King Mark 3,615 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Williams original version has a lot more impact. Same can be said of the Solo theme Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 53 minutes ago, King Mark said: Williams original version has a lot more impact. Same can be said of the Solo theme I actually prefer the end credits version. It's much punchier and has a wetter recording Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 588 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, publicist said: Forget it Jake, it’s Fanboytown. Oh yeah, that's the typical killer argument. You don't like it so everybody who likes it can only be a "fanboy" Why are you always so grumpy? Let people enjoy the music. And by the way, this ist actually called "Williams Fan Network" Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,903 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 What do I think of it? For the most part, I'm still mostly astounded it exists. Its a nice theme. I like it. Remco, Not Mr. Big, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 Looking at this piece alongside all of his other Disney era contributions, I can very easily see where this might fall on the lesser end of that spectrum for many. Some users have made the point that this specific period in Obi-Wan’s life, and by extension this time in the Star Wars universe, doesn’t really quite lend itself to that classic Star Wars sound. The opportunities for those celebratory brass fanfares to shine through are decidedly a little more barren this time around. I posit that Williams could have written something that would have been more of a crowd pleaser but I think doing so would have betrayed what the theme needed to be for the story as he understood it. It ultimately comes down to, in my eyes, effectiveness versus accessibility. This theme I think is very effective at conjuring up, with startling accuracy and nuance, the multiple feelings as they would describe the character as the show finds him now. What cost that comes with I think is accessibility. A bittersweet theme without resolution meant to define one of the most iconic heroes ever created is a hard pill to swallow. The feelings it creates aren’t that accessible. It’s not something I think most people would want to let wash over them, and I totally get that. But it’s how well that emotional depth, for me, is realized that makes me want to keep coming back to it. Heroics, mysticism, tragedy, tinges of sadness, and a little bit of hope. It’s all in there. You get all those feelings in 4 minutes. None of them ever really dominate, they all kinda coexist in there. And you know what all those kinda sound like to me? That sounds like Star Wars, baby. Taikomochi, Not Mr. Big, Ricard and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 I like the melody, it does the job. But the arrangement is a huge letdown. Normally, JW has some interesting stuff going on. Where are the (solo) woodwind(s) (runs)? Where is the percussion section (Marimba/Vibraphone/Xylophone)? Where is some prominent, interesting counterpoint? Why no StarWars-y trumpet flourishes? Not even prominent timpani like in Rise of Skywalker. I'm missing a lot of texture and variation in melody and orchestration/instrumentation. All there is is harmony accompaniment in the first section, then this ostinato with the same melody in trumpets. At 1:45 it starts to get a little interesting, only to die off around 2:10 again. What follows is as depressing as 'Anakin's Betrayal'. Looks to me that JW simply had no time to flesh it out into a concert piece, which is totally fine with me, giving his schedule this year. I was excited as everyone else seeing him perfom it live at SW Celebration. But this piece just does not work for me as stand-alone piece, as it is, and I'd be surprised if this was ever been performed live again by JW. I prefer Galaxy's Edge and Adventures of Han over this. Both are much more interesting and exciting to listen to. Again, it works as nice add-on theme to the SW catalogue but that's it. Which leads me to the score of the first two episodes: Having watched the first two episodes, I was a little astounded why the theme appears so often with the same orchestration. Like all that was done seemed to be copy-pasting it every time Obi-Wan is on screen. Why did Holt not do anything interesting with this theme? Time issues? They could've done more. j39m and Joni Wiljami 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,839 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 I agree the arrangement is structurally boring. It reminds me of Anthem of Evil and other secondary JW themes that kinda of just run their main idea through a few motions and that's it. MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 14 hours ago, publicist said: Why Williams bothers with this is beyond me. It’s a rather undistinguished piece of work and this time he can’t even make it work in a larger context because he’s obviously not scoring the series. Just let it go, man! My same thoughts. I wish he was employing his time doing something more interesting. Writing a single piece for a movie or a series does not give him the possibility to immerse himself in the story and develop well-crafted theme(s) of some musical relevance. I felt similarly about the Solo theme (Powell could have written the whole score by himself, he surely did not need a "guiding hand" for the main theme). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 JW at 90 years old decides to use 2 weeks of his time to write a Star Wars theme and people at JWfan wish he’d spent his time differently. It’s incredible. Ricard, Dr. Know, Bayesian and 10 others 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, Remco said: JW at 90 years old decides to use 2 weeks of his time to write a Star Wars theme and people at JWfan wish he’d spent his time differently. Based on the result, yes. I would not say so if he had provided a new theme at the same level of musical importance as the themes that he wrote for the film scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Score said: Based on the result, yes. I would not say so if he had provided a new theme at the same level of musical importance as the themes that he wrote for the film scores. I think JW should do whatever he wants and the idea of fans deciding on how he should spent his time quite preposterous. Sandor, Bryant Burnette, Fabulin and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 153 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 I'll send to JW a letter. It's my duty as a former fanboy. It's time to end, old man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Remco said: I think JW should do whatever he wants and the idea of fans deciding on how he should spent his time quite preposterous. In fact, I did not decide anything. Since this thread is about our opinion on the Obi-Wan theme, my opinion is that it is rather unimportant (as a piece of music) and, since I thought the same of the Solo theme, I'd rather see him composing something else than single themes for Star Wars spin-offs, because I believe these don't give him the possibility to shine. If you think the Obi-Wan theme is as good as, say, Princess Leia's theme, enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Score said: In fact, I did not decide anything. Since this thread is about our opinion on the Obi-Wan theme, my opinion is that it is rather unimportant (as a piece of music) and, since I thought the same of the Solo theme, I'd rather see him composing something else than single themes for Star Wars spin-offs, because I believe these don't give him the possibility to shine. If you think the Obi-Wan theme is as good as, say, Princess Leia's theme, enjoy! Your opinion is all fine, it’s the part about JW’s time that I do not understand. Especially considering he’s got 2 new scores coming up, there’s the recent Yo-Yo Ma and upcoming Mutter album, his plans of writing a piano concerto… it’s not like this had any impact on his other activities. We got this theme, the other option would have been a theme by Holt. I’m just surprised to read on a JW forum that people would rather have that option. (Btw, no I do not think it’s as good as Leia’s theme, but I do enjoy it a lot and I don’t think it’s as one-dimensional as some claim here.) Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 well perhaps some people will appreciate this music and some of his other so called lesser works when he's dead. Until then I'm personally going to enjoy and appreciate his music. There is nothing that I hate or cant listen too . Remco and Dr. Know 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Remco said: Your opinion is all fine, it’s the part about JW’s time that I do not understand. Especially considering he’s got 2 new scores coming up, there’s the recent Yo-Yo Ma and upcoming Mutter album, his plans of writing a piano concerto… it’s not like this had any impact on his other activities. We got this theme, the other option would have been a theme by Holt. I’m just surprised to read on a JW forum that people would rather have that option. (Btw, no I do not think it’s as good as Leia’s theme, but I do enjoy it a lot and I don’t think it’s as one-dimensional as some claim here.) Ok, I just meant that, since I don't like very much the result for the Obi-Wan theme, I would have preferred him to work on something else in that time, nothing more. I know, of course, that we are going to get two scores and I cross my fingers for the piano concerto, and it's true that this 2-week assignment likely did not distract him too much from the rest. But - having seen the results - I don't like this operation of letting JW sign the main theme of a SW spinoff and then let another composer write the rest of the score, as if anyone else were unable of writing a main theme for a SW show. I don't know anything about Holt, so I cannot say for sure in her case, but in the case of Solo, I am sure that Powell could have written a comparable or, possibly, a better theme. The musical writing in both themes (Solo and Obi-Wan) is not out of reach of any other competent film composer. My opinion is based purely on musical aspects of the two compositions (melody, harmony, and so on). The originality and mastery displayed in the themes of the 9 main movies, especially those for the original trilogy and the prequels, is of a totally different level. However, I see that many people genuinely enjoy this piece, and I'm happy for them. I have no reason nor desire to attempt to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Darth Mulder said: I'll send to JW a letter. It's my duty as a former fanboy. It's time to end, old man! Tell me Darth... Who's your Master... who's your Daddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 153 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Bespin said: Tell me Darth... Who's your Master... who's your Daddy? Hans Zimmer? No, just kidding Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,457 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 Darth Zimma'... He's more Machine than Composer now... But there's still good in him... Jurassic Shark, Darth Mulder and GerateWohl 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Darth Mulder said: I'll send to JW a letter. It's my duty as a former fanboy. It's time to end, old man! Because you think, that he just does what he does for you only. So, as you don't like it anymore, He can stop. You are weird. Jurassic Shark, Darth Mulder and Joni Wiljami 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Score said: Since this thread is about our opinion on the Obi-Wan theme, my opinion is that it is rather unimportant (as a piece of music) and, since I thought the same of the Solo theme He should collect these pieces in an Unimportant Suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,615 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Remco said: JW at 90 years old decides to use 2 weeks of his time to write a Star Wars theme and people at JWfan wish he’d spent his time differently. It’s incredible. THIS You all realise he's freaking 90 right. We're all happy he's working on Indy 5 right now , but we could also visit this site tomorrow and find out he passed away. ObiWan is a perfectly good theme that has it's place in any SW theme compilation. Not Mr. Big, Ricard, Holko and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Steve said: Oh yeah, that's the typical killer argument. You don't like it so everybody who likes it can only be a "fanboy" Why are you always so grumpy? Let people enjoy the music. And by the way, this ist actually called "Williams Fan Network" Last time i checked i didn't give a fuck who likes it but stated my opinion and got the expected #angry #hurt reactions by those who accept every opinion, provided that it coincides with their own. So please let's get that straight first. Jurassic Shark and Bellosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 20 hours ago, publicist said: Why Williams bothers with this is beyond me. It’s a rather undistinguished piece of work and this time he can’t even make it work in a larger context because he’s obviously not scoring the series. Just let it go, man! He should stop practicing the guitar and focus more on composing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, King Mark said: You all realise he's freaking 90 right. We're all happy he's working on Indy 5 right now , but we could also visit this site tomorrow and find out he passed away. See, that's the point. I don't care for Indy V, which will be more of the same for another dead franchise, but remain happy he's done with the Spielberg movie which looks more personal and hope he does more of these concerts in Europe (which seem to be a fountain of youth and joy for him) and maybe a few other things that hopefully are not franchise-related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bayesian 1,348 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 I love Obi-wan’s new theme. And while it took me several listens, I think I now understand why the suite is put together the way it is. The first half of the piece is the “accessible” part, with the haunting theme/melody in poignant horns and ending with a gorgeous “action-y” ostinato. But then it segues into the second half, which Is slower, broader, more elegiac, and requires more effort to follow and integrate into the larger whole. Some folks have mentioned the lack of a B-theme as a detriment, but I see now why this isn’t a problem. In fact, I think what JW has done with the A-theme is (as usual) considerably more sophisticated than what any other film composer today could hope to achieve under a similar ambit. During the Ep. III-to-Ep. IV interregnum, Obi-wan needs to go from “top-of-his-game Jedi knight devastated at his supposed failure towards Anakin” to “ascetic recluse despairing at the near-extermination of his kind and forlornly watching over a kid whose guardian wants nothing to do with the Jedi.” There’s nothing happy that happens to him here. It’s perfectly appropriate, then, that JW gives Obi-wan the melancholy theme he does. But it’s fucking genius that he gives that theme a workout that goes into a brief state of driven purpose (the ostinato, likely representing his soon-to-seen showdown with Vader) only to lapse back into an even deeper and more complicated melancholy tinged with the slightest shade of hope. After all, that’s where we pick up on old Ben in ‘77 SW. This new theme isn’t JW on the decline. This is him continuing to ride the peak of his storytelling ability, undimmed in the least, with full and sensitive recall of the trajectory of a character he hadn’t had to think about since Bush was president. No B-theme was written because none was needed to convey what needed to be conveyed. Good lord, what are we music-lovers going to do when we finally lose this man? Holko, Ricard, Jay and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,321 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 after a few listens, it's alright. i mean it's never bad with JW. will it be something I revisit a lot? nope. but i will toss it on any and all Star Wars playlists that may require it. i like doing that stuff. also, i don't care for anything Star Wars outside of 1-6 these days, and don't watch any of these new shows, so maybe that also influences my opinion. MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,939 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 When I first tried to hum it I ended up with The Lost World theme. 🤣 Karol Docteur Qui, Andy, Bespin and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Shark said, it's derived from the Force Theme. I said, to me it sounds like derived from the Battle of Heroes. Probably we are both right. It starts off from a melancholy melody that sounds like the ruins of the Battle of Heroes and then sounds like it moves up and tries to leap into the Force Theme and then falls back again. Not sure if that is a valid interpretation. But it makes sense to me and at least I can hear it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,939 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Isn't BOTH a tragic battle between Force and Vader themes anyway? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 This far down in Williams' compositional history with Star Wars, its inevitable (and very much desireable) that we should hear a lot of previous themes resonate in anything new that Williams writes. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 It's a perfect piece. I would have loved to have heard this performed by the Vienna Philharmonic. It's also a bit sad and sounds like a farewell theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 If i listen the theme orchestral version i spent the next hour humming the main melody nonstop…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,000 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, crocodile said: When I first tried to hum it I ended up with The Lost World theme. 🤣 Karol Me too!! On 28/05/2022 at 1:24 PM, Andy said: I love it. It’s probably just me, but after humming it for a while, it somehow morphs into the theme for The Lost World in my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eitam 362 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 I'm particularly fond of the 3 notes build-up at the end of the theme (especially the string-heavy arrangement at 3:30 in the single). It's so simple and effective, both tragic and hopeful. It reminds me musically and spiritually of the last phrase of Rey's Theme, which in a way makes sense given that Obi-Wan and Rey are pretty much in the same situation when we meet them: alone in the desert, eating instant meal while watching the sun... MikeH, Docteur Qui, Bespin and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 @eitam I’ve had that phrase stuck in my head all weekend and made the connection too. It’s great! eitam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,854 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 I have to say, I actually got this theme stuck in my head a lot quicker than the Solo theme. The Galaxy's Edge theme I actually always have a hard time remembering at all. I'd say out of the three, that one is the weakest, at least for me. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,043 Posted May 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2022 I’m a bit confused by the perspective that Williams taking two weeks to put this theme and suite together takes away from something If he didn’t decide to do this, you would be getting nothing in its place, not something different Remco, Taikomochi, Docteur Qui and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2022 2 hours ago, DarthDementous said: I’m a bit confused by the perspective that Williams taking two weeks to put this theme and suite together takes away from something If he didn’t decide to do this, you would be getting nothing in its place, not something different Agreed, and it's a perspective that also disregards the fact that JW is the best at what he does because he's able to write staggeringly high quality music in a short amount of time. You don't get into film scoring if you're a slow writer, or you'd never get a gig. He famously completed Empire Strikes Back in less than two months if memory serves (others here will be able to correct that); and that was over 100 minutes of directly scored music (i.e. synced to the action of the film), as opposed to a four-minute theme and variation like we get here. Williams could write these kinds of suites in a day if he had to, but knowing that it was two weeks means that he probably gave it more thought than the majority of our favourite movie themes. I think this speaks to a broader issue of the perception of value of a skill relative to time. The more I study Williams and his scores the more I realise that so much of my favourite music of his is a happy accident, more a result of his creative problem-solving than some kind of tortured and inspired writing process. Take Prisoner of Azkaban for example, which is a revelation to me. If you listen to the score now you'd be forgiven for thinking that his "Window to the Past" theme was one of the first ideas he came up with. But following the trail of breadcrumbs it's more likely that it was a last-minute addition that was retroactively applied to the rest of the score; the vast majority of scenes it appears in had very different music initially, including the infamous "Remembering Mother" cue. It's likely he had already recorded a lot of the music before writing that theme and incorporating it into the fabric of the score. A similar thing can be inferred from The Force Awakens; there's compelling evidence implying he wrote "Rey's Theme" (as we know it) well into the scoring process. This knowledge does nothing to devalue the music as it ultimately appears, and if anything just makes me admire him even more. Not Mr. Big, crumbs, Bayesian and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 34 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: Agreed, and it's a perspective that also disregards the fact that JW is the best at what he does because he's able to write staggeringly high quality music in a short amount of time. You don't get into film scoring if you're a slow writer, or you'd never get a gig. He famously completed Empire Strikes Back in less than two months if memory serves (others here will be able to correct that); and that was over 100 minutes of directly scored music (i.e. synced to the action of the film), as opposed to a four-minute theme and variation like we get here. Williams could write these kinds of suites in a day if he had to, but knowing that it was two weeks means that he probably gave it more thought than the majority of our favourite movie themes. I think this speaks to a broader issue of the perception of value of a skill relative to time. The more I study Williams and his scores the more I realise that so much of my favourite music of his is a happy accident, more a result of his creative problem-solving than some kind of tortured and inspired writing process. Take Prisoner of Azkaban for example, which is a revelation to me. If you listen to the score now you'd be forgiven for thinking that his "Window to the Past" theme was one of the first ideas he came up with. But following the trail of breadcrumbs it's more likely that it was a last-minute addition that was retroactively applied to the rest of the score; the vast majority of scenes it appears in had very different music initially, including the infamous "Remembering Mother" cue. It's likely he had already recorded a lot of the music before writing that theme and incorporating it into the fabric of the score. A similar thing can be inferred from The Force Awakens; there's compelling evidence implying he wrote "Rey's Theme" (as we know it) well into the scoring process. This knowledge does nothing to devalue the music as it ultimately appears, and if anything just makes me admire him even more. Wasn't the Schindler's List theme even written that way? (only for the last scene) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I wasn't aware of that, but I don't know much about that score. I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of his best themes were written late in the process, I only mentioned the ones I have evidence for to back up my claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted May 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2022 I love the Galaxy's Edge theme. Docteur Qui, Edmilson and Bofur01 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted May 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2022 I should start by saying that on Last Fm, I have more plays on the theme than anyone else in the world and it's only been 2 days. Obi-Wan is my favorite character in all of fiction so I've been waiting for him to get a proper theme for years. When I heard John was gonna do it, I nearly teared up. My expectations were high. I'm the kind of girl who vibes with music rather easily, but this was something else. I first heard it from a leaked video of the live performance from Celebration. But hearing the official recording, my heart flew a thousand miles per hour after listening to it. With film music, this has only happened to me 3 times; The first two being when I heard Rey's Theme and The Adventures of Han for the first time. Everything about Obi-Wan's Theme just clicks for me and I haven't gotten tired of it at all despite the obscene amount of times I've heard it already. I learned on Friday that John Williams said he intends to retire from film scoring after he finishes The Fabelmans and Indiana Jones. If he follows through, this theme is his official good bye to the franchise. And it's one hell of a good bye at that. My favorite piece of Star Wars TV music by far. 4 hours ago, DarthDementous said: I’m a bit confused by the perspective that Williams taking two weeks to put this theme and suite together takes away from something If he didn’t decide to do this, you would be getting nothing in its place, not something different Fr. I don't see any problem with him writing this quickly. It's not like he's scoring the entire show. Plus he just started working on The Fabelmans and is STILL working on Indiana Jones. We're lucky he made this at all. Bayesian, DarthDementous, Not Mr. Big and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2022 On 28/05/2022 at 5:38 AM, Darth Mulder said: I was expecting something "bigger" and melodic. John Williams came up with a proposal to compose theme. I thought he had an idea for that. No, did not have... besides, whole theme is poorly structured. I am disappointed. It's time for JW to end. artguy360, Courtney Sees Ghosts, Edmilson and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,615 Posted May 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2022 It has a sweeping melodic string passage starting at .40, then a cool secondary motif in the middle , then a beautiful horn section at 2.50 and then a kick ass epic full brass finale. What more do you want in 4 minutes Remco, Bayesian, Edmilson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Another thought, which probably I take for granted at Williams music but which is not self-evident at all. As often he wrote a theme that is completely recognizable apart from the harmonic accompaniment. I don't really know any other living film composer who still does that. That is unfortunately a musical quality that is getting lost (or is lost already). If only for that I am happy to have another piece of film music with that quality. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 It has become a very dear friend on a daily basis. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Drew said: I love the Galaxy's Edge theme. There's a theme in that? GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: There's a theme in that? That is, what I wondered myself. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,619 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 4 hours ago, King Mark said: It has a sweeping melodic string passage starting at .40, then a cool secondary motif in the middle , then a beautiful horn section at 2.50 and then a kick ass epic full brass finale. What more do you want in 4 minutes On the face of it, yes, true. But it depends on whether the theme resonates to you individually. I largely agree on the analyses of the structure and how it relates to Obi-Wan's journey, but the theme.... it's okay. I can hum the first bit, and like how it relates to the 'main' theme, but it's somehow not quite clicking for me as a classic JW long-lined melody, at least not yet. (bear in mind, I haven't seen the show, so I'm lacking any context). The bit from 1:20 is a bit more interesting to me, but it feels oddly somewhere between a hero/villain theme. I'll like it more as I listen more, but I just think it doesn't quite have that instant 'click' quality in some regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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