Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Directly from Intrada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Thor said: Well, "probably" and "likely" still constitute a mystery to me. I always thought the cue sounded a bit like Vince DiCola at that time. But thanks for the run-down, shame no synth programming was listed in the liner notes. And I still have a hard time understanding what exactly constitutes a mystery for you about this cue. It's a John Williams cue written in the pop style typical of that era. He did that because that's what he was asked to come up with for that scene. It's more than possible that some of the above-mentioned musicians came up with the keyboard sounds you hear, but that's more or less how JW always works when it comes to electronic timbres in his scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Directly from Intrada? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, TownerFan said: And I still have a hard time understanding what exactly constitutes a mystery for you about this cue. It's a John Williams cue written in the pop style typical of that era. He did that because that's what he was asked to come up with for that scene. It's more than possible that some of the above-mentioned musicians came up with the keyboard sounds you hear, but that's more or less how JW always works when it comes to electronic timbres in his scores. And I still have a hard time understanding why you can't see that something that is not 100% confirmed is a bit of a mystery? We can surmise that some of the musicians you listed helped in the programming of that cue, but if there is no specific person listed in the liner notes, it's just that - a guess. An educated, likely guess, but a guess nonetheless. I've been curious about who did that particular aspect of that particular cue for decades now. For me, it's a mystery. I've always wanted it to be Williams himself, so that I could add another facet to his skill set, but from what he's said over the years, I've found it less and less likely (just as with the techno bit in A.I. that turned out to be Joseph). It's his composition, but I doubt it's his synth programming. I would like to know -- for certain -- who it is. I believe that is my right. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Perhaps it had an influence on Hans Zimmer's genesis? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Antonb said: Yes. Huh. My orders from LLL and SAE have taken 1 - 2 months since the start of the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 bloody hell, that seems like a very long time! It might be a little more than 2 weeks, but not much. 3 weeks max I would say. And that was over christmas Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 The LLL orders are the worst. They often get routed to locations that don't make sense (such as Japan) before ending up in Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 really? weird. I must be lucky. They seem to fly directly from the states to London, and then from there to yorkshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Just now, Antonb said: really? weird. I must be lucky. They seem to fly directly from the states to London, and then from there to yorkshire. I should relocate to Yorkshire then. Regarding ordering directly from Intrada, do they help you avoid customs charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Well i paid 48.99 in dollars. I think i have to pay extra tax for the uk because of Brexit. Just now, Antonb said: Well i paid 48.99 in dollars. I think i have to pay extra tax for the uk because of Brexit. All together I mean! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I should relocate to Yorkshire then. Are you 'avin' a Turkish?! They don't even have electricity, up there. I've heard that they're hoping to install pump-action running water, next week. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Antonb said: really? weird. I must be lucky. They seem to fly directly from the states to London, and then from there to yorkshire. Not bad at all. Mine mostly end up going to London then across the channel to Guernsey although my latest parcel has taken a fun trip around California for a week before heading to New York… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: my latest parcel has taken a fun trip around California for a week before heading to New York… Sounds familiar. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Mine has taken a circuitous route from Oakland to San Jose to San Francisco to Anaheim to LA but will be delivered today. Crazy postal service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Is this the cunning plan of the administration for increasing the number of jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Sounds familiar. Weirdly, my Intrada parcel dispatched the same day from essentially the same area got here on Tuesday… Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Huh. My orders from LLL and SAE have taken 1 - 2 months since the start of the pandemic. SAE has improved - my most recent order arrived today, two weeks after being shipped. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciarlese 250 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Antonb said: Well i paid 48.99 in dollars. I think i have to pay extra tax for the uk because of Brexit. All together I mean! USA is not in the EU, Brexit hasn't changed custom duties to import goods from USA into UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 The Mike Matessino / @TownerFan / @mahler3 podcast is here! https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/05/20/spacecamp-presumed-innocent-podcast/ Dr. Rick and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Just picked it up from the mailbox and taking a listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I expect it to be quite a while before I get to listen to this since I ordered from the Music Box Records and it takes time for them to get their shipment. It's very interesting to hear, will the film mix of the score change my mind about this music as to my ears this score has always been somewhat middle tier Williams and the original album recording sounded somehow subdued and dispirited. I think the music would have benefitted from a wetter mix. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Mine is ripping now BrotherSound and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Going to sit and read the liner notes shortly, then will rip and listen! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted May 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay said: The Mike Matessino / @TownerFan / @mahler3 podcast is here! https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/05/20/spacecamp-presumed-innocent-podcast/ This was a great episode, what a wonderful companion to the new album. I really hope everyone listens to it and enjoys it, and then comes back and reads my thoughts! I really enjoyed the conversation about placing this score in the context of where JW was in his career at this time, and how where Spielberg was in his career and personal life at the time affected the path of Williams' film score selection as well. It was also interesting to learn about how Disney purchasing Fox led to this release being possible, and that Mike initially only wanted to release what is Disc 1 of this set because the album mix is only subtly different from the film mix and he had room to include the one album combo track as a bonus track anyway, but that Doug Fake wanted to include the OST album on a second disc, so that's what happened. It was also very cool to hear Mike Matessino talk about being younger and waiting patiently for a new Williams score to arrive in stores, the frustration with hearing cool Williams music that couldn't be purchased (like his Amazing Stories scores), and copying the SpaceCamp LP to cassette, but doing it in chronological order, to listen to on his walkman. I did this exact thing when I was in middle school with the Star Wars scores, playing the 1993 anthology set on the CD player on my dad's living room system while recording it to cassette, but in chronological order, also including the Mynock Cave music from the TESB OST CD and the full Training a Jedi from the Gerhardt CD, etc etc. Great stuff! Tom Guernsey, igger6, Yavar Moradi and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted May 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2022 I can count on one hand how many times I've received two separate JW releases delivered to me on the same day, plus it's our 22nd wedding anniversary today! Incanus, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, crocodile and 10 others 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 Congrats! Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted May 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2022 Just cracked open my copy, and it sounds magnificent! The previous issues certainly didn’t sound bad, but the score has certainly never sounded as vibrant and immediate as it does here. Excellent notes, courtesy of Mike Matessino, as always. We’re in the midst of great few weeks for John Williams fans, for sure! Chewy, Dr. Know, Yavar Moradi and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted May 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: We’re in the midst of great few weeks for John Williams fans, for sure! May 13 - SpaceCamp May 20 - A Gathering of Friends May 20 - Presumed Innocent May 27 - Obi-Wan June 3 - Violin Concerto #2 and Selected Film Themes What a run! GerateWohl, Andy, BrotherSound and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyD 1,223 Posted May 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2022 44 minutes ago, Jay said: May 13 - SpaceCamp May 20 - A Gathering of Friends May 20 - Presumed Innocent May 27 - Obi-Wan June 3 - Violin Concerto #2 and Selected Film Themes What a run! And the year ain't over yet! More to come still! Dr. Rick, Yavar Moradi and BrotherSound 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,123 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 It is hard to keep up! And that's a good thing. An embarrassment of riches. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 On 20/5/2022 at 1:42 PM, Thor said: And I still have a hard time understanding why you can't see that something that is not 100% confirmed is a bit of a mystery? We can surmise that some of the musicians you listed helped in the programming of that cue, but if there is no specific person listed in the liner notes, it's just that - a guess. An educated, likely guess, but a guess nonetheless. I've been curious about who did that particular aspect of that particular cue for decades now. For me, it's a mystery. I've always wanted it to be Williams himself, so that I could add another facet to his skill set, but from what he's said over the years, I've found it less and less likely (just as with the techno bit in A.I. that turned out to be Joseph). It's his composition, but I doubt it's his synth programming. I would like to know -- for certain -- who it is. I believe that is my right. There is no need to be so confrontational, pal. It’s not a mystery because it’s quite well known how John works with his keyboardists, so there is no big secret being kept in custody. If you listen to the talks I did with Ralph Grierson, Mike Lang or Randy Kerber, all of them tell precisely what is John’s methodology when dealing with synths and electronics. He sketches the synth line and gives indications using words of reference. Lang referred themselves almost as “synth orchestrators” when doing that kind of work for him. I think it’s more than safe to assume that that’s how he did also in the case of Training Montage, sketching the cue the same way he always does and assigning lines to instruments etc. and then turning to his trusted musicians and having them coming up with the synth sound he was looking for. It must be noted that while the piece has electronic timbres and sounds, it’s mostly acoustic and played live for the most part. The big difference with the techno bit in AI that you mention is that in that case the fragment was something purely electronic and not something that John could or would sketch on paper. That is certainly something out of his realm and that’s why he has to rely on other people in cases like that. QuartalHarmony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, TownerFan said: There is no need to be so confrontational, pal. Well, you started it by totally dismissing my experience of this as a 'mystery'. Information doesn't need to come with an arrogant attitude attached. You could just have said "I have access to the liner notes, and unfortunately there are no synth programmers listed. Instead, it lists the following musicians:" etc. This cue, or rather its synth & drum machine backdrop, has been a mystery to me since I first got the soundtrack in the 90s, and I don't believe it is yours or anyone else's right to just dismiss that as some sort of stupid folly, which is how I read both of your posts. The 2010 Intrada release doesn't list any personell either (except the engineer etc.), and I have no access to the new liner notes. I do agree with you -- now that you've listed some personell, and given what we know about Williams' work method -- that it is likely the programming was done by some of those. But we don't know for sure who it was. As you seem to have access to Mr. Mattessino, perhaps you could ask him if he has any more details on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I think the Intrada samples were my first ever listen to a note of this score - thought it was OK enough, worth looking into more. The cues in the preview podcast peaked my interest, but now the samples in the proper podcast hyped me up and I can't wait to get it, no further pre-investigation necessary! Chewy and Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted May 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2022 I imagine space aliens in the year 2468 examining this thread, wondering what triggered this impassioned debate. Finally they locate the 'Spacecamp' soundtrack and listen to 'Training Montage'. Hilarity ensues. Taikomochi, igger6, QuartalHarmony and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,123 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I was pleased that Mike mentioned Home Alone’s Preparing the Trap when talking about Training Montage. I’ve long had the same opinion. Neither is more dated, it’s just that Home Alone is a more beloved film. QuartalHarmony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrauman 14 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I got mine today. Yay! Looks great. Still wish we had the original album included. Chewy and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 It is included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted May 21, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, jrauman said: I got mine today. Yay! Looks great. Still wish we had the original album included. Yavar Moradi, MaxTheHouseelf, jrauman and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Andy said: I was pleased that Mike mentioned Home Alone’s Preparing the Trap when talking about Training Montage. I’ve long had the same opinion. Neither is more dated, it’s just that Home Alone is a more beloved film. Both are dated, but different dates, there are other scores with cues that use that drum kit sound, like this Nick Bicat cue here at 2:54: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 On 20/5/2022 at 2:01 PM, Dr. Rick said: it's our 22nd wedding anniversary today! Happy Anniversary! Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 663 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 On 20/05/2022 at 1:15 PM, Jurassic Shark said: Regarding ordering directly from Intrada, do they help you avoid customs charges? Yes, although I've only ordered one release from them at a time they always put the value of it at $5, I've never asked them to do this, but it does mean I don't pay custom fees. Lalaland always put the full value, but as it's again usually one release the value is still low enough to avoid custom charges. On 20/05/2022 at 4:16 PM, Tom Guernsey said: Not bad at all. Mine mostly end up going to London then across the channel to Guernsey although my latest parcel has taken a fun trip around California for a week before heading to New York… My last order from Lalaland took a similar trip, but went from LA straight to London, and being in Oxfordshire it usually only takes a day once it's cleared customs to get here. Jurassic Shark and Tom Guernsey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Groovygoth666 said: Yes, although I've only ordered one release from them at a time they always put the value of it at $5, I've never asked them to do this, but it does mean I don't pay custom fees. Lalaland always put the full value, but as it's again usually one release the value is still low enough to avoid custom charges. Thanks. Does Intrada declare the shipping charge on the package, or do they give a total that omits the shipping charge? LLL has always been helpful avoiding customs - just ask them to label the package as a commercial sample. Groovygoth666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 663 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Thanks. Does Intrada declare the shipping charge on the package, or do they give a total that omits the shipping charge? You're welcome. Oh that's a good question, can't recall off the top of my head, definitely has the contents of the package as a cd and it's value at $5, but will get back to you once SpaceCamp arrives. 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: LLL has always been helpful avoiding customs - just ask them to label the package as a commercial sample. Thanks for the head's up, didn't know that they'd be willing to do that so will have to ask next time. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Groovygoth666 said: Thanks for the head's up, didn't know that they'd be willing to do that so will have to ask next time. That and the super sturdy packaging are the reasons I prefer ordering directly from them. Not the delivery times... Groovygoth666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 663 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That and the super sturdy packaging are the reasons I prefer ordering directly from them. Not the delivery times... Yep, plus they're always willing to add extra bubble wrap so no more broken case's when traveling across the pond! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrauman 14 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 21 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It is included. ok. I'm getting old and senile it seems. I am having a false memory of a soundtrack album that included the songs from the movie. No wonder everyone is looking at me with apprehension. Here are the songs. SpaceCamp (1986) - Soundtracks - IMDb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 That just shows songs used in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrauman 14 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 22 hours ago, Jay said: I deserve that. Just now, Jurassic Shark said: That just shows songs used in the film. Right. I just thought they were on an album at one point. Kinda like how Jerry Golldsmith had to share a soundtrack album with pop songs in the mid 80s. I'm clearly getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, jrauman said: I just thought they were on an album at one point. Kinda like how Jerry Golldsmith had to share a soundtrack album with pop songs in the mid 80s. I'm clearly getting old. Many movies in the 80's had that configuration. Superman III and InnerSpace (as you likely are remembering) for example plus many others with only 1-2 score tracks. Even Always has a number of songs before transitioning to score. SpaceCamp happily avoided this fate, perhaps in part that the songs are not very prominent and only in the first 40 mins of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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