Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 As said, it’s Holt’s action writing that really let’s her down. some of the more lyrical stuff is alright. but having seen the show and listened to the album they should just have hired Ross and given him a free hand Dr. Know, Tydirium, GerateWohl and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,304 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said: As said, it’s Holt’s action writing that really let’s her down. some of the more lyrical stuff is alright. but having seen the show and listened to the album they should just have hired Ross and given him a free hand Yeah, I really like Hold Hands for example. I wish she'd been able to write more dramatic orchestral music like that. The biggest offender is the RCP inspired dreck parading as action music, which sounds absolutely nothing like Star Wars and could belong to any low budget TV schlock. The lack of existing themes doesn't annoy me; it's the lack of anything compelling in its place. As evidenced by JW himself, you can write original music rooted in the DNA of an established series without quoting older themes ad nauseam. Even Giacchino has worked that out (Fallen Kingdom) and Powell's Solo speaks for itself. Andy, artus_grayboot and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 IMHO this is the worst music for a Star Wars show... And I'm not a big fan of the score in The Mandalorian/Boba Fett or the Kevin Kiner music. Also, the Bill Ross tracks are way below expectations. Is he using an orchestra? Doesn't seem so... And his adaptation of the theme in the End Credits is too cheesy for my taste. And yes, I agree that the more melodic tracks from Holt are "ok" not much, just "ok" and no interesting at all. Anyway, I really like the Williams theme. I prefer it over the Galaxy Edge theme, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, DrTenma said: And his adaptation of the theme in the End Credits is too cheesy for my taste. YouTube lists Williams as the sole composer of End Credits, unlike the 6 other William Ross tracks (where the credit is shared). I think we can infer Williams wrote the alternate intro and outro used for the end credits. artus_grayboot and DrTenma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: There is a combination of hammering taiko drums, very high staccato violins and low brass ostinatos and even electronic rhythm support that can be heard for example in Order 66 and Inquisitor's Hunt that first of all sounds like Pirates of the Caribean or Gladiator, that I really dislike because it is killing most of the power of that wonderful body of sound of the orchestra. You have a collection of between 60 and 80 instruments and if you use them in a smart way you can unfold the biggest scale of dynamics and musical power, which was the original idea of using an orchestra in motion picture scores. But such kind of sound bricks that I described in the beginning is unworthy for such kind of instrumentation in my oppinion. This is really something, that you can create on your computer in your home studio with sound samples, if you like that. At least I can say, that is music, that I am completely uninterested in. There might be very very rare moments where a well prepared climax might sound like that. But this is obviously some kind multitrack trial and error studio composing type of music that is in my mind ok if you do techno or some other dancefloor stuff or maybe even an electronic score. But don't call that an orchestral score. But that's just my subjective old fashioned stubborn oppinion. I agree, but I'm fine with the drums in Solo, particularly on the deluxe version where they sound less processed. I'm okay with a bit of out-there orchestration if the foundation of the score has that lovely traditional orchestral Star Wars sound which Solo 100% has 31 minutes ago, crumbs said: YouTube lists Williams as the sole composer of End Credits, unlike the 6 other William Ross tracks (where the credit is shared). I think we can infer Williams wrote the alternate intro and outro used for the end credits. Odd, that contradicts the credit on spotify where it says William Ross is the sole composer of "End Credits" Tom Guernsey, Holko and artus_grayboot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,675 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 First listen through the album now and I'm liking Holt's material in general. Oddly Ross' first track lost me a bit in the middle. It's nice to hear the main theme in his material, but it feels overall a bit less engaging to me. Action music is definitely not her strong point - I usually like slightly trailerised action material and this is ok, but they definitely could've gotten better results for these sections. To those baffled by the varying credits, can't you just enjoy (or not) the music without worrying who wrote it? I honestly think some around here can't fully enjoy a piece of music if they're not 100% certain that JW wrote it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,988 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 Well, the album is still worth for those 31 minutes of Williams/Ross tracks. It actually flows quite nicely on its own as a mini-score. Karol Andy, Tydirium and Dr. Know 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Probably because of AFM. Not that Disney couldn't afford those fees though... AFM re-use fees ONLY apply to catalog expansions / premieres. OST albums released concurrent with the film/show can be as long as they want, no re-use fees are needed - because it's a not a RE use, it's the first, intended use enderdrag64 and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I’ve wondered how the AFM fees apply to multiple volumes of music from the same show (7 soundtracks to WandaVision, 2 soundtracks to BoBF, etc.). I think it’s clear that the reuse fees aren’t an issue since Disney actually releases scores that way, but not sure what makes it different from, say, a “More Music From…” release for a movie or show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 None of those would have re-use fees, because that is not a re-use, OST albums are included in the original, intended use enderdrag64 and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 It seems like a semantic argument to me. What makes a second (or third or seventh in some of these cases) volume of music from any TV show or movie fine to release without paying reuse fees? Theoretically could Disney have saved themselves a ton of money by putting only the unreleased music for Rogue One out and calling it a “More Music From” OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 I can't follow your logic. Those multiple volumes of Wanda and Mando are all OST albums, they aren't catalog expansions Tydirium and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Doesn't "re-use" literally imply that you are re-using music already released? A second volume hardly ever included material from an earlier volume (unless you include a main title track twice). Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 If a show or movie receives one release, why is the second/third/etc. release from the same show exempt from fees? What makes them OSTs when an original soundtrack has already been released? Proximity to release date of the media? 11 minutes ago, Laserschwert said: Doesn't "re-use" literally imply that you are re-using music already released? A second volume hardly ever included material from an earlier volume (unless you include a main title track twice). I guess that’s kind of what I’m getting at - could labels release second volumes of music from post-2008 scores without duplicating music from the first release, making them financially viable? Volume 2 OST would be ideal unless you’re some kind of C&C maniac Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Laserschwert said: Doesn't "re-use" literally imply that you are re-using music already released? No. All the AFM players who play on the recording of a film score get paid to record the music, and the filmmakers are then allowed to put anything recorded into the film/show as they please, and release any amount of it they want on OST album(s), no additional fees needed. Years later, if someone wants to make a new album that includes more music than was on the OST album, the music label releasing this new album has to pay the AFM a "re use fee" to include that music on the album, since the AFM now considers this new album a whole new "use" of the music, not the use the music was originally intended for. Of course everything is negotiable, so who knows what went on behind the scenes to allow those four AFM Giacchino scores (Star Treks and Rogue One) to get expansions so soon after original release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,740 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 hours ago, artguy360 said: Empire Arrival grates at me the same way the Imperial music in Rogue One does. It sounds too over the top. I know that's a strange criticism given how camp the Imperial March is, but this music sounds too heavy handed. Hold up! Stop the music! Are we really gonna let a member call The Imperial March "camp?" Shoot him! Or something. I can see an argument for calling Giacchino's Imperial theme campy, but the Imperial March is NOT camp. It's operatic, even melodramatic but it's GOOD at being those things. It's only when certain other composers have attempted to imitate these qualities with their own Imperial themes that we've ended up with "camp." artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post michael_grig 466 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 Hmm. The only time I've gotten chills from the music while listening to the album is during the Force Theme.... 16 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I believe I have found another, very subtle' qoute of The Imperial March theme. Cue 26. No Further Use at 2:10. Indeed! "No Further Use" is one of my favorite tracks on the album, it also has subtle references to the opening scene. But does this Imperial March reference also appear in the series? And as I understand it, Ross, not Holt, wrote the new Vader theme, only he actually uses it in his tracks. I think Ross should get a co-composer credit, he didn't just adapt the Obi-Wan theme by far. artus_grayboot, Oswin Pond, Andy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,304 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Michael G. said: I think Ross should get a co-composer credit, he didn't just adapt the Obi-Wan theme by far. Yep, it's clear at some point he went far beyond just adapting the Obi theme. But in Hollywood, screen credits are reflective of your contract, not reality. Tydirium, enderdrag64, Andy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 59 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: Hold up! Stop the music! Are we really gonna let a member call The Imperial March "camp?" Shoot him! Or something. I can see an argument for calling Giacchino's Imperial theme campy, but the Imperial March is NOT camp. It's operatic, even melodramatic but it's GOOD at being those things. It's only when certain other composers have attempted to imitate these qualities with their own Imperial themes that we've ended up with "camp." I'm pretty sure JW has described the Imperial March as camp in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 466 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, artguy360 said: I'm pretty sure JW has described the Imperial March as camp in the past. No, he always implied Imperial March as his best work in his humble words. He said of the SW Main Titles that they were a bit too 'overdone'. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,089 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I liked the use of Young Leia in the show, and I like it on the release. I know nothing of complexity of chord progressions, but this is pleasant and as others have described "lyrical". It reminds me of Chewbacca's Theme in Flying With Chewie, from Solo. It's not just Holt's action music. The world building music is insufferably generic. I feel like I'm listening to music engineered for a commercial, which I guess in a way I sort of am. Already planning my Williams/Ross only playlist. Oswin Pond and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 Can anybody post a list of what recurring themes Holt uses in her cues and in which tracks they appear in? Also, do we think that any cues composed by Peter Nickalls, Jon Opstad, Max Arujno, etc appear on this album, or do we think those remain unreleased and only Holt-composed stuff is here? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, Jay said: Can anybody post a list of what recurring themes Holt uses in her cues and in which tracks they appear in? Also, do we think that any cues composed by Peter Nickalls, Jon Opstad, Max Arujno, etc appear on this album, or do we think those remain unreleased and only Holt-composed stuff is here? I think 100% there's some stuff by them, but considering they all did work on all 6 its 100% that most of their stuff isn't heard there. I wonder did Holt upload all the stuff she actually did lol (or well most of it) and a lot of the unreleased stuff was done by the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 I just realized, the detailed youtube descriptions would probably list the correct composer of each track? I also just remembered that someone used one of those GEMA or SABAM or whatever sites to find out who composed each cue in every Mando and Boba episode, is that info up yet for Obi-Wan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Listening through it now...where is 'Ready to Go' from in the show? I only watched each episode once, but I don't remember this cue. Sounds kind of like one of Hans Zimmer's big emotional build-up type cues as it gets going toward the end of the crescendo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Jay said: None of those would have re-use fees, because that is not a re-use, OST albums are included in the original, intended use But then why did Townson choose to only release 30 minute albums for those 90s scores? He specifically stated that going over 30 minutes would be cost-prohibitive. Presumably the rules changed at some point to allow any duration of music to be released as an OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 Yea, from what we know the rules changed at some point after the 90s 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,089 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 No Further Use is a track title that outdoes Giacchino’s puns with a very “meta” metaphor. By sneaking in the Imperial March in this cue, you can almost hear Chow cautioning her with a finger wave and saying the track title. It also could be applied to the score in general. This is probably a one and done listen for me. LSH, igger6 and Tydirium 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,166 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but Apple Music interestingly lists John Williams as the sole composer of "The Journey Begins." Did JW write this cue himself, and Ross recorded it (like "End Credit")? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 This may have already been said, but will there be a CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 Extremely unlikely, a vinyl is way more likely Fabulin and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Jay said: OST albums released concurrent with the film/show can be as long as they want, no re-use fees are needed - because it's a not a RE use, it's the first, intended use Wasn't someone's argument that the film itself is the first, intended use, and that the album is considered re-use? I think MV might've cleared this up before but I can't remember. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 Well I think that was how it worked in the 90s (see all those short Varese OSTs) but then it changed sometime after that. There's a more modern quote from someone - maybe Mike? - around here somewhere that makes it very clear OST albums are now considered part of the original use, but I dunno how to find that quote at the moment Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,944 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 I think that this is how most people feel about the music for Obi-Wan https://zanobardreviews.com/2022/06/27/obi-wan-kenobi-soundtrack-review/ In all honestly I’m not sure what I was really expecting with the music for Kenobi, but damn I was hoping for better than this. I just don’t buy the excuses given by Natalie Holt regarding the reasons behind not really using the iconic themes (they needed earning, apparently) and even when they do appear, they don’t really appear well; short renditions a couple of seconds long that don’t deliver much in the way of emotional power, save perhaps for Princess Leia’s theme at the end of “Saving Goodbye”. If you’re going to claim the themes need earning and build up to them, then when the moments finally come at least use them well, like come on (seriously, not even a hint of “Battle Of The Heroes” in the final duel?). The musical style as I’ve said is also annoyingly inconsistent, even just using a more John Williams-esque sound overall I think would’ve helped the lack of themes a great deal (see Stephen Barton and Gordy Haab’s Fallen Order score for excellent evidence of this). This general musical discontinuity was perhaps forgiveable in The Mandalorian given its initial distance from the main saga, but the same cannot be said for Obi-Wan. At all. I wasn’t expecting like 100% note-for-note John Williams, but even forgiving the lack of themes for a moment, a much better job could have been done here. We all know it. Now, instead of a highly memorable, powerfully Star Wars Kenobi score, we got a fairly dull, meandering one that delivers very few actual highlights. In a week we’ll all have stopped talking about it, and that’ll be that. Tydirium, Manakin Skywalker, artus_grayboot and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 Interesting mix on the Ross cues. Horns, trumpets and woodwinds more on the left-side, low brass on the right. Usually hear trumpets on the right. Sounds like perhaps was a slightly smaller-than average ensemble maybe? or it just sounds a bit thin at times. Trope, artus_grayboot, Manakin Skywalker and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 Yeah it did sound like a very small ensemble. All of the instruments sounded very close to the mics, like the trumpets especially gave me the impression they were being played a meter away from my left ear. trumpet.wav MrJosh, Tydirium, artus_grayboot and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 19 minutes ago, MrJosh said: Interesting mix on the Ross cues. Horns, trumpets and woodwinds more on the left-side, low brass on the right. Usually hear trumpets on the right. Sounds like perhaps was a slightly smaller-than average ensemble maybe? or it just sounds a bit thin at times. 100%. You can hear it in the music. It's a smaller ensemble, not a full orchestra. MrJosh, Tydirium, Oswin Pond and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1977 1,743 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 I will happily purchase only the Williams and Ross tracks on iTunes and save myself 50% of the album price. What a disappointment. I was willing to give Holt another chance this morning but ended up skipping through her contributions to get to the Ross tracks. Even the more low-key stuff, while tolerable, is just so bland and slight it's not worth including. Next time hire a seasoned composer like Anne Dudley or Rachel Portman. Tydirium, Edmilson, Oswin Pond and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I think I Will Do What I Must is my least favorite of William Ross's cues on this release. I do wonder why he didn't quote any Battle of the Heroes or Vader's theme during this cue. I can understand not using BotH (or DotF) in full form because perhaps it's better to let those have their moments in the films, but could have been a cool idea to present some broken-up BotH, or just a few quotes, since Ben and Vader are having a rematch. Some of Natalie's underscore, the moodier stuff relating to Vader and Reva, feel to me like they'd be more at home in a Terminator film than Star Wars. Especially the music for after we first see Vader sitting in his chair in Ep3, very Terminator-ish. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, artguy360 said: 100%. You can hear it in the music. It's a smaller ensemble, not a full orchestra. Music clearly did not get the lion's share of the budget. artus_grayboot and Oswin Pond 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: Music clearly did not get the lion's share of the budget. Is there any part of the show that did? MaxTheHouseelf and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Been listening to some of it today - the last one I listened to was Some Things Can't Be Forgotten, so I'm about half-way I think. I am warming up to the Holt material. As some have already said, she does well with the more lyrical passages - I actually think they're pretty good. And overall, her music is Zimmer-like but not as terrible as perhaps I thought it was - while I don't like Zimmer usually, this wasn't as "one-note" as I originally thought. I think the lack of themes, production value and plot/story things really distracted me from this, however. It's like the Holt cues quote but don't quote them and the harmonies (same with Ross, but a little clearer due to orchestration perhaps) - it's like writing cryptic words that are vague enough to be interpreted in so many different ways that it can't be considered "wrong." It's not direct in what it's wanting to say, and that is perhaps more a function of the directors/producers than the composers. Tin foil hat time: there's a meandering theme I wanna say I keep hearing (maybe it's just the key) that makes me think this was the original Obi theme or the basis of it, and then perhaps Williams worked around that with the key or whatnot for what we now know as the Kenobi theme. Crazy theory but I dunno. I think it was in Daiyu that I picked up on this. Need to listen to it again though. I really like the Mapuzo cue with it's groove sensibility, and the nose flute + strings trading off that melody. I'm a sucker for world music like that which sets the stage for the new place/planet, and is just grand/sweeping like that. Cool harmonies too. The Ross material is certainly superior overall though. I actually really like the fact that it's a smaller ensemble and doesn't use a lot of the themes as it makes for a cool entry point to study Star Wars music/make some transcriptions for piano. Just my quick thoughts so far! Hope y'all are enjoying the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Talking about the bugdet, how many of you have hacked the show instead of subscribing to Disney+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,089 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, MrJosh said: I think I Will Do What I Must is my least favorite of William Ross's cues on this release. Me too. I’m glad you mentioned this cue. In fact, I had to check because I thought the percussion and mixing of this sounded more like a Holt cue. There is, iirc a Holt cue that uses the Williams Obi theme, and this one sounds very similar. Did Holt collaborate at all with Ross? I Will Do What I Must sticks out differently than all the other Ross cues to me. Tinfoil hat firmly in place, I don’t fully know if I trust the credits on this wonky, crazy troubled production. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/obi-wan-kenobi-composer-natalie-holt-john-williams Before Williams signed on, the composer had already been working on a theme of her own, though it didn't end up in the trash compactor. "I did use my Obi theme ... for when Obi and Leia hold hands in Episode 4," she reveals. With the approval of the master, Holt now had to find the musical middle (or should we say "high"?) ground between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. "Because we’re in the territory with Leia and Luke and Vader, we've got all these characters that are so precious to people. It’s just making sure that we were being respectful of the old, bringing in the new." All told, the scoring process took about three months, between December 2021 and late March/early April 2022. 1977, Tydirium and artus_grayboot 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 It's kind of nuts how many people in various groups I'm seeing complaining about the score all over the internet. Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter. No matter where you go it's all people saying how disappointed they were with the score overall, but often bringing up how Ross' music was the only saving grace. I was expecting this score to be more divisive than anything, but it's not. Everyone just seems so disappointed, particularly with Holt's music. It's interesting because I've seen several very small but vocal subgroups saying how much they'd want a Zimmer/RCP Star Wars score... well, here it is, and almost nobody is defending it. And even the tiny amount of people defending it still speak of disappointment in many areas of the score. The music isn't terrible, it's just not Star Wars. I know JWFan gets a fair amount of attention, and we have a lot of industry insiders here, well IF ANYONE FROM LUCASFILM/DISNEY IS READING THIS: just know that this score is definitive proof that a Hans Zimmer / RCP / contemporary / modern-styled score WILL NOT WORK for Star Wars. We've been saying it from the beginning, and here is your evidence. Star Wars' music was never meant to be "modern". That is the entire reason George Lucas wanted a classical score from the very beginning, even when the studios were pressuring him to do otherwise. MrJosh, Tiburon, Tydirium and 19 others 16 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 311 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Ross’s music is wonderful and like having new music by John Williams. I hope we one day get access to all the rest of the music he wrote for the show. Holt’s music is better on the OST than in the show, I would consider it fine with some good moments. But not Star Wars for the most part. artus_grayboot and Dr. Know 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 21 hours ago, Gibster said: "I did use my Obi theme ... for when Obi and Leia hold hands in Episode 4," she reveals. And I thought she said there was a similarity to Williams' theme. Replacing it was the right decision. It's not bad on it's own (or in the scene it accompanies), but it's nowhere strong enough to be the main theme of the entire show & main character. 1977 and Tydirium 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,166 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, Gibster said: https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/obi-wan-kenobi-composer-natalie-holt-john-williams Before Williams signed on, the composer had already been working on a theme of her own, though it didn't end up in the trash compactor. "I did use my Obi theme ... for when Obi and Leia hold hands in Episode 4," she reveals. With the approval of the master, Holt now had to find the musical middle (or should we say "high"?) ground between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. "Because we’re in the territory with Leia and Luke and Vader, we've got all these characters that are so precious to people. It’s just making sure that we were being respectful of the old, bringing in the new." All told, the scoring process took about three months, between December 2021 and late March/early April 2022. Assuming this is her Obi theme at 0:41? Oswin Pond and artus_grayboot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,089 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Star Wars' music was never meant to be "modern". That is the entire reason George Lucas wanted a classical score from the very beginning, even when the studios were pressuring him to do otherwise. Indeed. This RCP sound will be dated a few decades from now, while William’s symphonic fairy tale score will remain forever timeless. Manakin Skywalker, Brando, Dave and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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