Jay 37,337 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: Apart from Hook are there any other JW scores that could potentially be one of those Sony titles? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32706-john-williams-scores-by-music-label/ Groovygoth666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Seriously?! No Hook, again?! And then people are surprised we complain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Seriously?! No Hook, again?! And then people are surprised we complain... The approval etc. people who it should be directed at don't see any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 51 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Seriously?! No Hook, again?! And then people are surprised we complain... Aside from a usual reminder that LLL may have more pressing expansions to work on other than revisiting a prior one, there's also the aspect of people wanting all the demos/songs (etc) from this score which may have legal issues behind them. What if they do indeed have a new edition in the works but behind the scenes wrangling is taking ages? They could do a new edition now to satisfy the hordes but then leave all that off and everyone complains that it's not 150% complete. bollemanneke and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 542 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 With apologies for probably having missed something, how do we suddenly know for certain it's not Hook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 Just now, QuartalHarmony said: With apologies for probably having missed something, how do we suddenly know for certain it's not Hook? 10 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: No Hook re-expansion this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpotTheDog 39 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Seriously, if Disney let Criterion do Wall-E, I’m holding out a fool’s hope that they’ll let LLL handle Star Wars expansions. Although Jay seems to know that this is not the case, but just let me pretend for a few more hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,337 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 The label releasing Star Wars expansions really doesn't matter. What matters is the producer who oversees the music restoration, mixing, editing, sequencing, and mastering. Mike Matessino will be the guy who will do that one day, and Disney can hire him to do it just like LLL or any other label can BB-8, Brando, Yavar Moradi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpotTheDog 39 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: The label releasing Star Wars expansions really doesn't matter. What matters is the producer who oversees the music restoration, mixing, editing, sequencing, and mastering. Mike Matessino will be the guy who will do that one day, and Disney can hire him to do it just like LLL or any other label can I know Mike Matessino will be their guy, and obviously rightly so, I just think LLL now has a minuscule chance, unlike ever before. Does Disney Records have a regular release schedule/newsletter as well, or do they just just release things whenever they’re ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 There's no patterns to anything Disney Records does But you can check this site whenever you want to see their newest stuff https://www.disneymusiclicensing.com/albums?orderBy=original_release_date&orderDest=desc SpotTheDog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 It’s okay, guys. Hook is coming. It’s only a matter of time. I still believe! *CLAPS* Raiders of the SoundtrArk and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1977 1,743 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 12 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: No Hook re-expansion this year blondheim, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Brando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 558 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Great, that means more money for me. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 28 minutes ago, Bounty95 said: Great, that means more money for me. Literally any other Williams title gets announced on Black Friday and you won't buy it? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Oh I don’t know about anyone else but I am buying whatever it is, I’m sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 542 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Thanks, @Jay. I wasn’t aware who Bruce Marshall was. Rescind my JWFan membership immediately. Out of interest, what forum was @Groovygoth666 quoting that exchange from? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 That's Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, QuartalHarmony said: Thanks, @Jay. I wasn’t aware who Bruce Marshall was. Rescind my JWFan membership immediately. The important part of that screen shot is what the official LLL page posted as a response, not the identity of the fan that they were responding to. 1 hour ago, QuartalHarmony said: Out of interest, what forum was @Groovygoth666 quoting that exchange from? Mark That's not a forum, that's Facebook. The post even contains a direct link to the post in question - That's why "year" is underlined. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 542 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Gotcha. Not a user of FB, hence my ignorance. I’ll crawl back under my rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 You don't have to have an account to see the page at the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,860 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay said: https://www.disneymusiclicensing.com/albums?orderBy=original_release_date&orderDest=desc Just realized there's a contact us part on that site. It'd be a shame if they received a bunch of letters from us... enderdrag64, Manakin Skywalker, Edmilson and 6 others 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Brando said: Just realized there's a contact us part on that site. It'd be a shame if they received a bunch of letters from us... Manakin Skywalker, Trope, Taikomochi and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,037 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Brando said: Just realized there's a contact us part on that site. It'd be a shame if they received a bunch of letters from us... As long as it stays nice I would be down. They might really not know that people want this stuff enderdrag64, SpotTheDog, MrJosh and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 I think they are more than aware that we want more Star Wars music. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, SpotTheDog, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,118 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 I’m making sure Disney knows I’m serious about my suggestion. Brando, ThePenitentMan1, Manakin Skywalker and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,860 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Gibster said: As long as it stays nice I would be down. They might really not know that people want this stuff Oh of course! Never bite the hand that feeds you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,095 Posted November 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2022 You know it would be wild if the Williams release came from none of these boutique labels and instead came from Disney in December. ..like Indy Box set … SpotTheDog, bollemanneke and Brando 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Brando said: Oh of course! Never bite the hand that feeds you. But the hand refuses to even dripfeed us! And even when it does it's moldy and rotten (Hunchback Legacy) Brando and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 248 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 So any idea when the next release is going to be announced? I am desperately waiting for it so I can finally place an order to catch up other "recent" releases as well (fiddler on the roof, Jurassic park, space camp, presumed innocent) and save on shipping costs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ciarlese said: So any idea when the next release is going to be announced? I think it's safe to assume it's part of next week's Lalaland's Black Friday releases to be announced 9 pm PST (California) November 24. bollemanneke and ciarlese 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 248 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I see an unusual lack of interest for this potential upcoming announcement compared to previous similar occasions: is it because nobody expects anything at all? Is it because you all know what is coming this time and it doesn't deserve to much attention? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 591 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 It's his 90th birthday year. So they better have a great announcement coming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Calm before the storm probably. 2 minutes ago, Steve said: It's his 90th birthday year. So they better have a great announcement coming!! That depends on what 'great' means to different people. Some here will see anything less than Hook as a travesty, whereas I'll be happy if it's The Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 591 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Calm before the storm probably. That depends on what 'great' means to different people. Some here will see anything less than Hook as a travesty, whereas I'll be happy if it's The Terminal. Yes it depends. A Hook re-issue wouldn't be a "new" release, would it? I'd be happy with something like "The man who loved cat dancing" or so. An Oliver Stone box is not possible because of the differnet labels or did I get that wrong? MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 It's been too calm. I'm overflowing with energy because of temporary medication. I need frantic JWFan speculation, drama and excitement. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Steve said: Yes it depends. A Hook re-issue wouldn't be a "new" release, would it? I'd be happy with something like "The man who loved cat dancing" or so. An Oliver Stone box is not possible because of the differnet labels or did I get that wrong? I meant Hook in context of an actual new release, which half the forum is basically demanding by this point. The only reissue I see as being realistic would be TLW - I actually sort of hope that's the Williams representation because JP3 would be the perfect sister release. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, Steve said: Yes it depends. A Hook re-issue wouldn't be a "new" release, would it? I'd be happy with something like "The man who loved cat dancing" or so. An Oliver Stone box is not possible because of the differnet labels or did I get that wrong? I think people are just being realistic. Pointless getting our hopes up for Indy or Star Wars (even if Disney allowed a smaller label in that wheelhouse, it'd be Intrada) Everything post-2005 is off-limits (the date hasn't changed, so far as we know) so no Tintin/Memoirs of a Geisha/Lincoln with lots of unreleased music MV has ruled out Hook Oliver Stone box set is off the table Amistad is the last eligible Spielberg score with significant unreleased music. The other two pre-2005 Spielberg scores (CMIYC/Terminal) don't have much unreleased Patriot and Nixon have significant unreleased music but both are Intrada territory (due to the Disney connection) So it might come from the non-Spielberg canon, but with all the amazing expansions we've had over the years, there's less meat on the bone. Would be nice to finally tick Sugarland off the list... but I wouldn't exactly do backflips. I'll be blown away if something post-2005 is expanded, a previously ruled-out title like Tintin. It wouldn't just be an incredible expansion in its own right, but it would signal an opening of the floodgates for previously untouchable scores. Trope, MaxTheHouseelf, Edmilson and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, crumbs said: I don't think the other two pre-2005 Spielberg scores (CMIYC/The Terminal) have much unreleased. The CMIYC album is entirely re-recordings IIRC (not that I personally want it - just pointing out). The Terminal probably doesn't have much unreleased but would benefit from a proper C&C arrangement with alternates and concert arrangements properly arranged at the end. Doesn't feel like the volume of unreleased music is a factor in JWFan discussions these days anyway. Yavar Moradi, Holko and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Richard Penna said: The CMIYC album is entirely re-recordings IIRC (not that I personally want it - just pointing out). I guess it's the 20th anniversary after all... but there's really nothing major in the film that isn't represented somewhere on the OST. I think it's still debated whether that OST actually used alternate recordings to the film... Terminal would certainly benefit from a C&C presentation but I don't think there's much unreleased music there either (which is usually the most exciting aspect of expansions, to me). GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 On 05/11/2022 at 1:48 AM, Jay said: Mike Matessino will be the guy who will do that one day, and Disney can hire him to do it just like LLL or any other label can Someone managed to record me ageing before that ever happens and sped the footage up, it's nasty: Bayesian, Jay and Brando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I wouldn't buy CMYIC given my current taste. Terminal maybe, but not instantly. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 What happened to the 'we need all Williams scores expanded' JWFan mentality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,095 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Relax guys..it has to be STEP MOM !!! bollemanneke and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Or a shawm box set. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,516 Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: What happened to the 'we need all Williams scores expanded' JWFan mentality? Every JW score has to be expanded properly but not everyone has to buy all of them. Bayesian, bollemanneke and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,337 Posted November 24, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 The Catch Me If You Can album is not a re-recording. It's entirely from the same scoring sessions as what you hear in the film. There is 1 concert arrangement plus some album-only extensions appended to film cues on the album, and there is tracking in the film, which made it easy to think the album was a re-recording back in the day Edmilson, crumbs, bollemanneke and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 312 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I’ll predict Amistad is this year with my backup being Catch Me If You Can. Both great scores even if they’re not Star Wars or Hook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay said: The Catch Me If You Can album is not a re-recording. It's entirely from the same scoring sessions as what you hear in the film. It's just that he recorded a lot of revised openings/endings for the album that got edited onto the cues. Ah ok, it was this old article that I was remembering: https://www.jwfan.com/?p=3567 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,860 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 5 hours ago, crumbs said: Everything post-2005 is off-limits (the date hasn't changed, so far as we know) I was told this was changed, am I mistaken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,337 Posted November 24, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Ah ok, it was this old article that I was remembering: https://www.jwfan.com/?p=3567 Yes, that is from well before the sheet music was available. Now that it is, the album breakdown has been figured out 01 Catch Me If You Can Closing In w/ Insert and New Ending 02 The Float 0:00-0:45 = 7M4 Front Extension 0:45-3:43 = 7M4 Frank and Carl [bars 11-28,41-169] 3:43-4:23 = 7M4 End Extension [bars 1-34] 4:34-end = 7M4 Frank and Carl [bars 191-192,195-end] 04 Recollections Reflections 05 The Airport Scene 0:00-0:41 = 4M5 F.B.I. Net 0:41-end = 5M9 The Airport Scene [bars 8-end] 07 Learning The Ropes 0:00-2:24 = 2M4 Learning the Ropes [bars 1-52, 55-72, 75-90] 2:24–2:42 = 2M4 Stewardess Insert 2:42–6:03 = 2M4 Learning the Ropes [bars 104-176, 179-254] 6:03–end = 2M4A Learning the Ropes Part II 08 Father And Son 0:00–2:03 = 1M3 Father and Son [bars 1-21,24-35] 2:03–end = 5M5 Let’s Call a Truce 10 The Flash Comics Clue 0:00–0:47 = 4M1alt. Flash Comics 0:47–1:32 = 6M9 Catch Me [bars 26-49,57-64] 1:32–end = Closing In [bars 65-72] 11 Deadheading 0:00–1:01 = 2M5 Deadhead 1:01-end = 5M8 Up the Staircase 13 A Broken Home 0:00–1:51 = 7M1 First Day at Work [bars 1-30] 1:51–2:06 = 6M5 Consulting the Penner Bros. [bars 19-23] 2:06-end = 2M3 The Divorce Scene 14 Doctor, Lawyer, Lutheran 0:00–1:02 = 5M1 Self-Made Lawyer [bars 1-34, 43-53] 1:02–end = 4M4 I’m a Doctor Track 16 Catch Me If You Can (Reprise and End Credits) 0:00–2:31 = 7M4 Frank and Carl [1-83, 165-192, 195-end] 2:31–end = Closing In w/ Insert and New Ending jamesluckard, enderdrag64, BrotherSound and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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