Mike Matessino: "At least 5" new Williams releases due this year

[BrotherSound 2,242]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

PRESUMED INNOCENT, really? It's a mono-thematic score and already stretches patience at 44 minutes (I mean, I love the score for what it is, but if anything I would like it 10 minutes shorter).

The OST is actually 6 minutes longer than the score in the film, so it’s an open question if there’s even any additional material to add at all.

[crocodile 7,990]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

 

PRESUMED INNOCENT, really? It's a mono-thematic score and already stretches patience at 44 minutes (I mean, I love the score for what it is, but if anything I would like it 10 minutes shorter). I often want to understand the logic of C&C fans, but sometimes this understanding falls short.  

We just want Williams' complete works being looked after and preserved for posterity so that anyone in the future can have access to enjoy and/or study them in as much depth as they desire. 

 

Karol

[Thor 7,478]

Good thing I never got into soundtracks for archeological reasons, then.

[Holko 9,499]

So just because a score's monothematic, it can't be engaging? Maybe it's his assembly or your attention span that sucks.

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

10 minutes ago, Thor said:

Good thing I never got into soundtracks for archeological reasons, then.

[Thor 7,478]

23 minutes ago, Holko said:

So just because a score's monothematic, it can't be engaging?

 

Sure, I find PRESUMED INNOCENT engaging (both in and out of movie). But as I said -- it already stretches patience at 44 minutes. Besides, I don't believe there's a lot of music left off, for those who care about such things.

[Holko 9,499]

26 minutes ago, Thor said:

Good thing I never got into soundtracks for archeological reasons, then.

Don't imply that we only care about complete releases because of an impersonal academic completionism. Most of us got started by loving the actual damn music we heard partly under the sound effects but not being able to appreciate it on its own or as part of a whole in the grander storytelling structure because it was just left off the soundtrack album or partly chopped up and yanked out of context.

[Thor 7,478]

That's fine. It is, however, an approach to soundtracks that is completely alien to me. Especially in cases such as PRESUMED INNOCENT.

[GerateWohl 4,344]

It is not just about being monothematic. Goldsmith's Hour of the Gun is a monothematic score and - hell - what a listening experience! But Presumed Innocent does not provide much variation or development in of the theme.

Anyway, I think, Goldsmith is more the master when it comes to monothematic scores. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

5 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

Goldsmith's Hour of the Gun is a monothematic score and - hell - what a listening experience!

 

Is that your favourite JG western score?

[Thor 7,478]

We actually have an interesting topic here -- one's favourite mono-thematic score. They can be great, especially in context. On album, it requires something extra.

 

Of course, it has nothing to do with SPACECAMP whatsoever.

[Andy 4,092]

43 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Is that your favourite JG western score?

Take a Hard Ride

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

No thanks.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

1 hour ago, GerateWohl said:

It is not just about being monothematic. Goldsmith's Hour of the Gun is a monothematic score and - hell - what a listening experience! But Presumed Innocent does not provide much variation or development in of the theme.

Anyway, I think, Goldsmith is more the master when it comes to monothematic scores. 

Yes!

I recently relistened to the TADLOW.and was thinking the same thing.

Last I looked, it's only $10!

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

1 hour ago, GerateWohl said:

Anyway, I think, Goldsmith is more the master when it comes to monothematic scores. 

 

Yes, he was really good at being lazy.

[bollemanneke 3,338]

Yes, Hook is coming in June! I think.

[Holko 9,499]

You mean...

 

[Brando 1,857]

Never fails to brighten my day

[crumbs 14,305]

I wonder if the next expansion is from LLL in June. From memory that's the month Always released last year (along with the AI reissue) and their current sale will be over by then. Maybe the sale was timed to get some extra funds through the door for a big new pressing.

 

Would love Hook or Amistad but the labels have been unpredictable the last few years... maybe it'll be something totally unexpected

 

Could Jurassic Park and The Lost World be reissued as individual releases? 25th anniversary for the latter and obviously the new film (also releasing next month) has the legacy characters all returning. Perfect opportunity!

[Brundlefly 2,385]

12 hours ago, Thor said:

PRESUMED INNOCENT, really? It's a mono-thematic score and already stretches patience at 44 minutes (I mean, I love the score for what it is, but if anything I would like it 10 minutes shorter). I often want to understand the logic of C&C fans, but sometimes this understanding falls short.  

No worries, Thor. There's C&C fans that don't need an expansion of this score at all, although they love it.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

11 hours ago, Thor said:

Good thing I never got into soundtracks for archeological reasons, then.

 

11 hours ago, Thor said:

 

 

Holko said:

 

"Don't imply that we only care about complete releases because of an impersonal academic completionism."

 

 

Thor's not " implying" anything.
He (and I) is flat out stating it!😅😙😁

[GerateWohl 4,344]

10 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Is that your favourite JG western score?

To be honest, I am not familiar with his western scores. But I like this one a lot. Any recommendations?

[1977 1,743]

Rio Conchos - the re-recording 

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

About williams scores:

 

The should be in a museum!

[publicist 4,643]

11 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Anyway, I think, Goldsmith is more the master when it comes to monothematic scores. 

 

That's only half-true, in the sense that Goldsmith approached movies generally as having one main idea and surrounding, flexible motifs, rhythms or textural ideas, to count all these as 'mono-thematic' makes it appear as if leitmotif-driven scores are anything but an anomaly. In truth, most scores are like this (not necessarily the fan favourites, though).

[GerateWohl 4,344]

4 minutes ago, publicist said:

 

That's only half-true, in the sense that Goldsmith approached movies generally as having one main idea and surrounding, flexible motifs, rhythms or textural ideas, to count all these as 'mono-thematic' makes it appear as if leitmotif-driven scores are anything but an anomaly. In truth, most scores are like this (not necessarily the fan favourites, though).

This topic started with the mentioning Presumed Innocent and Thor and Holko called it a monothematic score, I guess in the manner that you just described. And that is what applies to many Goldsmith scores. That's what I said. We can argue If monothematic is the right term for 'one main idea surrounded by flexible motifs'. But that didn't start with my statement, you quoted.

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

2 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

To be honest, I am not familiar with his western scores. But I like this one a lot. Any recommendations?

 

The Magnificent Seven by Bernstein.

[publicist 4,643]

1 hour ago, GerateWohl said:

This topic started with the mentioning Presumed Innocent and Thor and Holko called it a monothematic score, I guess in the manner that you just described. And that is what applies to many Goldsmith scores. That's what I said. We can argue If monothematic is the right term for 'one main idea surrounded by flexible motifs'. But that didn't start with my statement, you quoted.

 

I know, but it's a general sentiment here that scores like 'Hook' or, say, Horner's animation scores are a film music norm, which they aren't. We can be thankful for that small moment in time when a music lover like Spielberg took over, but in general, scores don't function like that.

 

That 'Presumed Innocent' is a rather boring one-note score is less the result of it having only one theme but the movie being a low-key courtroom thriller. And its makers should be thankful that Williams gave it a strong thematical imprint (the flirring piano motif plus the strong, fateful theme following it), though like with many smaller scores of his that also suffer from being merely well-dressed window displays (Accidental Tourist, Stanley & Iris come to mind), i always got the feeling he lost either interest or ability in small ensemble writing he did so well in the 70's (this changed much later when he suddenly did all those Yo-Yo Ma etc. things). 

[Antonb 118]

Why does a lot of people seem to want a Hook release? Is it because the older release isn't good enough? Or just too expensive to buy now on the market? I'm hoping for an expanded release that hasn't been done yet. 

 

 

 

 

1??

[Holko 9,499]

6 minutes ago, Antonb said:

Is it because the older release isn't good enough?

Definitely that.

[Antonb 118]

excuse my stupidity, what's wrong with it?

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

Apparently, they could have done more.

[GerateWohl 4,344]

3 hours ago, publicist said:

 

I know, but it's a general sentiment here that scores like 'Hook' or, say, Horner's animation scores are a film music norm, which they aren't. We can be thankful for that small moment in time when a music lover like Spielberg took over, but in general, scores don't function like that.

 

That 'Presumed Innocent' is a rather boring one-note score is less the result of it having only one theme but the movie being a low-key courtroom thriller. And its makers should be thankful that Williams gave it a strong thematical imprint (the flirring piano motif plus the strong, fateful theme following it), though like with many smaller scores of his that also suffer from being merely well-dressed window displays (Accidental Tourist, Stanley & Iris come to mind), i always got the feeling he lost either interest or ability in small ensemble writing he did so well in the 70's (this changed much later when he suddenly did all those Yo-Yo Ma etc. things). 

I remember watching the movie in the theater and apart from watching Harrison Ford act and listening to the music there wasn't much interesting in the movie.

[Holko 9,499]

25 minutes ago, Antonb said:

excuse my stupidity, what's wrong with it?

Everything?

 

Missing lots of music that was recorded but unused. Missing music that was recorded and used in the film. Using wrong takes. Wrong speeds. Lazily using pre-edited worse sounding film stems for many cues instead of properly transferring all elements.

[Antonb 118]

17 minutes ago, Holko said:

Everything?

 

Missing lots of music that was recorded but unused. Missing music that was recorded and used in the film. Using wrong takes. Wrong speeds. Lazily using pre-edited worse sounding film stems for many cues instead of properly transferring all elements.

oh right I understand now, cheers.

[Jay 37,323]

46 minutes ago, Antonb said:

excuse my stupidity, what's wrong with it?

 

Here's the list :

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34006-hook-30th-anniversary-double-vinyl-from-mondo-records-2021/&do=findComment&comment=1828547

[Antonb 118]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Here's the list :

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34006-hook-30th-anniversary-double-vinyl-from-mondo-records-2021/&do=findComment&comment=1828547

Thankyou. You all have changed my mind!

[QuartalHarmony 542]

Give it to me straight, Doc…

 

Can I take any hope whatsoever from the fact that Space Camp’s latest release required the involvement of Sony and that’s what would be needed for a proper release of Hook?

 

Please say it could be so…

[crumbs 14,305]

Maybe Sony was holding up both releases, and whoever's in charge approved them both at the same time? We can dream... 

 

Speaking of Sony, I wonder if they could facilitate a Memoirs of a Geisha expansion by paying the reuse fees? 

[bruce marshall 1,315]

5 hours ago, Antonb said:

excuse my stupidity, what's wrong with it?

You're not the stupid one...😉

4 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

I remember watching the movie in the theater and apart from watching Harrison Ford act and listening to the music there wasn't much interesting in the movie.

Say what!?

Greta did a.nude scene.

I recorded it off laser disc!😍

[Holko 9,499]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Maybe Sony was holding up both releases, and whoever's in charge approved them both at the same time? We can dream... 

I think we still didn't get those 2 Sony releases that "made it through" that block a couple years ago that already got lifted since then?

[GerateWohl 4,344]

20 minutes ago, bruce marshall said:

😉Say what!?

Greta did a.nude scene.

I recorded it off laser disc!😍

Didn't leave a lasting impression on my end.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

1 minute ago, GerateWohl said:

a lasting impression on my end.

Funny you should put it that way#😅😜

[Jay 37,323]

On 09/05/2022 at 3:02 PM, Jay said:

One down, 4 to go!

 

Two down, at least 3 to go!

[Yavar Moradi 2,593]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Two down, at least 3 to go!

 

It seems this may indeed be the year of Williams and Horner, like last year was the year of Goldsmith...

 

Yavar

[crocodile 7,990]

Catch Me If You Can and Amistad will be another two. 

 

I think.

 

Karol

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

And Hook to close the year!

[Amer 2,080]

We will probably have another batch announcement on June 1st from LLL I Suppose? There just might be another one or two around the corner from them . I wonder if it will be SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET or AMISTAD ?

[Jay 37,323]

Mike provides an update at the end of the latest episode of Maurizio's podcast

 

https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/05/20/spacecamp-presumed-innocent-podcast/

 

Here are his exact words

 

"

I'm working on things for the end of the year right now. Maybe my comments were taken a little bit out of context or misinterpreted a bit last time.  I have several in various stages that I'm working on, but I have no idea how many will actually make it out within this calendar year.   Right now I'm looking at 2 for the end of the year, and a lot of it is just because of how long the administrative aspect of it takes, and how much catch up I have to do having spent 8 months on Star Trek - a lot of catch up.   And then some of these are larger more ambitious things.  There's at least 3 where the mastering is done already, so it's a matter of doing all that, and also maybe not flooding them all out at once, but it depends really on what they are.  So there's 2 that I am focused on right now for the end of this year and I hope that they'll make it - you never of course have any guarantees, and once you see that it's May already, you start panicking...

"

 

He also teased that he has a very big non-Williams soundtrack project coming soon!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I really don't think his comment in the Superman podcast was misinterpreted.  Perhaps he misspoke.