Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)

[Van_Etten 111]

1 hour ago, Tydirium said:

I don’t even know what to say…

Guy has over 2 thousand followers, barely gets any likes.

[Alex 2,833]

Something tells me Kathleen Kennedy wasn´t as hands on with Kenobi as she normally is with Star Wars projects (what with Mando, Ahsoka, Andor in production etc) and so she let Chow just get on with it. Then, maybe, she came to have a look at what was going on, heard the score, went "What the f*** is this?", panicked, called JW, JW goes, "Yeah, no thanks, I´ll give you a theme, but that´s it", then they get Bill Ross involved to adapt the theme and write additional music. What a mess.

[Van_Etten 111]

Plain and simple reject and delay would do better.

[GerateWohl 4,329]

1 hour ago, Stu said:

I hope that some board members have a little more respect, even if still not appreciation, for Ludwig's work now.

I am not aware of such failure.

[Jay 37,285]

1 hour ago, Falstaft said:

I've said it before, but how profound would a tiny hint of Across the Stars have been when Obi Wan was circumlocuting about Padme? This is what leitmotifs are for, stating in emotional terms what characters cannot in words, connecting events of the past to developments in the present, deepening a scene rather than simply underscoring it. How many other such opportunities for musical commentary, resonance, storytelling were missed?

 

Very, very, very well said

[artus_grayboot 77]

1 hour ago, Tydirium said:

I don’t even know what to say…

I tuned into a little bit of Rebel Force Radio’s latest episode to hear what they thought, and when Jimmy Mac said it was awesome and he’s seen it twice already, I literally yelled “What?!” It’s weird. There’s a level of accepting mediocrity that’s going on and it’s really sad. Watching this latest episode makes me want to watch the actual movies or just something I know is good to cleanse my palate!

[Richard Penna 3,670]

24 minutes ago, Alex said:

Something tells me Kathleen Kennedy wasn´t as hands on with Kenobi as she normally is with Star Wars projects (what with Mando, Ahsoka, Andor in production etc) and so she let Chow just get on with it. Then, maybe, she came to have a look at what was going on, heard the score, went "What the f*** is this?", panicked, called JW, JW goes, "Yeah, no thanks, I´ll give you a theme, but that´s it", then they get Bill Ross involved to adapt the theme and write additional music. What a mess.

 

Fair assessment, but I think that if you've decided that you don't like Holt's music (or you're upset that they didn't stay the traditional 'SW' route), you're trying to convince yourself that JW's/Ross' involvement was a rescue effort, when there's no solid evidence at all about what happened.

 

If they really didn't like her score then surely the album wouldn't mostly contain her material, and ultimately if you hate the direction they went in, blame the director. I hate to be the usual composer apologist, but if the execs don't like a score for a big series, it's not staying. 

[HunterTech 987]

I don't know. I think if whole episodes are near entirely Ross for what's supposed to be a minor rescore/adaptation gig (especially when a lot of it doesn't involve the Obi-Wan theme), then I don't think it far fetched to believe there's more to the story. Especially with how quiet Lucasfilm/Disney has been about it, given they would have you believe Holt is the only person of importance (despite her admitting her own main theme got replaced, and had very little to do with the final one).

 

And I say this as someone who's still fairly defensive of Holt, and would sooner blame everything on the higher ups than her specifically.

[Alex 2,833]

48 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

 

Fair assessment, but I think that if you've decided that you don't like Holt's music (or you're upset that they didn't stay the traditional 'SW' route), you're trying to convince yourself that JW's/Ross' involvement was a rescue effort, when there's no solid evidence at all about what happened.

 

If they really didn't like her score then surely the album wouldn't mostly contain her material, and ultimately if you hate the direction they went in, blame the director. I hate to be the usual composer apologist, but if the execs don't like a score for a big series, it's not staying. 

 

Fair, but I think the fact that Holt had written an Obi theme already, and suddenly JW comes on board, and Ross takes over all the adaptations could be a sign. With Solo, John Powell knew of JW´s involvement well in advance. Also, how bad it would look to give the boot to the only woman to score a Star Wars project. I do not think we´ll ever really know what happened tbh.

 

I have no problem with Holt by the way. Just the wrong person for this project. I liked Loki.

[Mr. Gitz 85]

I can’t even begin…

 

I’m going to sound like a “get off my lawn” a-hole here but it’s really disheartening to see Star Wars start to take on the RCP aesthetic. I guess it started in Mando. But in Mando is kinda works since the show is a new thing and not tied too much to the past. But this series? This series and it’s music was just a huge let down, so off the mark, so…wrong, it baffles me. It felt cheap. It felt generic. 
 

This score is just emblematic of scores in general these days. God I sound like a “back in my day…” old fart. But damn it! It’s kinda true. We no longer hear strong memorable themes. Why is that? It seems mood and tone rule the day.

 

Instead of “Where have all the cowboys gone?” The song should now be “Where have all the memorable themes gone?”

 

The MCU is 20+ films deep and I couldn’t hum a note of it. Now of course there’s more to film scoring than that but…

 

is there a single “new” composer getting major opportunities that hasn’t come out of the Hans Zimmer factory or utilizes his general approach to music? Where are all the composers to get excited about?

 

The John Williams & Howard Shores of the world aren’t getting any younger. 
 

I remember when Michael Giacchino once held so much promise when he bust on to the scene. LOST & Incredibles in the same year! Now it’s as if he works on auto pilot. He had a great 4-5 run and then it turned to meh. Everyone flipped for his Batman score but for me it was just a huge letdown. His theme was far too similar in its idea to Zimmer’s rising two note theme. Yay! More pounding Dun, Dun, Dun music!
 

And by Merlin’s beard why oh why have composers abandoned “the March”? Anyone remember “the March”? It’s dead now. I think Alan Silvestri attempted a Captain America March, didn’t he? But it just didn’t quite get there.
 

As for this Obi Wan show…It’s pretty amazing that 90 year old John Williams can write a 5 minute theme for a TV show & it blows every cue written in the last 12 months out of the water. And then the show doesn’t even adapt the theme properly and use it in it’s entirety. I’ve watched the CGI animated Star Wars shows and they did a pretty good job adapting JW’s work. Kevin Kliner. Why not give him a shot?
 

Alas..I should say, the Hans Zimmer’s of the world have their place and sometimes those score produce brilliant work. But my god. It’s just taken over everything. 
 

it’s as if producers and composers are terrified of coming off as “old fashioned” & “corny”. 
 

I still remember the disconnect I felt when everyone seemed to be raving about Zimmer’s “Man of Steel” score. All I heard was unstructured noise and percussion with the occasional bland piano motif. I mean here is a character known for his awesome memorable themes from John Williams and then Shirley Walker yet in 2013 we get rising and descending tones and lots of drums. 
 

Then again. Maybe it’s just me. I can’t even remember the last film score that totally blew me away. kinda sad. 

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I very strongly feel that Ludwig's music in general does not sound like cookie cutter RCP.  Using synthetic sounds does not automatically = RCP.  He has his own voice and approach that sounds nothing like Balfe & co.

[HunterTech 987]

It always leaves me peeved whenever people talk so much of things they either rarely ever listen to or deliberately go out of their way to mischaracterize because it doesn't even begin to get close to what they want.

 

I just wish there was someone out there who could bother making an active effort to discuss how the actual RCP machine functions in-depth, because the same simple critiques just doesn't cut it from those who are so blatantly tilted towards the opposite taste wise.

[Tydirium 1,166]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Something tells me Kathleen Kennedy wasn´t as hands on with Kenobi as she normally is with Star Wars projects (what with Mando, Ahsoka, Andor in production etc) and so she let Chow just get on with it. Then, maybe, she came to have a look at what was going on, heard the score, went "What the f*** is this?", panicked, called JW, JW goes, "Yeah, no thanks, I´ll give you a theme, but that´s it", then they get Bill Ross involved to adapt the theme and write additional music. What a mess.

Lol, I still think JW’s “I only want to write a theme for Benny” quote literally meant “I ONLY want to write a theme for Benny”—as in, they asked him to do way more/the whole show, and that’s all he was willing to do. That quote reeked of PR spin ever since I read it, imo.

 

38 minutes ago, Alex said:

Also, how bad it would look to give the boot to the only woman to score a Star Wars project.

I honestly think that’s why they waited so long to announce her. They were seeing what else could be done (maybe like, how much stuff William Ross could rescore in a short amount of time) before committing to officially, publicly naming her as the composer. If Ross was able to write more than he ended up writing, I have little doubt that they would have just announced him as the main composer.

[enderdrag64 624]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Gitz said:

 

The MCU is 20+ films deep and I couldn’t hum a note of it. Now of course there’s more to film scoring than that but…

 

Say what you want about the MCU's lack of thematic consistency and unmemorability of some of its films' music, but there are some films in it that have some pretty great scores. They are also usually very orchestral, much moreso than a lot of other modern films. Consider Patrick Doyle's Thor score, Alan Silvestri's Avengers score, Ghiaccino's Doctor Strange and Spider-man trilogy scores. 

[DangerMotif 1,037]

1 hour ago, HunterTech said:

I don't know. I think if whole episodes are near entirely Ross for what's supposed to be a minor rescore/adaptation gig (especially when a lot of it doesn't involve the Obi-Wan theme), then I don't think it far fetched to believe there's more to the story. Especially with how quiet Lucasfilm/Disney has been about it, given they would have you believe Holt is the only person of importance (despite her admitting her own main theme got replaced, and had very little to do with the final one).

 

And I say this as someone who's still fairly defensive of Holt, and would sooner blame everything on the higher ups than her specifically.

I legit think there is way more to this story and maybe Holt isn’t the bad guy? Idk but maybe she was given different directions

[enderdrag64 624]

Has anyone listened to this? I'm curious if there's any glimpses of any behind the scenes info on the score in it, but I don't have Apple Podcasts

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-score-41-natalie-holt-obi-wan-kenobi/id1357882784?i=1000563421396

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I didn't realize Score had taken their podcast to paid sub only.  Ha!  Yeah no thanks.

[Mr. Who 919]

1 minute ago, Stu said:

I didn't realize Score had taken their podcast to paid sub only.  Ha!  Yeah no thanks.

Damn that’s disappointing. The subscription costs more than Netflix, HBO or Disney Plus so I can’t see myself subscribing.

[Jay 37,285]

They have clips of their Holt interview on youtube

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/EpicleffMedia/videos

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Those duel scenes with tracked williams music feel almost cinematic unlike the show.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

11 hours ago, Chewy said:

Samples available here: https://www.disneymusiclicensing.com/album/MTk2NDEzNS04N2FhMmI

 

Well shit, looks like they were taken down. Did anyone save them? 

[DiamondFire 67]

4 hours ago, artus_grayboot said:

I tuned into a little bit of Rebel Force Radio’s latest episode to hear what they thought, and when Jimmy Mac said it was awesome and he’s seen it twice already, I literally yelled “What?!” It’s weird. There’s a level of accepting mediocrity that’s going on and it’s really sad. Watching this latest episode makes me want to watch the actual movies or just something I know is good to cleanse my palate!

the thing is I genuinely really enjoyed the show, I'm not "easily pleased" per say but I'm looking for different things then the average fan it would seem.

I do wish the music in the show was better even though I do enjoy quite a few songs from it. 

[dylanskie 104]

 

I'm excited to listen to Holt's work on the album. I don't even remember this cue from the show, so I'm wondering if the poor quality of the first 4.5 episodes prevented me from noticing some good moments in the score

[DiamondFire 67]

24 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Well shit, looks like they were taken down. Did anyone save them? 

Didn't think they would take it down so only a few.

https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107335.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=8a6cfea8fbe6baaf1b0cbb68b579644aa76d0b584c98770293f87cfd844f2b0c

https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107015.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=a7d725e1ffd72b787f06a5d0dcc14f3f6230c55565144c2b527065a910c131e8

https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107423.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=ad03c59d67eb359fb610ca8f6c4bcd86018c8766cb213bcd95fadcf8698079e3

https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107783.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=8a28196c2511e6ac2dc9a473e700d15f2b5bcf7d6709c1f96579b96a42ced7ea - this one is so fucking good and anybody who says otherwise I challenge you to a Minecraft 1v1 <3

 

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Just now, dylanskie said:

 

I'm excited to listen to Holt's work on the album. I don't even remember this cue from the show, so I'm wondering if the poor quality of the first 4.5 episodes prevented me from noticing some good moments in the score

Thats on the soundtrack and it was VERY noticeable in the episode. To the point where I'm shocked you didn't notice haha.

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

Okay, I know that a few of the epiaode credited Ross for additional music.

 

But where does everybody get the idea from the some episodes are 75% his music. I don't really get where those statements around that come from.

If it's true, fine. But I find it weird making those comments without any proof

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

5 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

Okay, I know that a few of the epiaode credited Ross for additional music.

 

But where does everybody get the idea from the some episodes are 75% his music. I don't really get where those statements around that come from.

If it's true, fine. But I find it weird making those comments without any proof

 

Because he has a distinct style and even a motif or two that he wrote that appear in many of his cues (like the "helmets" motif), and of course the usage of John's theme. I don't think he scored that much of the show, but certainly around 1/3.

[dylanskie 104]

8 minutes ago, DiamondFire said:

https://synchtank-cdn-disney.s3.amazonaws.com/file_objects/266107423.mp3?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAYQRPJC5TEYKYC2UP%2F20220623%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220623T082932Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=259200&X-Amz-Signature=ad03c59d67eb359fb610ca8f6c4bcd86018c8766cb213bcd95fadcf8698079e3

 

@ 0:30:

 

 

I take back whatever I said about Holt's score because I really enjoyed these samples! The vocal cues really stayed with me after watching the finale yesterday.

[michael_grig 464]

2 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

Has anyone listened to this? I'm curious if there's any glimpses of any behind the scenes info on the score in it, but I don't have Apple Podcasts

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-score-41-natalie-holt-obi-wan-kenobi/id1357882784?i=1000563421396

These 3.5 minutes are worth your time. John Williams got a birthday song and there are piano sketches of the Obi-Wan Theme played by JW himself. What I would give to hear this....

[Yavar Moradi 2,585]

4 hours ago, Mr. Gitz said:

The MCU is 20+ films deep and I couldn’t hum a note of it.

 

That seems like an exaggeration... not even these two themes? I think they're ridiculously catchy:

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Gitz said:

is there a single “new” composer getting major opportunities that hasn’t come out of the Hans Zimmer factory or utilizes his general approach to music? Where are all the composers to get excited about?

 

Christophe Beck? Bear McCreary? Austin Wintory? Carlos Rafael Rivera? Hell...Hesham Nazih?

 

And maybe you only consider big Hollywood things to be "major opportunities" but if not, may I recommend Panu Aaltio?

 

Yavar

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4 hours ago, dylanskie said:

I take back whatever I said about Holt's score because I really enjoyed these samples! The vocal cues really stayed with me after watching the finale yesterday.

 

If you're referring to the vocal cue from the finale (during the Vader v Obi duel), it's credited to Ross, not Holt.

[Alex 2,833]

Poor Bill Ross has been done dirty. Everyone on Twitter is attributing his music to Holt 😭

[Van_Etten 111]

At least we can tell Lucasfilm PR team is doing its job

[Indianagirl 298]

Maybe someone already mentioned this but I didn’t see it. Does Disney have any plans for releasing Natalie Holt’s score of Obi Wan beyond John Williams main theme?

[Holko 9,499]

9 minutes ago, Indianagirl said:

Maybe someone already mentioned this but I didn’t see it. Does Disney have any plans for releasing Natalie Holt’s score of Obi Wan beyond John Williams main theme?

A CD-length OST with the single, a lot of Holt and some Ross music is coming. You can scroll back for a tracklist.

[Indianagirl 298]

Thank you!

[igger6 894]

20 hours ago, DiamondFire said:

Why do we owe Giacchino an apology? He got universal praise (maybe not on here I wasn't here at the time) in the Star Wars Fandom

15 hours ago, Falstaft said:

a variant of the Obi Wan theme that, by sheer virtue of the consistency of Williams's melodic language, kind of resembles Qui Gon's motif if you really want it to..

Hahahaha, I do. I do indeed!

[GerateWohl 4,329]

8 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

That seems like an exaggeration... not even these two themes? I think they're ridiculously catchy:

Sorry, I know, it is completely off-topic. But for me the probably catchiest MCU tune is this "bondy" theme from Antman and the Wasp.

 

 

[Jim Ware 526]

12 hours ago, dylanskie said:

 

@ 0:30:

 

 

I take back whatever I said about Holt's score because I really enjoyed these samples! The vocal cues really stayed with me after watching the finale yesterday.

 

That's a Bill Ross cue.

12 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said:

But where does everybody get the idea from the some episodes are 75% his music. I don't really get where those statements around that come from.

If it's true, fine. But I find it weird making those comments without any proof

Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not.

[DiamondFire 67]

2 hours ago, Jim Ware said:

 

That's a Bill Ross cue.

Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not.

The thing that gets me is... what is "Star Wars" its so hard to define.

TCWS1 Orchestral Techno is also very Star Wars as is all the stuff Joseph and Ludwig have done.

[Jurassic Shark 12,027]

8 hours ago, Alex said:

Poor Bill Ross has been done dirty. Everyone on Twitter is attributing his music to Holt 😭

 

It could have been worse - Holt's music could have been attributed to Ross.

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3 hours ago, Jim Ware said:

Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not.

 

And the difference is painfully obvious most of the time. Not only the basics of orchestral writing but the mastering/recording sounds completely different as well.

 

It became pretty obvious after episode 4 that we were dealing with two totally separate scoring approaches, practically competing with each other from scene to scene.

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

It is funny the most of the setpieces are scored by Ross, yeat the commoner attributes those to Holt.

[Jurassic Shark 12,027]

6 hours ago, Jim Ware said:

Ross' music sounds like Star Wars. Holt's...does not.

 

So what you're saying is that Holt's music is more innovative than Ross.

[artus_grayboot 77]

21 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

And maybe you only consider big Hollywood things to be "major opportunities" but if not, may I recommend Panu Aaltio?

Do you have links for Panu, or any pieces you like? I've not heard this name before and am curious to give the music a listen! Thanks for sharing.

[Yavar Moradi 2,585]

1 hour ago, artus_grayboot said:

Do you have links for Panu, or any pieces you like? I've not heard this name before and am curious to give the music a listen! Thanks for sharing.

 

Gladly! These are the two scores that made me fall in love with him over a decade ago! All tracks are on YouTube I believe, but if you have Spotify or another streaming service the full albums should be there too:

 

 

 

The latter received two follow-up documentaries (Tale of a Lake and Tale of the Sleeping Giants, the latter of which only came out last year). Each of these was scored by Aaltio and all three won the International Film Music Critics Association's "Best Documentary Score" category in their respective years, very deservedly so.

 

Occasionally Aaltio has to work with samples for budgetary reasons and those are the scores of his I tend to find more disappointing (not his fault at all). But when he has an orchestra at his disposal he's one of the greatest composers working in film today.

 

@artus_grayboot The MovieScore Media label has greatly championed Aaltio's work, releasing at least 10 albums of his music over the past dozen years:

https://moviescoremedia.com/newsite/?s=aaltio&searchsubmit=Search

 

Once MovieScore Media largely stopped pressing CD editions, the wonderful Spanish label Quartet stepped up and started producing limited-run CD editions (sadly all OOP now):

https://quartetrecords.com/shop/composers/aaltio-panu/

 

But all MSM Aaltio releases are still available for lossless download purchase in multiple places, as well as streaming on multiple platforms. I think this is the only Aaltio score released by a different label than those two: https://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/101027/Hella+W

 

Yavar

[DangerMotif 1,037]

Did anyone hear the hyped up Hunting Horn?

[MrJosh 892]

On 23/06/2022 at 8:08 AM, Falstaft said:

What are we left with?: some repeated minor trumpet chords and goddawful choral sample that maybe was intended to evoke Battle of the Heroes, and a variant of the Obi Wan theme that, by sheer virtue of the consistency of Williams's melodic language, kind of resembles Qui Gon's motif if you really want it to.

 

I've said it before, but how profound would a tiny hint of Across the Stars have been when Obi Wan was circumlocuting about Padme? This is what leitmotifs are for, stating in emotional terms what characters cannot in words, connecting events of the past to developments in the present, deepening a scene rather than simply underscoring it. How many other such opportunities for musical commentary, resonance, storytelling were missed?

 

 

This sums up my thoughts on Obi-Wan Kenobi's music. I won't rehash too much of what's already been said, but I was overall disappointed in the music. 

 

I really enjoyed Ludwig's Mando music, and Shirley's work with Ludwig's themes in BoBF...I don't really have a problem with deviating from the 'star warsy sound' necessarily. 

 

As others have mentioned, because this is such an extension of the prequels, it didn't feel 'right' to not hear certain themes during certain key moments...and I really don't think Natalie's comments on needing to 'seed' the themes makes sense since we chronologically already have Vader's, Leia's and the force theme from before this series takes place. 

 

I'm not saying every theme that could show up, should show up... but at least some key moments should have had themes. 

 

Examples:

-bit of Luke's theme when we first see him

-force theme for at least that one moment where Ben uses the force for the first time in a while to catch Leia

-Leia's theme could play in a number of spots

-Vader's theme for at the very least his first appearance in the show, and would make sense in a number of other scenes

 

I don't mind Qui-Gon's theme not appearing. Battle of the Heroe's quote could have been cool, but would be fine for me for their duel to have other music, although I didn't really like their duel music in the finale (I should listen again though, only watched it once). 

 

I did like some of Natalie's music...the things that come to mind were in that planet in Episode 2, and the midwest-United-States-looking-planet in Episode 3. I was not a fan of her Inquisitor theme(?) that plays when Reva arrives at the Fortress Inquisitorious. 

 

I really enjoy Williams' new theme, but I do think it's overused in the series. 

 

I enjoyed a lot of William Ross's work for the most part and I really hope this shows those who make decisions that Ross should really be considered for a Star Wars project in the future, and certainly if we do get 'Obi-Wan - Season 2: Ben gets a house', then I hope they give it to Ross completely. 

 

 

[DangerMotif 1,037]

50 minutes ago, MrJosh said:

if we do get 'Obi-Wan - Season 2: Ben gets a house', then I hope they give it to Ross completely. 

 

and let him use previous themes

[Faleel 5,336]

3 hours ago, MrJosh said:

 

 

 

I'm not saying every theme that could show up, should show up... but at least some key moments should have had themes. 

 

Examples:

-bit of Luke's theme when we first see him

-force theme for at least that one moment where Ben uses the force for the first time in a while to catch Leia

-Leia's theme could play in a number of spots

-Vader's theme for at the very least his first appearance in the show, and would make sense in a number of other scenes

Personally i am fine with the lack of force theme for catching Leia, as it is focusing more on Obi-Wan's personal journey (such as it is) in this show, instead of just:

 

"HE DID THE THING!, HE USED THE FORCE!!!"

 

I would have used it as a stinger to lead out of the "What does the Force feel like?" discussion

[crocodile 7,984]

These days, I am grateful for the lack of the Force theme in any shape or form. John has really killed the theme with his last two sequels. 😄

 

Karol