Popular Post artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 @Manakin Skywalkerjust wanna say that I love your changing profile pictures. @Yavar Moradito get a like from you on one of my posts, wow do I consider that such a high honor. Love the work you and the team do on The Goldsmith Odyssey. Manakin Skywalker, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, DarthDementous said: That is true, William Ross wasn't involved in the other non-Williams Star Wars soundtracks, even the ones that had new Williams themes written for them There is certainly an extenuating circumstance present for Kenobi that wasn't there for the others And it's awful that she is having to hide it all, poor girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Gibster said: Has there been any “seeding of the legacy themes”? Closest I can think of is Holt's Imperial theme which is derivative of the Imperial March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 8 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: She talks here about using the pre-excisting themes. I'm sure people won't agree with the decision the filmmakers made about using them sparingly, but I do get where they're coming from storywise Based on what she said, we'll finally hear legacy themes in ep6? She uses the word "seeding". Did she mean hint the themes? I've heard no hints/seeds so far. If holding the legacy themes back until ep6 was the plan, then so be it. Better late than never. But this approach isn't really in the spirit of Star Wars. I hope she'll deliver in ep6. I still support Natalie Holt, whether she was the best choice for this job or not. Tinfoil hat moment: Also any body language Sherlocks here? There's something odd about her response when she answered the question about quoting motifs. I can't put my finger on it. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, p0llux said: Tinfoil hat moment: Also any body language Sherlocks here? There's something odd about her response when she answered the question about quoting motifs. I can't put my finger on it. Kathleen Kennedy pointing a gun at her off-camera. Tydirium, Manakin Skywalker, DiamondFire and 2 others 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 10 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: She talks here about using the pre-excisting themes. I'm sure people won't agree with the decision the filmmakers made about using them sparingly, but I do get where they're coming from storywise Her answer about that makes no sense, though. She acts like these themes are in their "genesis" in between ROTS and ANH, but how? The themes were already present and developed by ROTS. By the time you get to this show chronologically, you've already heard Qui-Gon's theme in TPM; the Force theme in TPM, AOTC, ROTS; Leia's theme in ROTS; the Imperial March in AOTC, ROTS (with hints in Anakin's theme in TPM); the Mustafar theme in ROTS; the Order 66 music in ROTS. The Imperial March is even heard in both anthology films, Rogue One and Solo, and they both take place before ANH. Also, she talks about leading things to ANH, but the Imperial March isn't even in that movie... The point is, these themes don't need to be "seeded"; they already exist in the universe. Many of them are even referenced in the animated shows that chronologically take place before this show (TCW, Bad Batch). Why do they need to be treated in this show as though they've never existed before? I'd also like to point out that she remembered the name of ANH, but drew a blank when it came to ROTS. Between her, and the writer Joby Harold also seemingly not having watched ROTS before writing the show based on recent remarks of his, it is no wonder that there are so many problems. This show is arguably more of a follow-up to ROTS, than it is a prequel to ANH. Even the marketing clearly reflects this. There's no excuse for this. Chewy, MrJosh, enderdrag64 and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, p0llux said: Based on what she said, we'll finally hear legacy themes in ep6? She uses the word "seeding". Did she mean hint the themes? I've heard no hints/seeds so far. If holding the legacy themes back until ep6 was the plan, then so be it. Better late than never. But this approach isn't really in the spirit of Star Wars. I hope she'll deliver in ep6. I still support Natalie Holt, whether she was the best choice for this job or not. Tinfoil hat moment: Also any body language Sherlocks here? There's something odd about her response when she answered the question about quoting motifs. I can't put my finger on it. Holt has described her young Leia music as having seeds/elements of JW's Leia theme. But honestly, nothing about any of the music in the show has stood out enough for me to notice details like that. Until we get an official soundtrack release, I can only say the music has been underwhelming and I haven't noticed any musical seeds planted. GerateWohl and Trope 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 6 hours ago, DarthDementous said: That is true, William Ross wasn't involved in the other non-Williams Star Wars soundtracks, even the ones that had new Williams themes written for them There is certainly an extenuating circumstance present for Kenobi that wasn't there for the others William ross is an orchestrator in rogue one… Jurassic Shark and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: William ross is an orchestrator in rogue one… Interesting. Is William Ross more than an orchestrator on Kenobi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 It sounds like that, and the last chaptaer said additional music by DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, DarthDementous said: Interesting. Is William Ross more than an orchestrator on Kenobi? What do you mean? We’ve been talking for weeks now about how he gets his own standalone listing in the end credits for adapting JW’s Kenobi theme… Not to mention that he’s written at least a couple big cues so far: the Obi-Wan/Vader duel in episode 3 and Obi-Wan’s hallway fight in episode 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tydirium said: What do you mean? We’ve been talking for weeks now about how he gets his own standalone listing in the end credits for adapting JW’s Kenobi theme… Not to mention that he’s written at least a couple big cues so far: the Obi-Wan/Vader duel in episode 3 and Obi-Wan’s hallway fight in episode 4. To be perfectly honest, I'm not really sure what the difference is between an arranger and an orchestrator. Do you have an image of that standalone listing so I can see the wording? Also, can someone grab an image of the 'Additional music by' credit in Kenobi episode 4? I don't have Disney+ myself to be able to verify it Here's what it says on William Ross's official site: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: To be perfectly honest, I'm not really sure what the difference is between an arranger and an orchestrator An orchestrator takes sketches of a cue (often a piano score) and sets the music for the various instruments of the orchestra. Many times the choice of instruments is left up to the orchestrator’s preference, but in JW’s case, he uses his orchestrators more like copyists; he generally already has an idea of what instruments should play what music, and the orchestrators write it out for those instruments. It saves him a lot of time. Arranging is a lot freer than orchestrating; the arranger simply takes a tune/theme/piece and does what they want with it. They do their own orchestration, they can play around with the harmonies, they can add countermelodies, etc. Adapting (what Ross is doing in Kenobi) is similar to that, basically arranging but with a film element. Ross is taking JW’s Obi-Wan theme and adapting it to various scenes in the show, where it would fit. So, rather than JW picking every instance of when and where his Obi-Wan theme should show up, as he normally would as a film composer, instead Ross gets to choose. Think of it like this: Ross is a composer for the show, but the music he writes is primarily JW’s theme. However, he is free to orchestrate and arrange that theme as he pleases, and to use that theme where he wants to use it. That’s already a lot of work, but the thing is, recent episodes have revealed that he is going even beyond that: he is evidently being asked to write entire lengthy cues (lengthier than many of Holt’s, even), for scenes as important as the Obi-Wan/Vader duel. That is a big deal, as ordinarily the main composer for a show or film (in this case Natalie Holt) would obviously score such an important scene. Brando, artguy360, MrJosh and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Archive Collection 214 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: To be perfectly honest, I'm not really sure what the difference is between an arranger and an orchestrator. The easiest, non-musical way to describe it is "big picture" vs. "fine tuning/smaller details" An arranger is someone who takes melodic material, themes, etc. and organises that material into a piece of music - for example, how William Ross took JW's Harry Potter themes, and created 'cues' to accompany The Chamber Of Secrets. The arranger doesn't write material, but has to make creative decisions about the structure and presentation of that material within a listenable piece of music. An orchestrator takes a piece of music that has already substantively been written and arranged, and works out the intricacies of how that piece will be played by an ensemble. Their job is to focus on the finer details, rather than the big picture. Edmilson, artus_grayboot and DarthDementous 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Van_Etten 111 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 artus_grayboot, enderdrag64, Tydirium and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 48 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: To be perfectly honest, I'm not really sure what the difference is between an arranger and an orchestrator. Do you have an image of that standalone listing so I can see the wording? Also, can someone grab an image of the 'Additional music by' credit in Kenobi episode 4? I don't have Disney+ myself to be able to verify it Here's what it says on William Ross's official site: Not a single mention of obiwan on Holt’s site, she had loki up on the first episode Yavar Moradi and Tydirium 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: Not to mention that he’s written at least a couple big cues so far: the Obi-Wan/Vader duel in episode 3 and Obi-Wan’s hallway fight in episode 4. Sorry if I missed something in the thread, but how do we know that ? Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Aside from the orchestration and feeling, i think some resembled a cue in talenof desperaux score by ross, a score which i dont think holt would quote…. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, Van_Etten said: Isn’t it funny how Holt is billed as the main composer of the show, but all her people are listed after William Ross? EDIT: To be fair, Ross is obviously a bigger name than those other people, and also has the adapting credit for the show. But still, it’s just interesting seeing Holt’s team of composers listed beneath him. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Aside from the orchestration and feeling, i think some resembled a cue in talenof desperaux score by ross, a score which i dont think holt would quote…. It's the score that made her want to become a composer MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, eitam said: Sorry if I missed something in the thread, but how do we know that ? Here’s a comment I made back when we were discussing this: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34590-natalie-holts-obi-wan-kenobi-2022/page/9/#comment-1889238 Since then, I’m even more certain that Ross did the Obi/Vader duel. In addition to his “adapting” credit, in episode 4 he also got an “additional music” credit. The music for the Obi-Wan hallway fight both felt very Star-Wars-y, and included JW’s Obi-Wan theme. All you need to assume Ross did it is the presence of the Obi-Wan theme, but the cue goes well beyond that theme, and also features orchestration (and sound mix/orchestra performance) that sounds just like the Obi/Vader duel in the previous episode. And again, as I said in my linked comment and as @Luke Skywalker said above, there is music in that duel that resembles Ross’ Tale of Despereaux score. eitam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 My guess is that it was the producers that decided not to go with the well-known themes. I don't think Holt or Ross would make that kind of decision. But if we're to take Holt's comments at face value, then yes she was very careful to build up to the themes in A New Hope akin to Loki. But as @Tydirium has stated, the movies and shows that chronologically take place before this one put the well-known themes on full display (The Clone Wars using Vader's theme, for example. It didn't develop the theme or reduce it to building blocks/cells of the idea). It's a strange creative decision that creates a lack of continuity. But, here's the counterargument that makes this all less "speculation central" and to me makes sense. Thank you @p0llux for opening my mind to this possibility with your thoughts. I haven't seen Loki, but based on that interview alone, she stated that she was seeding themes to build up to the final episode. If that's what we're getting with Kenobi - a delay of these themes from being fully stated until the dramatic climax - I will recall most of the reservations I've been having. It's like what John Williams did in E.T, and I think based on the large amount of internet discourse re: the lack of well-known themes so far in this show, it will prove to be a good choice. It's delayed gratification if I ever saw it. @p0llux does make a good point though that this seeding approach isn't really in the spirit of Star Wars - I agree on that. But again, if it's to build up to a dramatic climax, and if it's done well, I'll probably go with it. p0llux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 I take more issue with the crappy music than with presence of those themes artguy360, 1977, Edmilson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I posted a link to the video interview over on reddit: Already over a hundred comments, pretty much all bashing the score. 😳 Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post p0llux 398 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, artus_grayboot said: @p0llux does make a good point though that this seeding approach isn't really in the spirit of Star Wars - I agree on that. But again, if it's to build up to a dramatic climax, and if it's done well, I'll probably go with it. The problem is I can't say it's been well done. I've heard no "seeds" of any kind so far. What does it mean to "seed"? Is she partially stating a few notes of a character theme? Is she using the same chords? Where are these "seeds" she's referring to? Am I deaf? Maybe she's so technically gifted, she hid them behind loads of musical grammar that few can decipher. I just don't know. We've had multiple episodes of major legacy characters on screen. We should've heard something obvious by now. If ep6 contains everything I wanted, I'd go with it. Better late than never, I said. However, it could've been super effective if she better prepared the audience for the full statement of the themes. I'm not a composer, so I can't comment on exactly how she could do that. It's her job to figure that out. artus_grayboot, Tydirium and igger6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 44 minutes ago, Tydirium said: I posted a link to the video interview over on reddit: Already over a hundred comments, pretty much all bashing the score. 😳 Does she talk about it more in her full interview? It’s kinda funny how the story of Williams involvement has changed everytime they speak about it, there was no way he called and asked, she now says it was always part of the gig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 Is this guy on crack? Listen to what he says here... enderdrag64, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Bayesian and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,117 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 ^ I cannot listen to his voice without picturing this guy: "No, Beavis. Natalie's showing that she understands and gets Star Wars better than anyone to date, M-kay?" 17 hours ago, artus_grayboot said: @Manakin Skywalkerjust wanna say that I love your changing profile pictures. Your Fode and Beed one is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. The previous headswap gave me the willies. The new one is hilarious. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Tydirium and Manakin Skywalker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Is this guy on crack? Listen to what he says here... Jesus Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, p0llux said: The problem is I can't say it's been well done. I've heard no "seeds" of any kind so far. What does it mean to "seed"? Is she partially stating a few notes of a character theme? Is she using the same chords? Where are these "seeds" she's referring to? For first video, it's the same harmonies/chord progression as the Imperial March with the new Vader theme as the melody. You hear in those low strings. For the second video, the two-note motif seems to borrow the notes from the Imperial motif in A New Hope. G G G G A# A#... G A# A#... G#/Ab, A# G#/Ab G. Whereas the two notes in the Kenobi score is just G... A#... For the young Leia theme, at 40:29 in Ep. 3 you'll hear two notes from the JW melody. @Falstaftpointed out that moment on his reduction of the themes on page 10 - his identification of the variation on the young Leia theme starts at 40:22. 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Is this guy on crack? Listen to what he says here... I don't think that's completely fair - I watched some of the stuff in this vid before that statement and I think he points out some good stuff going on in the score. His error is in assuming Holt was responsible for all the music he heard.@Tydirium's observations on the Despereaux score and the similarities in the music of this show make a good case for figuring out which cues Ross did and which ones Holt did. But I am curious as to who gets credit for each track once the OST comes out. enderdrag64, Bofur01, Falstaft and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 At this point can 2 great episodes really save the score? The damage is already done and the bar continually lowers by each episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,349 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 In general I think, when I don't recognize the music during watching the show, then it is good. When I recognize it, it is usually bad. But that happens only in a few moments when the music dominates. Therefore probably the music is mostly ok somehow. But, as many others said, I really don't see any point in this franitc avoidance of classical themes as if no prequels ever existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 18 hours ago, artus_grayboot said: For first video, it's the same harmonies/chord progression as the Imperial March with the new Vader theme as the melody. You hear in those low strings. For the second video, the two-note motif seems to borrow the notes from the Imperial motif in A New Hope. G G G G A# A#... G A# A#... G#/Ab, A# G#/Ab G. Whereas the two notes in the Kenobi score is just G... A#... For the young Leia theme, at 40:29 in Ep. 3 you'll hear two notes from the JW melody. @Falstaftpointed out that moment on his reduction of the themes on page 10 - his identification of the variation on the young Leia theme starts at 40:22. Oh I missed these hints. The first one was a big giveaway, but I only watched the ep once and I wasn't as hyper focused as I normally would at that point in the series. In my opinion, the 2nd and 3rd ones were far more trivial. The casual listener isn't gonna hear anything, especially the 2nd one in that kind of an arrangement. So I was wrong, she did leave hints. I don't claim to be a sherlock, even if I've been on this board for awhile. However, it seems like quite a bit of sherlocking was needed to identify at least 2 of those. If only we were all music sherlocks... artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 18 hours ago, artus_grayboot said: For the young Leia theme, at 40:29 in Ep. 3 you'll hear two notes from the JW melody. She uses notes now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,860 Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 Can’t remember if it’s this thread or not but yes it looks like they played Samuel Kims version on the set🙄 Oswin Pond, artus_grayboot, Chewy and 8 others 3 3 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 12/06/2022 at 10:33 AM, Van_Etten said: Ok, this is curious: at least one of the earlier episodes credits Ross and John Williams for orchestrations, but here only Ross is credited for orchestrations (not counting the ones working with Holt). So what could that mean? I assumed the orchestration credit was probably for the end credits, but then it should be consistent for every episode. Did JW write (and orchestrate) some actual cues for the show? artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: So what could that mean? I assumed the orchestration credit was probably for the end credits, but then it should be consistent for every episode. I wouldn't read too much into what could just be a minor mistake or typo when compiling the credits. Lots of things 'should' be... doesn't mean that they are. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Brando said: Can’t remember if it’s this thread or not but yes it looks like they played Samuel Kims version on the set🙄 This is actually a nightmare scenario wtf Imagine using a generic trailer music style cover as the inspiration while filming instead of the actual iconic Williams piece. Utterly insane. No wonder the music sounds the way it does Oswin Pond, crumbs, Andy and 10 others 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,117 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 That’s depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Do you think they even know the difference? 1 hour ago, DarthDementous said: This is actually a nightmare scenario wtf Imagine using a generic trailer music style cover as the inspiration while filming instead of the actual iconic Williams piece. Utterly insane. No wonder the music sounds the way it does mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, Gibster said: Do you think they even know the difference? Probably not. This very much feels like an extension of people mistaking this style of trailer music as something composed by John Williams and expressing disappointment when it isn't on the soundtrack release Trope and artus_grayboot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,037 Posted June 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: Probably not. This very much feels like an extension of people mistaking this style of trailer music as something composed by John Williams and expressing disappointment when it isn't on the soundtrack release What do you mean? I thought Williams re recorded Duel Of The Fates for the trailer 😂 Brando, DarthDementous and artus_grayboot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 4 hours ago, DarthDementous said: This is actually a nightmare scenario wtf Imagine using a generic trailer music style cover as the inspiration while filming instead of the actual iconic Williams piece. Utterly insane. No wonder the music sounds the way it does Lol, this is legitimately sad if no one even recognized that it wasn't JW's original music. artus_grayboot and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2022 13 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Ok, this is curious: at least one of the earlier episodes credits Ross and John Williams for orchestrations, but here only Ross is credited for orchestrations (not counting the ones working with Holt). So what could that mean? I assumed the orchestration credit was probably for the end credits, but then it should be consistent for every episode. Did JW write (and orchestrate) some actual cues for the show? John was credited with orchestrations together with Bill Ross in the end credits of the pilot episode. Based on what Holt said in one interview (i.e. besides the theme and suite, JW also recorded a set of demo cues to show how to use the theme), it’s fair to assume that Ross took some of JW’s demo cues and repurposed to some scenes in the first episode keeping John’s original orchestration. Jurassic Shark, Andy, Jim Ware and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 20 hours ago, DarthDementous said: This is actually a nightmare scenario wtf Imagine using a generic trailer music style cover as the inspiration while filming instead of the actual iconic Williams piece. Utterly insane. No wonder the music sounds the way it does I asked about this, was going to post it tomorrow with my opinion of ep5 score.. but since it was brought up: apparently it was the stunt performers choice. They chose whatever got them in the zone the most. So no, it's not a "nightmare scenario" that someone found music easier to work with. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 But it doesn't feed into the narrative that modern film music is purely brain dead, so less likes for this post! Once again, this is aggressively a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing, since now it seems that use of prior SW material in even this context is only met with distain. Suggesting once again that Holt using any pre-established themes would've only prompted a different kind of ire instead. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, HunterTech said: Suggesting once again that Holt using any pre-established themes would've only prompted a different kind of ire instead. I don't know if that would necessarily be true, but it is true that Star Wars tends to be held to a really high standard among its fanbase (and rightfully so). Maybe you're right though. I'm pretty new to these forums though, so I don't know what the criticism of earlier, other composers that have worked in Star Wars looked like. I have seen a lot of people not like Kevin Kiner's work on here, though, which really did surprise me. I really like his stuff. I really appreciate the balance you're trying to bring to the discussion by bringing this up, though! What kind of ire do you think would have happened if she used the pre-existing material? 1 hour ago, DIamondFire said: apparently it was the stunt performers choice. They chose whatever got them in the zone the most. So no, it's not a "nightmare scenario" that someone found music easier to work with. That does make sense from a tempo, heavy-drum-beat type of deal that it would inspire them to get into the zone. If what you're saying is true, I'm willing to give them a bit of grace. They're professional stunt performers, not professional musicians. And as snobby as I could be about it, especially in a forum about music, that's the reality of the situation. Live and let live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 hours ago, DIamondFire said: I asked about this, was going to post it tomorrow with my opinion of ep5 score.. but since it was brought up: apparently it was the stunt performers choice. They chose whatever got them in the zone the most. So no, it's not a "nightmare scenario" that someone found music easier to work with. That seems really strange to me that a stunt performer gets to dictate the musical mood on set, I’ve only heard that being something done by the directors at least when it comes to Star Wars I’ve also never heard of a stunt performer performing to music on set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Banger episode and... banger music. I myself heard a lot of hints of other existing themes which was great. Especially the weird anakins dark deeds very slowly towards the end as an underscore. I liked EVERY song in it. The fight music was great, the arrival music was great... I loved it all. GG to them lol JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,957 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I heard some Imperial March nods in the episode. This was the best episode up to now. And hope the last episode is even better. Maybe my overall feeling of the show will be a bit different. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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