditional 'SW' route), you're trying to convince yourself that JW's/Ross' involvement was a rescue effort, when there's no solid evidence at all about what happened. If they really didn't like her score then surely the album wouldn't mostly contain her material, and ultimately if you hate the direction they went in, blame the director. I hate to be the usual composer apologist, but if the execs don't like a score for a big series, it's not staying. Fair, but I think the fact that Holt had written an Obi theme already, and suddenly JW comes on board, and Ross takes over all the adaptations could be a sign. With Solo, John Powell knew of JW´s involvement well in advance. Also, how bad it would look to give the boot to the only woman to score a Star Wars project. I do not think we´ll ever really know what happened tbh. I have no problem with Holt by the way. Just the wrong person for this project. I liked Loki. artus_grayboot, Tydirium and igger6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Gitz 85 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 I can’t even begin… I’m going to sound like a “get off my lawn” a-hole here but it’s really disheartening to see Star Wars start to take on the RCP aesthetic. I guess it started in Mando. But in Mando is kinda works since the show is a new thing and not tied too much to the past. But this series? This series and it’s music was just a huge let down, so off the mark, so…wrong, it baffles me. It felt cheap. It felt generic. This score is just emblematic of scores in general these days. God I sound like a “back in my day…” old fart. But damn it! It’s kinda true. We no longer hear strong memorable themes. Why is that? It seems mood and tone rule the day. Instead of “Where have all the cowboys gone?” The song should now be “Where have all the memorable themes gone?” The MCU is 20+ films deep and I couldn’t hum a note of it. Now of course there’s more to film scoring than that but… is there a single “new” composer getting major opportunities that hasn’t come out of the Hans Zimmer factory or utilizes his general approach to music? Where are all the composers to get excited about? The John Williams & Howard Shores of the world aren’t getting any younger. I remember when Michael Giacchino once held so much promise when he bust on to the scene. LOST & Incredibles in the same year! Now it’s as if he works on auto pilot. He had a great 4-5 run and then it turned to meh. Everyone flipped for his Batman score but for me it was just a huge letdown. His theme was far too similar in its idea to Zimmer’s rising two note theme. Yay! More pounding Dun, Dun, Dun music! And by Merlin’s beard why oh why have composers abandoned “the March”? Anyone remember “the March”? It’s dead now. I think Alan Silvestri attempted a Captain America March, didn’t he? But it just didn’t quite get there. As for this Obi Wan show…It’s pretty amazing that 90 year old John Williams can write a 5 minute theme for a TV show & it blows every cue written in the last 12 months out of the water. And then the show doesn’t even adapt the theme properly and use it in it’s entirety. I’ve watched the CGI animated Star Wars shows and they did a pretty good job adapting JW’s work. Kevin Kliner. Why not give him a shot? Alas..I should say, the Hans Zimmer’s of the world have their place and sometimes those score produce brilliant work. But my god. It’s just taken over everything. it’s as if producers and composers are terrified of coming off as “old fashioned” & “corny”. I still remember the disconnect I felt when everyone seemed to be raving about Zimmer’s “Man of Steel” score. All I heard was unstructured noise and percussion with the occasional bland piano motif. I mean here is a character known for his awesome memorable themes from John Williams and then Shirley Walker yet in 2013 we get rising and descending tones and lots of drums. Then again. Maybe it’s just me. I can’t even remember the last film score that totally blew me away. kinda sad. Taikomochi, tee_oh, crumbs and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 I very strongly feel that Ludwig's music in general does not sound like cookie cutter RCP. Using synthetic sounds does not automatically = RCP. He has his own voice and approach that sounds nothing like Balfe & co. Tydirium, Brónach, DarthDementous and 10 others 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 It always leaves me peeved whenever people talk so much of things they either rarely ever listen to or deliberately go out of their way to mischaracterize because it doesn't even begin to get close to what they want. I just wish there was someone out there who could bother making an active effort to discuss how the actual RCP machine functions in-depth, because the same simple critiques just doesn't cut it from those who are so blatantly tilted towards the opposite taste wise. Bofur01 and artus_grayboot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Alex said: Something tells me Kathleen Kennedy wasn´t as hands on with Kenobi as she normally is with Star Wars projects (what with Mando, Ahsoka, Andor in production etc) and so she let Chow just get on with it. Then, maybe, she came to have a look at what was going on, heard the score, went "What the f*** is this?", panicked, called JW, JW goes, "Yeah, no thanks, I´ll give you a theme, but that´s it", then they get Bill Ross involved to adapt the theme and write additional music. What a mess. Lol, I still think JW’s “I only want to write a theme for Benny” quote literally meant “I ONLY want to write a theme for Benny”—as in, they asked him to do way more/the whole show, and that’s all he was willing to do. That quote reeked of PR spin ever since I read it, imo. 38 minutes ago, Alex said: Also, how bad it would look to give the boot to the only woman to score a Star Wars project. I honestly think that’s why they waited so long to announce her. They were seeing what else could be done (maybe like, how much stuff William Ross could rescore in a short amount of time) before committing to officially, publicly naming her as the composer. If Ross was able to write more than he ended up writing, I have little doubt that they would have just announced him as the main composer. artus_grayboot and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post enderdrag64 624 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Mr. Gitz said: The MCU is 20+ films deep and I couldn’t hum a note of it. Now of course there’s more to film scoring than that but… Say what you want about the MCU's lack of thematic consistency and unmemorability of some of its films' music, but there are some films in it that have some pretty great scores. They are also usually very orchestral, much moreso than a lot of other modern films. Consider Patrick Doyle's Thor score, Alan Silvestri's Avengers score, Ghiaccino's Doctor Strange and Spider-man trilogy scores. igger6, Obi, Bofur01 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, HunterTech said: I don't know. I think if whole episodes are near entirely Ross for what's supposed to be a minor rescore/adaptation gig (especially when a lot of it doesn't involve the Obi-Wan theme), then I don't think it far fetched to believe there's more to the story. Especially with how quiet Lucasfilm/Disney has been about it, given they would have you believe Holt is the only person of importance (despite her admitting her own main theme got replaced, and had very little to do with the final one). And I say this as someone who's still fairly defensive of Holt, and would sooner blame everything on the higher ups than her specifically. I legit think there is way more to this story and maybe Holt isn’t the bad guy? Idk but maybe she was given different directions Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Has anyone listened to this? I'm curious if there's any glimpses of any behind the scenes info on the score in it, but I don't have Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-score-41-natalie-holt-obi-wan-kenobi/id1357882784?i=1000563421396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I didn't realize Score had taken their podcast to paid sub only. Ha! Yeah no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Stu said: I didn't realize Score had taken their podcast to paid sub only. Ha! Yeah no thanks. Damn that’s disappointing. The subscription costs more than Netflix, HBO or Disney Plus so I can’t see myself subscribing. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 They have clips of their Holt interview on youtube https://www.youtube.com/c/EpicleffMedia/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Those duel scenes with tracked williams music feel almost cinematic unlike the show. Trope and DangerMotif 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 11 hours ago, Chewy said: Samples available here: https://www.disneymusiclicensing.com/album/MTk2NDEzNS04N2FhMmI Well shit, looks like they were taken down. Did anyone save them? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 hours ago, artus_grayboot said: I tuned into a little bit of Rebel Force Radio’s latest episode to hear what they thought, and when Jimmy Mac said it was awesome and he’s seen it twice already, I literally yelled “What?!” It’s weird. There’s a level of accepting mediocrity that’s going on and it’s really sad. Watching this latest episode makes me want to watch the actual movies or just something I know is good to cleanse my palate! the thing is I genuinely really enjoyed the show, I'm not "easily pleased" per say but I'm looking for different things then the average fan it would seem. I do wish the music in the show was better even though I do enjoy quite a few songs from it. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dylanskie 104 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 I'm excited to listen to Holt's work on the album. I don't even remember this cue from the show, so I'm wondering if the poor quality of the first 4.5 episodes prevented me from noticing some good moments in the score artus_grayboot, DarthDementous and Yavar Moradi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DiamondFire 67 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Well shit, looks like they were taken down. Did anyone save them? Didn't think they would take it down so only a few.https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107335.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=8a6cfea8fbe6baaf1b0cbb68b579644aa76d0b584c98770293f87cfd844f2b0chttps://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107015.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=a7d725e1ffd72b787f06a5d0dcc14f3f6230c55565144c2b527065a910c131e8https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107423.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=ad03c59d67eb359fb610ca8f6c4bcd86018c8766cb213bcd95fadcf8698079e3https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107783.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=8a28196c2511e6ac2dc9a473e700d15f2b5bcf7d6709c1f96579b96a42ced7ea - this one is so fucking good and anybody who says otherwise I challenge you to a Minecraft 1v1 <3 https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107823.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=4bb49a24e54390147815e0913e3b96c624d6248b195b8bf63b91a26f3e19c8e7 https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107855.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=913a06c924555adf8069822e75d0400c627b5340b473dfa0ed8245091fbcf264 Just now, dylanskie said: I'm excited to listen to Holt's work on the album. I don't even remember this cue from the show, so I'm wondering if the poor quality of the first 4.5 episodes prevented me from noticing some good moments in the score Thats on the soundtrack and it was VERY noticeable in the episode. To the point where I'm shocked you didn't notice haha. Manakin Skywalker, Taikomochi, Oswin Pond and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,957 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Okay, I know that a few of the epiaode credited Ross for additional music. But where does everybody get the idea from the some episodes are 75% his music. I don't really get where those statements around that come from. If it's true, fine. But I find it weird making those comments without any proof dylanskie and artus_grayboot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: Okay, I know that a few of the epiaode credited Ross for additional music. But where does everybody get the idea from the some episodes are 75% his music. I don't really get where those statements around that come from. If it's true, fine. But I find it weird making those comments without any proof Because he has a distinct style and even a motif or two that he wrote that appear in many of his cues (like the "helmets" motif), and of course the usage of John's theme. I don't think he scored that much of the show, but certainly around 1/3. Tydirium and artus_grayboot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, DiamondFire said: https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107423.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=ad03c59d67eb359fb610ca8f6c4bcd86018c8766cb213bcd95fadcf8698079e3 @ 0:30: I take back whatever I said about Holt's score because I really enjoyed these samples! The vocal cues really stayed with me after watching the finale yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 471 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, enderdrag64 said: Has anyone listened to this? I'm curious if there's any glimpses of any behind the scenes info on the score in it, but I don't have Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-score-41-natalie-holt-obi-wan-kenobi/id1357882784?i=1000563421396 These 3.5 minutes are worth your time. John Williams got a birthday song and there are piano sketches of the Obi-Wan Theme played by JW himself. What I would give to hear this.... enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,598 Posted June 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Mr. Gitz said: The MCU is 20+ films deep and I couldn’t hum a note of it. That seems like an exaggeration... not even these two themes? I think they're ridiculously catchy: 4 hours ago, Mr. Gitz said: is there a single “new” composer getting major opportunities that hasn’t come out of the Hans Zimmer factory or utilizes his general approach to music? Where are all the composers to get excited about? Christophe Beck? Bear McCreary? Austin Wintory? Carlos Rafael Rivera? Hell...Hesham Nazih? And maybe you only consider big Hollywood things to be "major opportunities" but if not, may I recommend Panu Aaltio? Yavar Tiburon, Brónach, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 4 hours ago, dylanskie said: I take back whatever I said about Holt's score because I really enjoyed these samples! The vocal cues really stayed with me after watching the finale yesterday. If you're referring to the vocal cue from the finale (during the Vader v Obi duel), it's credited to Ross, not Holt. DangerMotif and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted June 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2022 Poor Bill Ross has been done dirty. Everyone on Twitter is attributing his music to Holt 😭 crumbs, Tydirium, artus_grayboot and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 At least we can tell Lucasfilm PR team is doing its job artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Maybe someone already mentioned this but I didn’t see it. Does Disney have any plans for releasing Natalie Holt’s score of Obi Wan beyond John Williams main theme? Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Indianagirl said: Maybe someone already mentioned this but I didn’t see it. Does Disney have any plans for releasing Natalie Holt’s score of Obi Wan beyond John Williams main theme? A CD-length OST with the single, a lot of Holt and some Ross music is coming. You can scroll back for a tracklist. Indianagirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 20 hours ago, DiamondFire said: Why do we owe Giacchino an apology? He got universal praise (maybe not on here I wasn't here at the time) in the Star Wars Fandom 15 hours ago, Falstaft said: a variant of the Obi Wan theme that, by sheer virtue of the consistency of Williams's melodic language, kind of resembles Qui Gon's motif if you really want it to.. Hahahaha, I do. I do indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,356 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: That seems like an exaggeration... not even these two themes? I think they're ridiculously catchy: Sorry, I know, it is completely off-topic. But for me the probably catchiest MCU tune is this "bondy" theme from Antman and the Wasp. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jim Ware 526 Posted June 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2022 12 hours ago, dylanskie said: @ 0:30: I take back whatever I said about Holt's score because I really enjoyed these samples! The vocal cues really stayed with me after watching the finale yesterday. That's a Bill Ross cue. 12 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: But where does everybody get the idea from the some episodes are 75% his music. I don't really get where those statements around that come from. If it's true, fine. But I find it weird making those comments without any proof Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not. Tydirium, crumbs, Arpy and 2 others 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Jim Ware said: That's a Bill Ross cue. Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not. The thing that gets me is... what is "Star Wars" its so hard to define. TCWS1 Orchestral Techno is also very Star Wars as is all the stuff Joseph and Ludwig have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Alex said: Poor Bill Ross has been done dirty. Everyone on Twitter is attributing his music to Holt 😭 It could have been worse - Holt's music could have been attributed to Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted June 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Jim Ware said: Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not. And the difference is painfully obvious most of the time. Not only the basics of orchestral writing but the mastering/recording sounds completely different as well. It became pretty obvious after episode 4 that we were dealing with two totally separate scoring approaches, practically competing with each other from scene to scene. MikeH, Tydirium, Chewy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 It is funny the most of the setpieces are scored by Ross, yeat the commoner attributes those to Holt. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Jim Ware said: Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not. So what you're saying is that Holt's music is more innovative than Ross. Manakin Skywalker, Courtney Sees Ghosts and DarthDementous 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 21 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: And maybe you only consider big Hollywood things to be "major opportunities" but if not, may I recommend Panu Aaltio? Do you have links for Panu, or any pieces you like? I've not heard this name before and am curious to give the music a listen! Thanks for sharing. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,598 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 hour ago, artus_grayboot said: Do you have links for Panu, or any pieces you like? I've not heard this name before and am curious to give the music a listen! Thanks for sharing. Gladly! These are the two scores that made me fall in love with him over a decade ago! All tracks are on YouTube I believe, but if you have Spotify or another streaming service the full albums should be there too: The latter received two follow-up documentaries (Tale of a Lake and Tale of the Sleeping Giants, the latter of which only came out last year). Each of these was scored by Aaltio and all three won the International Film Music Critics Association's "Best Documentary Score" category in their respective years, very deservedly so. Occasionally Aaltio has to work with samples for budgetary reasons and those are the scores of his I tend to find more disappointing (not his fault at all). But when he has an orchestra at his disposal he's one of the greatest composers working in film today. @artus_grayboot The MovieScore Media label has greatly championed Aaltio's work, releasing at least 10 albums of his music over the past dozen years: https://moviescoremedia.com/newsite/?s=aaltio&searchsubmit=Search Once MovieScore Media largely stopped pressing CD editions, the wonderful Spanish label Quartet stepped up and started producing limited-run CD editions (sadly all OOP now): https://quartetrecords.com/shop/composers/aaltio-panu/ But all MSM Aaltio releases are still available for lossless download purchase in multiple places, as well as streaming on multiple platforms. I think this is the only Aaltio score released by a different label than those two: https://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/101027/Hella+W Yavar artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Did anyone hear the hyped up Hunting Horn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted June 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 23/06/2022 at 8:08 AM, Falstaft said: What are we left with?: some repeated minor trumpet chords and goddawful choral sample that maybe was intended to evoke Battle of the Heroes, and a variant of the Obi Wan theme that, by sheer virtue of the consistency of Williams's melodic language, kind of resembles Qui Gon's motif if you really want it to. I've said it before, but how profound would a tiny hint of Across the Stars have been when Obi Wan was circumlocuting about Padme? This is what leitmotifs are for, stating in emotional terms what characters cannot in words, connecting events of the past to developments in the present, deepening a scene rather than simply underscoring it. How many other such opportunities for musical commentary, resonance, storytelling were missed? This sums up my thoughts on Obi-Wan Kenobi's music. I won't rehash too much of what's already been said, but I was overall disappointed in the music. I really enjoyed Ludwig's Mando music, and Shirley's work with Ludwig's themes in BoBF...I don't really have a problem with deviating from the 'star warsy sound' necessarily. As others have mentioned, because this is such an extension of the prequels, it didn't feel 'right' to not hear certain themes during certain key moments...and I really don't think Natalie's comments on needing to 'seed' the themes makes sense since we chronologically already have Vader's, Leia's and the force theme from before this series takes place. I'm not saying every theme that could show up, should show up... but at least some key moments should have had themes. Examples: -bit of Luke's theme when we first see him -force theme for at least that one moment where Ben uses the force for the first time in a while to catch Leia -Leia's theme could play in a number of spots -Vader's theme for at the very least his first appearance in the show, and would make sense in a number of other scenes I don't mind Qui-Gon's theme not appearing. Battle of the Heroe's quote could have been cool, but would be fine for me for their duel to have other music, although I didn't really like their duel music in the finale (I should listen again though, only watched it once). I did like some of Natalie's music...the things that come to mind were in that planet in Episode 2, and the midwest-United-States-looking-planet in Episode 3. I was not a fan of her Inquisitor theme(?) that plays when Reva arrives at the Fortress Inquisitorious. I really enjoy Williams' new theme, but I do think it's overused in the series. I enjoyed a lot of William Ross's work for the most part and I really hope this shows those who make decisions that Ross should really be considered for a Star Wars project in the future, and certainly if we do get 'Obi-Wan - Season 2: Ben gets a house', then I hope they give it to Ross completely. Evanus, Trope, Tydirium and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, MrJosh said: if we do get 'Obi-Wan - Season 2: Ben gets a house', then I hope they give it to Ross completely. and let him use previous themes MrJosh, ThePenitentMan1, artus_grayboot and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 hours ago, MrJosh said: I'm not saying every theme that could show up, should show up... but at least some key moments should have had themes. Examples: -bit of Luke's theme when we first see him -force theme for at least that one moment where Ben uses the force for the first time in a while to catch Leia -Leia's theme could play in a number of spots -Vader's theme for at the very least his first appearance in the show, and would make sense in a number of other scenes Personally i am fine with the lack of force theme for catching Leia, as it is focusing more on Obi-Wan's personal journey (such as it is) in this show, instead of just: "HE DID THE THING!, HE USED THE FORCE!!!" I would have used it as a stinger to lead out of the "What does the Force feel like?" discussion MrJosh and Oswin Pond 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 These days, I am grateful for the lack of the Force theme in any shape or form. John has really killed the theme with his last two sequels. 😄 Karol Oswin Pond and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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