Edmilson 7,392 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Today marks the 20th anniversary of the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones in American theaters. The movie is not good, it has some atrocious CGI and laughable moments, but at the very least John Williams' score is amazing. LSH and Bellosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 So we are waiting for an expansion of this score since... 20 years! Cheers! Raiders of the SoundtrArk and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2022 Good movie Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Tiburon, Holko and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Still haven't got round to watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Edmilson 7,392 Posted May 16, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2022 The expansion can't come soon enough. There's some great unreleased cues from this score, my favorite being this one: Some of my favorite performances of Palpatine's theme and the Imperial March. ins, enderdrag64, BrotherSound and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 My favourite scene... and probably the best use of CGI in a movie. You want to go home and redo Star Wars. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted May 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Albeit this is how it would appear on an official expansion (except without the virtual instruments, obviously ) BrotherSound, enderdrag64 and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,085 Posted May 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2022 Good times. Remember going to Target to get the mystery track? I went to Star Wars Celebration II in advance of the film by a few weeks, and it was an amazing experience. Fandom was less divided, and the attendance wasn't out of control. I remember the streets of Indianapolis were absolutely empty around breakfast time, and we saw Anthony Daniels, on his own, just strolling around by himself. We figured what the hell, so we introduced ourselves, and he was delightful to engage with. He was less rehearsed, less jaded, and genuinely happy to talk to us. enderdrag64, Brando and JNHFan2000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I don't believe I've ever seen this movie all the way through...if I have...I simply don't remember. It just came out during a time when I didn't care about anything star wars and I never really cared to catch up with it. The original Lego star wars game is actually how I remember this story the most. Also to this day, it's still the most least listened to SW score for me. Although probably has my favorite Darth Vader theme rendition of all time in the end credits. It being the most least listened to score for me is probably bound to change when the complete version comes out in 2085. But honestly, thanks to this thread, I might watch this movie one of these nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 A dark, dark day. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Edmilson said: Today marks the 20th anniversary of the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones in American theaters. A date that continues to live in infamy. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Bespin said: My favourite scene... and probably the best use of CGI in a movie. I agree. Ewan McGregor is so life-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 Here's a great essay about the movie's impact - or lack thereof: Quote When Attack of the Clones opened in May of 2002, it was already at risk of playing second fiddle. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone had smashed opening weekend records with a $93 million debut before legging to $317 million domestic while topping The Phantom Menace globally with $974 million worldwide. A month later, The Fellowship of the Ring earned rave reviews and $881 million worldwide. Peter Jackson’s towering adventure would earn a slew of Oscar nominations (including Best Picture and Best Director) and was almost universally believed to be the start of a Lord of the Rings trilogy that could stand side by side with Star Wars. Not only did Attack of the Clones have to reset the narrative after The Phantom Menace, but it would be the first Star Wars film opening amid other Star Wars-sized fantasy blockbusters. Oh, and that’s not even counting Sam Raimi’s game-changing Spider-Man, which opened two weeks earlier and stole much of Episode Two’s presumed thunder. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/05/16/20-years-ago-matrix-spider-man-harry-potter-lord-of-the-rings-put-star-wars-attack-of-the-clones-on-the-defensive/?sh=4441e01c7f64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Here's a great essay about the movie's impact - or lack thereof: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/05/16/20-years-ago-matrix-spider-man-harry-potter-lord-of-the-rings-put-star-wars-attack-of-the-clones-on-the-defensive/?sh=4441e01c7f64 Quote Oh, and that’s not even counting Sam Raimi’s game-changing Spider-Man, which opened two weeks earlier and stole much of Episode Two’s presumed thunder. I remember an interview where George Lucas was calling Spider-Man 3 a "silly, silly movie" and how Star Wars was way better. I think he has a lot of resentment towards Spider-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 SPIDER-MAN, and SPIDER-MAN 2, are good films, but SPIDER-MAN 3 is pretty silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I for one love this movie in spite of all its defaults. I am grateful it has been made as it offers one of the best score ever written and probably the best love theme. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: I remember an interview where George Lucas was calling Spider-Man 3 a "silly, silly movie" and how Star Wars was way better. Did he? I'm far from a Lucas apologist, but that doesn't particularly sound like him. He'll take shots at the competition, but not like this. Oh nevermind, he said this of Spiderman 3! Can't blame him... The "Well, it's not 'Star Wars'" remark doesn't seem to have been Lucas', but the reporter's. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,337 Posted May 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2022 After episode 1 the expectations were lowered to a reasonable level, so I enjoyed it a lot in the cinema. It was actually the first time to watch an army of jedi knights in action. That was quite uplifting. Anyway, the whole arena part is great and unlike anything that we saw in the other movies. JNHFan2000, enderdrag64, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I remember my Dad asking me if I wanted to go and see this for what would've been my 17th birthday and my absence of enthusiasim for anything SW-related being obvious. I've still never seen this or TPM beyond a handful of isolated clips and I have zero desire to correct this. I'm afraid my general apathy towards the score continues. Whilst I adore HP:PS to bits, this one just doesn't do anything for me outside of one or two tracks, not helped by Across the Stars being far too similar to Hook for me to really enjoy it. I certainly hope that expansions for all 3 prequels come out soon though - they will make a lot of people very happy (and I want RotS, for anyone thinking I'm completely anti-SW ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: It was actually the first time to watch an army of jedi knights in action. That was quite uplifting. Anyway, the whole arena part is great and unlike anything that we saw in the other movies. The movie has its upsides for sure: every movie does. I actually like the tableaux of Curoscant and Naboo and how the plot is constructed such that we see a fair amount of it. Its nice to kind of have some quiet time in the Republic before it goes to the gutter... Other than that and some of the things you mentioned, though, I definitely think its the worst prequel; and probably still the worst Star Wars entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scallenger 481 Posted May 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2022 I have a strange and probably too personal of a memory associated with this movie. So of course, I am gonna share it. I was, I believe, a sophomore in high school. I was totally in love with this guy I had been hanging out with, but I wasn't out of the closet or anything so I doubt he knew. But we were friends, at least. Well, at one point, he got a girlfriend (I know, the nerve of him), and he wanted to see Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones. I wanted to see it too... and so did his new girlfriend. So, we all went to see it... and as you can imagine, for me it was awkward. Silently sitting beside them as they made out with each other... snuggling... yeah, it was mini torture. Until... I started to hear the dialogue in the movie. I laughed a little. Then the "romance" on the screen played out, which was mirroring the ridiculous high school play-style nature of the one beside me. I laughed again. But then, finally... the moment came... when Yoda appeared onscreen, ready to fight Count Dooku. And he... began to jump around like a leap frog, flailing around his lightsaber. And I didn't even laugh. Instead, I frowned, looked over to my friend and his girlfriend to see what their reaction was. They laughed, and seemed to dig it. I looked back towards the screen, my frown not escaping me... and all I could think was: "This movie is so bad. Thank god. I needed the distraction." DarthDementous, Taikomochi, Tom Guernsey and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,639 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 The movie is ambitious but never achieves its aspirational goals. That being said, it has its moments. Before 2015, it was my least favorite SW movie--5 new movies later, it is nowhere near the bottom of my list. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Simply the worst SW film ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 It's so romantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bayesian 1,359 Posted May 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2022 I remember being disappointed it didn't become the biggest movie of the year. I also remember enjoying the movie a fair bit (my standards for summer entertainment were lower when I was younger). That summer, the first one post-9/11, was a bit of a weird one. Everyone was hesitant about when we could start enjoying frivolous things again like during the late 90s. The dark mood of Ep. II certainly didn't help lift spirits or hope much. That Ep. II did as well as it did speaks to how invested in Star Wars people still were. MikeH, Naïve Old Fart and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 This was the first and only time watching a new SW film that I knew how the story would play out going into it, as I had spolied myself completely reading a leak of some sorts that had been posted online before the release date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted May 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Simply the worst SW film ever. Worse than THE RISE OF SKYWALKER? I think not! At least it was directed by someone who gave the appearance of knowing what he was doing. A24, Bellosh and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 AOTC was probably the prequel that I liked most when I saw it in theaters, but the one that has held up for me the least. (Personally, even though I wasn’t a fan, I also think that TROS is better than any of the prequels, but ymmv on that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Worse than THE RISE OF SKYWALKER? I think not! At least it was directed by someone who gave the appearance of knowing what he was doing. Agreed. While they often felt wooden and odd (like George himself), they were always strangely watchable. OTOH, I can't stomach The Rise Of Skywalker. Romão and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 What an ORIGINAL ending! SPOILER ALERT: They shut off the power source ( again) to defeat the enemy. 😎 Compared to TPM, a masterpiece... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Before the Disney era, it was my least favorite Star Wars movie, and I left the theater disappointed, which I didn't at all with Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. But the score was SO good. I remember being way more into it than I was The Two Towers that year. One positive thing about the movie itself, I think all the Tatooine stuff is REALLY well done. There's almost no real cheeseball stuff like there is in the rest of the movie. Even Anakin's outburst was appropriate I thought, and this: On 16/05/2022 at 7:03 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: Plus the next piece: is REALLY amazing stuff. Sorely missing from the OST. I've significantly warmed on the prequels over the years, but my last viewing of this film was still super rough. With that said, for as bad of a movie as it was, and it was bad, there was a ton of positive associated with it, especially the extended media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Say what you will about TPM, but it has one of the best and most Star Warzy scenes of the entire Star Wars franchise. And it's a scene only Lucas can bring into existence. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 The prequels have good core ideas but Lucas failed to clean them up and mostly really failed in putting them onscreen, or doing it compellingly. IMO he failed the least with TPM. Undoubtedly the most complete failure is AotC, but RotS's inconsistency (still being just as bad as AotC for half the runtime) might annoy me more. Reading the Rinzler books, he always complains that he hates writing and directing. Well, it shows. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Worse than THE RISE OF SKYWALKER? I think not! I keep on going back and forth between the two. Its basically a debate between over the top whackiness (The Rise of Skywalker) and tedium (Attack of the Clones). I think whackiness wins. Both films are about the same degree of decadent, too. Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scallenger 481 Posted May 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2022 For me The Rise of Skywalker is the worst of them all. It just never clicked for me. Never even had a real engaging sequence. At least Attack of the Clones has fun action sequences and interesting things that happen (often visually). But TROS... it all looked like everything we've seen before. And don't get me started on all the other issues that movie had. And people like to hate on Last Jedi... to me that one at least felt like a movie. Bellosh, enderdrag64, Remco and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gitz 85 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I’ll defend this movie until the day I die. I kinda love it. I just love this world & this era of the SW universe. Yes the dialogue is cheesy and the acting is a bit stiff, but there’s more imagination and visual wonder in 2 minutes of this film than most have in their entire runtimes. I love the little detective story Obi Wan is on, & god help me, but I even like Hayden Christensen as Anakin. Darth Vader was once a whiny, pouting love struck teenager. Frankly, Star Wars has never been an acting showcase. Mark Hamil in the original also comes off a little whiny at times. I can always excuse iffy acting and dialogue is the story is interesting & something is going on visually. This movie has that in spades. yes a lot of the CGI doesn’t hold up, but again, that doesn’t bother me in the same way Star Trek TV FX don’t hold up & that doesn’t bother me. I just dig the story being told in the prequels. I find them much more interesting & imaginative than the sequel trilogy. When you add in the Clone Wars TV show? It’s magic Evanus and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 For me it was probably the worst Star Wars, until maybe Rise of Skywalker - I go back and forth to be honest. It has some genuinely impressive sequences, even now, but it's the service of a lot of more melodramatic elements, and Lucas just isn't the kind of writer / director to bring that to life. It does feel way more creative, then most of the Disney movies, I'll give it that. I do have fond memories of seeing it in the cinemas back in the day with my friends, though. I'm pretty sure we lost it at the climatic Yoda sequence at the end, and I specifically remember one of my friends going "I guess that's why him the jedi master", when he started using his lighstaber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Boy, people sure do hate RISE# I hadn't realized it until this thread. I skipped the last three ( I did watch some of first one- just awful!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 23 hours ago, Mr. Gitz said: I love the little detective story Obi Wan is on I think that storyline gets more credit than it deserves, honestly. I mean, its great that you enjoy it, but for me, the fact that no more attempts are made on Padme's life kinda puts the fire out from underneath Obi Wan's investigation. Its like "Oh, chill out, Obi Wan, clearly whomever it is who tried to kill Padme had given up!" Sure, the detective story kinda morphs into "the hell is this Clone army?!" but then that "mystery" gets...shoved under the carpet, never to be resolved. Also, the answer of who's behind Padme's assasination attempt is disappointing: "Ah, right, the bad guys from the previous film! And this new character - not introduced until this point - who we could guess was 'it' unless for the extremly clumsy device of letting Windu promise us he isn't." Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F 100 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 How in the world is this complete score on YouTube but hasn’t been officially released yet? Madness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted May 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, John F said: How in the world is this complete score on YouTube but hasn’t been officially released yet? Madness! Because apparently I, some random person, care more about it than Lucasfilm. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Andy, ThePenitentMan1 and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F 100 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Manakin not all heroes wear capes lol… thank you for your service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted May 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, John F said: Manakin not all heroes wear capes lol… thank you for your service. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, ThePenitentMan1, Andy and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, John F said: Manakin not all heroes wear capes lol… thank you for your service. He's the hero we deserve AND the one we need! Manakin Skywalker and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gitz 85 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Quote 4 hours ago, Chen G. said: I think that storyline gets more credit than it deserves, honestly. I mean, its great that you enjoy it, but for me, the fact that no more attempts are made on Padme's life kinda puts the fire out from underneath Obi Wan's investigation. Its like "Oh, chill out, Obi Wan, clearly whomever it is who tried to kill Padme had given up!" Sure, the detective story kinda morphs into "the hell is this Clone army" but then that "mystery" gets...shoved under the carpet, never to be resolved. Also, the answer of who's behind Padme's assasination attempt is disappointing: "Ah, right, the bad guys from the previous film! And this new character - not introduced until this point - who we could guess was 'it' unless for the extremly clumsy device of letting Windu promise us he isn't." The reason Padme’s life is never put in Jeopardy again is because the result was the same. It wasn’t really the separatists who wanted Padme dead, it was Palpatine. Yes they wanted her dead, but Palpatine wanted her out of the senate for the war measures vote. Her death or her out in hiding resulted in the same thing:Jar Jar being put into place to propose to vote. That was the entire point of that plot line, not the separatists. Dooku/Palpatine was just using their hatred of her towards their own ends. Obi Wan’s detective story is interesting because of where it leads. The Clones. It’s actually pretty cool plotting by George Lucas. The bad guys make the army for the good guys and since the Jedi have lost their way the force is clouded and blocking their ability to see what’s happening right in front of them. Right when the good guys think they are about to win…Order 66. The separatists put the republic in the situation where if they DONT use that Clone Army, they are done. So they use it & it brings about their end anyways, except now they are complicit. Especially the Jedi. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Mr. Gitz said: The reason Padme’s life is never put in Jeopardy again is because the result was the same. I think that's a huge conceptual issue with the movie. If the entire film was about repeated assasination attempts against Padme, it would make both Anakin protecting her and Obi-Wan's investigation have a lot more urgency. But alas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,344 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Let's not forget the thing that this movie got really, REALLY right ... much, much less Jar-Jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I must be the only person in the western world who actually likes Jar Jar...or, at least, doesn't that think he's a total twat. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,085 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 You’re not. JibberJabberwocky and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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