Popular Post michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2022 I've done an overview of the themes of the Obi-Wan Kenobi series (more than you might think!) and identified how the album tracks are used in the episodes. In case of errors please report! Currently I'm still a little unsure about the "Agony" theme, so if anyone feels like checking this out, please do! Obi-Wan Kenobi Themes.pdf artus_grayboot, CGCJ, Falstaft and 8 others 6 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 Thank you, that's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Xan 1 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael G. said: I've done an overview of the themes of the Obi-Wan Kenobi series (more than you might think!) and identified how the album tracks are used in the episodes. In case of errors please report! Currently I'm still a little unsure about the "Agony" theme, so if anyone feels like checking this out, please do! Obi-Wan Kenobi Themes.pdf 114.02 kB · 8 downloads This is amazing, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oswin Pond 58 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael G. said: Currently I'm still a little unsure about the "Agony" theme, so if anyone feels like checking this out, please do! Obi-Wan Kenobi Themes.pdf 114.02 kB · 10 downloads Unsure about what? If it exists? I can confirm it does I noticed it in my viewing, glad to see it listed! michael_grig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2022 So if I am understand the document correctly, the album features 15 different themes? Williams' Obi-Wan (Williams) 01 Obi-Wan (A,B, Ostinato 1, Ostinato 2, Ostinato 3) (Ross) 06 The Journey Begins (Ostinato 1, A, B) (Ross) 13 First Rescue (A, Ostinato 1) (Ross) 18 Some Things Can't Be Forgotten (Ostinato 1, A, B) (Holt) 20 Hangar Escape (A) (Holt) 23 Dark Side Assault (A) (Ross) 24 I Will Do What I Must (A) (Ross) 27 Overcoming The Past (A, Ostinato 1) (Holt) 29 Who You Become (A) (Ross) 30 Saying Goodbye (A, B) (Ross) 31 End Credits (Ostinato 1, A, B, Ostinato 2, Ostinato 3) Williams' Imperial March (Holt) 22 Empire Arrival (Holt) 26 No Further Use (Ross) 27 Overcoming The Past Williams' Princess Leia (Ross) 30 Saying Goodbye Williams' The Force (Ross) 30 Saying Goodbye Ross's Logo Theme (Ross) 13 First Rescue (Ross) 18 Some Things Can't Be Forgotten Ross's Menacing Vader (Ross) 18 Some Things Can't Be Forgotten (Ross) 24 I Will Do What I Must (Ross) 27 Overcoming The Past Ross's Battle Theme (Ross) 24 I Will Do What I Must (Ross) 27 Overcoming The Past Holt's Reva/Inquisitors (Holt) 3 Inquisitor's Hunt (Holt) 11 Cat and Mouse (Holt) 17 Parallel Lines (Holt) 19 Stormtrooper Patrol (Holt) 22 Empire Assault (Holt) 26 No Further Use (Holt) 28 Tatooine Desert Chase Holt's Alderaan (Holt) 4 Young Leia (Holt) 5 Days of Alderaan (Holt) 7 Bail and Leia Holt's Young Leia (Holt) 4 Young Leia (Holt) 17 Parallel Lines (Holt) 23 Dark Side Assault Holt's Agony (Holt) 08 Nari's Shadow (Holt) 17 Parallel Lines (Holt) 25 Sacrifice Holt's Obi-Wan (Holt) 09 Ready To Go (Holt) 21 Hold Hands Holt's Daiyu (Holt) 10 Daiyu (Holt) 12 Spice Den Holt's Aggressive Vader (Holt) 11 Cat and Mouse (Holt) 16 Sensing Vader (Holt) 17 Parallel Lines (Holt) 26 No Further Use Holt's Stormtroopers (Holt) 19 Stormtrooper Patrol (Holt) 22 Empire Arrival (Holt) 23 Dark Side Assault Plus Dies Irae and whatever "Martial Chords" is... michael_grig, Andy, artus_grayboot and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 In the updated version, I have removed the trauma theme. The melodic structures are too different.... But still a very extensive thematic catalog, thanks for summarizing! artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 Updated version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Yup. It has the same title, I just replaced the original XD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 Ah, I see. I removed it from my summary then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 + you forgot the Dies Irae theme. It's a borderline case, of course, because it wouldn't really be composed by any of the three, but I think the two uses in this series are a nice continuation of the mysteriousness that this theme has in the Star Wars universe. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 I also realized that if the "Appearance in Episodes" column is all accurate, then you've also figured out the chronological order of the OST album Not in show (Williams) 01 Obi-wan (Holt) 09 Ready To Go Every episode (Ross) 31 End Credits Episode 1 (Holt) 02 Order 66 (Holt) 03 Inquisitor’s Hunt (Holt) 04 Young Leia (Holt) 05 Days of Alderaan (Holt) 07 Bail and Leia (Holt) 08 Nari’s Shadow (Ross) 06 The Journey Begins Episode 2 (Holt) 10 Daiyu (Holt) 12 Spice Den (Holt) 11 Cat and Mouse Episode 3 (Holt) 14 Mapuzo (Holt) 15 The Path (Holt) 16 Sensing Vader Episode 4 (Holt) 17 Parallel Lines (Holt) 19 Stormtrooper Patrol (Ross) 13 First Rescue (Holt) 20 Hangar Escape (Holt) 21 Hold Hands Episode 5 (Ross) 18 Some Things Can’t Be Forgotten (Holt) 22 Empire Arrival (Holt) 23 Dark Side Assault (Holt) 25 Sacrifice (Holt) 26 No Further Use Episode 6 (Ross) 24 I Will Do What I Must (Holt) 28A [0:00-1:15] Tatooine Desert Chase (Ross) 27 Overcoming the Past (Holt) 28B [1:15-end] Tatooine Desert Chase (Holt) 29 Who You Become (Ross) 30 Saying Goodbye Have people figured out what scene "Ready To Go" was likely composed for? enderdrag64 and artus_grayboot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jay said: Have people figured out what scene "Ready To Go" was likely composed for? You could guess from the title that it's from the finale of Episode 1, where he does go on his journey, but I just played this track over the scene and it's way too long and doesn't really fit the scene.... Maybe it was for a version of that finale that was longer or different somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 Maybe someone could try asking Natalie on social media what scene(s) it was composed for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: Plus Dies Irae and whatever "Martial Chords" is... These are the Martial Chords XD. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 I wouldn't say the bit in "First Rescue" is the same as that bit in that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 That sounds like when the death star blows up, not the beginning of the movie michael_grig and Oswin Pond 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Absolutely correct! See the catalog from @Falstaft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 "Called 'Holst Chords' by Williams" - where did he call it that? michael_grig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay said: Ross's Menacing Vader (Ross) 18 Some Things Can't Be Forgotten (Ross) 24 I Will Do What I Must This theme also occurs in 27 Overcoming the Past. 2 hours ago, Jay said: Holt's Stormtroopers (Holt) 23 Dark Side Assault This also in 19 Stormtrooper Patrol and 22 Empire Arrival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I'm trying to make a small playlist of my favourites from the soundtrack and I'm not sure what to put. 'Hanger Escape' 'Saying Goodbye' 'Ready To Go' 'Young Leia' 'Empire Arrival' 'No Further Use' 'The Journey Begins' That's all hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 So, does anybody here want to try asking Natalie Holt on social media what scene(s) "Ready To Go" was composed for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I will try. How do you do it? Via personal messenger or as a comment on one of her posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Someone else will have to answer that, I don't use any social media But probably just tweet at her, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I just saw, that somebody already asked her. No answer ;( artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 The one thing I will say is that, as others have already said, Holt's music is all in chronological order (as is Ross', but they are in their own separate orders), so that could perhaps give us a clue as to where it could've gone. I'll might try syncing it up to the finale of episode 1 later and see if that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I'll might try syncing it up to the finale of episode 1 later and see if that works. On 05/07/2022 at 4:26 PM, Michael G. said: You could guess from the title that it's from the finale of Episode 1, where he does go on his journey, but I just played this track over the scene and it's way too long and doesn't really fit the scene.... Maybe it was for a version of that finale that was longer or different somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 It kind of fits if started right when Obi takes out his shovel. Whether or not the ending was re-edited before Ross wrote his cues though I guess we have no idea. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,322 Posted July 6, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2022 When I watched the first episode, I really liked all the Ross variations on William's theme that played throughout the episode. Did they really only put the final one of those on the OST album? I wish they had just released two OST albums, one with all of Holt's stuff (including cues replaced in the final episodes), and one with all of Williams and Ross's stuff... Dave, Tydirium, crumbs and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted July 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2022 Yeah I think there was definitely at least a bit of re-editing done very late, but it seems clear that "Ready to Go" was indeed meant for the finale. What seems strange though is that this cue was still recorded after John and Bill came in; I would've thought they'd have simply scrapped it, unless the re-edit took place extremely late, like within a month or so before release. Either way, I'm glad Bill redid the music. This is... not good. artus_grayboot, crumbs, Not Mr. Big and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Reminds me of Jablonski's material for the Transformers movies artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmartigan JC 85 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Here's a new interview with Natalie Holt on Obi Wan: Source: https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2022/07/natalie-holt-interview-trb-transcript.html You can also check out the link for some transcribed highlights. enderdrag64 and artus_grayboot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 The main takeaway here is that the last two episodes were heavily re-edited very late, after she scored them. Seemed pretty obvious, but now there's solid confirmation. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 She is giving a heck lot of interviews… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 02/07/2022 at 5:11 PM, Edmilson said: Yeah, his reviews are mostly positive, even if the score in question is not that good, like with this one. He even wrote glowing reviews about Balfe recently... You aren't allowed diss Balfe after he made the banger soundtrack that is "Man Vs. Bee" JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 468 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 08:32-09:39: Goddamn, here you can see that it's not Natalie Holt who's to blame for the mess, but (as usual) Kathleen Kennedy and the director. Why please did they want her to take her theme even further away from the original Leia theme? Oswin Pond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave 217 Posted July 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2022 You can't have flutes in a 2022 score. Or oboes.. or clarinets.. way to 'orchestral' for a minimal and modern score. Thats the new way: Good guys: EPIC HORNS! (at least 37 playing in unison) Bad guys: EPIC TROMBONES! (all brass vst libraries you have, played at once) But really.. version 17?? michael_grig, Van_Etten, Oswin Pond and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Michael G. said: 08:32-09:39: Goddamn, here you can see that it's not Natalie Holt who's to blame for the mess, but (as usual) Kathleen Kennedy and the director. Why please did they want her to take her theme even further away from the original Leia theme? Kathy does not usually fuck things up?? tf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted July 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2022 I'm really curious what she would have been able to deliver without all of the executives and producers micro-managing her music. Oswin Pond, michael_grig, enderdrag64 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted July 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2022 I think it's incredibly sad that the director of series producer (for shows that have multiple directors) don't have final say on the score. The score should be a collaboration between the composer (and everyone they work with) and the primary storyteller, be that a director or series producer. High level executives vetoing or giving notes on the score seems like a bad structure for making films and TV shows or any creative endeavor. Holko, Oswin Pond and DarthDementous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 16 hours ago, artguy360 said: I think it's incredibly sad that the director of series producer (for shows that have multiple directors) don't have final say on the score. The score should be a collaboration between the composer (and everyone they work with) and the primary storyteller, be that a director or series producer. High level executives vetoing or giving notes on the score seems like a bad structure for making films and TV shows or any creative endeavor. I think, your statement highly depends on who this high level executive is. If it would be George Lucas or a Steven Spielberg, you might say, luckily there is a high level executive for some kind of quality assurance. It doesn't matter who has the last word, as long as it is someone with the right taste, or? In general I would say, creative directors, composers, high level executives should just be aligned better in advance what they expect and not say "Sure. You are the creative power here. Do what you want." And afterwards starting to micro-manage everything. artus_grayboot and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 56 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I think, your statement highly depends on who this high level executive is. If it would be George Lucas or a Steven Spielberg, you might say, luckily there is a high level executive for some kind of quality assurance. It doesn't matter who has the last word, as long as it is someone with the right taste, or? In general I would say, creative directors, composers, high level executives should just be aligned better in advance what they expect and not say "Sure. You are the creative power here. Do what you want." And afterwards starting to micro-manage everything. No, I think the director on a film or series producer on a series should have the final say in collaboration with the composer. If George Lucas isn't the director, then he shouldn't have final say. Same for Steven Spielberg. For example, Spielberg is technically a producer for the Halo tv series. I don't think his opinion on the score should matter at all. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 The only thing that makes no sense to me is that I doubt JW would block Ross from using his themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share Posted July 11, 2022 Yet another Holt interview https://www.jedinews.com/podcasts/articles/full-of-sith-episode-cdlxvi-composer-natalie-holt/ enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 23 hours ago, artguy360 said: No, I think the director on a film or series producer on a series should have the final say in collaboration with the composer. If George Lucas isn't the director, then he shouldn't have final say. Same for Steven Spielberg. For example, Spielberg is technically a producer for the Halo tv series. I don't think his opinion on the score should matter at all. Spielberg has been lauded as non-interferer by his colleagues, which makes JW's role on 'Kenobi' even more dubious. Why on earth do a power move like that and take over at the 11th hour from a female rookie composer and make yourself looking like an ogre? (and for a piece of shit series, at that) artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jay said: Yet another Holt interview https://www.jedinews.com/podcasts/articles/full-of-sith-episode-cdlxvi-composer-natalie-holt/ I haven't finished the interview yet but damn I would've liked to have heard some of her earlier theme ideas. She says that she wrote a lot of Williams-esque themes and Deborah Chow didn't like any of them, the only early theme she approved was the RCP-like inquisitor theme Not Mr. Big, Manakin Skywalker, michael_grig and 3 others 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 58 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said: I haven't finished the interview yet but damn I would've liked to have heard some of her earlier theme ideas. She says that she wrote a lot of Williams-esque themes and Deborah Chow didn't like any of them, the only early theme she approved was the RCP-like inquisitor theme I wish Deborah Chow had made a moderately unsuccessful film between Mando and Obi Wan so they could have fired her and gotten a better director michael_grig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 I cringed when the interviewer brought up the Vader/Kenobi fight music in the third episode, clearly not knowing that she didn't write that. artus_grayboot and michael_grig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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