ConorPower 147 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I watched How to Steal A Million for the first time the other day and was struck by JW quoting "La Marseillaise". It reminded me of Steiner and Casablanca. I wonder if it's a direct homage, or just that they both did the same thing for similar reasons. But it had me wondering... How often does JW directly quote other pieces in both his film and concert works? Not just homaging/imitating/playing in a style of Romantic or old Hollywood composer, but specifically recalling a different tune; and not him quoting himself, like Yoda's theme in E.T., or Jaws in 1941; or something that really sounds like something else, but wouldn't be an intended citation (like Siegfried in Kenobi or 'Twelve Days of Christmas' in Sugarland Express). I can think of a few obvious ones, but don't know if there are more. La Marseillaise - How to Steal a Million Campton Races - The Reivers When You Wish Upon A Star - Close Encounters Der Rosenkavalier - A.I. Tis The Gift to Be Simple - 'Air and Simple Gifts' and there are those folk tunes in Lincoln, but I'm unsure of how involved he was with them? Edit [other suggestions]: Jealousy & Rule Britannia & Wedding March & Stars and Stripes Forever - Not With My Wife You Don't We May Never Love Like This Again, Maggie Shoots Pool, The More I See You - The Towering Inferno Spanish Ladies - Jaws Downtown - Jaws 2 Rakes of Mallow & Deep in the Heat of Texas & Hooray for Hollywood & Deutschland Über Alles - 1941 The Stars and Stripes Forever - Pops on the March The British Grenadiers - Empire of the Sun New York, New York (from On the Town) & America (from West Side Story) & Happy Birthday To You (from your last birthday) - For New York (Variations on Themes of Leonard Bernstein) Garryowen & When Smoke Gets in Your Eyes - Always Take Me Out to the Ball Game - Hook Carol of the Bells & We Wish You a Merry Christmas - Home Alone 1 We Wish You A Merry Christmas - Home Alone 2 La Vie En Rose - Sabrina Buglar's Dream - Olympic Fanfare Wedding March - The Terminal Academic Festival Overture - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Je Veux Vivre - The Adventures of Tintin Happy Birthday to You - Happy Birthday Variations Brazil - SW The Last Jedi Hooray for Hollywood - Centennial Overture (for the Hollywood Bowl) BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,283 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 "Not with My Wife, You Don't" is full of musical quotes, but I don't have a list at hand. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt S. 492 Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 As I recall, “Hooray for Hollywood” is quoted in 1941’s The Battle for Hollywood. Also doesn’t he quote the “Spanish Ladies” tune that Quint sings in Jaws? ConorPower, Naïve Old Fart and BrotherSound 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,450 Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 Rakes Of Mallow, and Deep In The Heart Of Texas, in 1941, The Ark theme, in CRYSTAL SKULL, The Basket Game, in TEMPLE OF DOOM, JW himself whistling The Dance Of The Witches, in THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK, Chopin, in EMPIRE OF THE SUN, We May Never Love Like This Again, in THE TOWERING INFERNO. ConorPower, BrotherSound and JTN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Rakes Of Mallow I still can't help thinking of that tune as the theme from The Quiet Man though . I have to think Spielberg wanted that tune used specifically as a nod to The Quiet Man, given that we know it's one of his favorite movies (and of course later used in ET). Not sure if I've ever seen him confirm that though. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post looohhk 27 Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 I remember there being a little fun quote of Brahms' Academic Festival Overture in A Whirl Through Academe from KotCS (Indy 4) BB-8, Jurassic Shark and ConorPower 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ConorPower said: "I can think" It seems I quoted you. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 147 Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: "Not with My Wife, You Don't" is full of musical quotes, but I don't have a list at hand. Interesting! I'm not too familiar with some of those 60s comedies, I'll have to check it out! 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Rakes Of Mallow, and Deep In The Heart Of Texas, in 1941 I knew I recognised Mallow in 1941, couldn't place it at the time! (Verry embarrassing, as an Irish person). Can't say I recall/know The Towering Inferno example though? 56 minutes ago, luKe17879 said: I remember there being a little fun quote of Brahms' Academic Festival Overture in A Whirl Through Academe from KotCS (Indy 4) Ah good one! I'd forgotten about that. There seems to be a fair few. Much more than I thought; but unsurprising given the sheer amount of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 We also have to mention "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes," the classic Jerome Kern ballad, used in Always, especially in that jaw-droppingly gorgeous arrangement found in the alternate end credits on the LLL set. ConorPower and BrotherSound 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,283 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, ConorPower said: Interesting! I'm not too familiar with some of those 60s comedies, I'll have to check it out! If you like you can check out the whole movie on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkttnTw3JJY ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Brazil in the Last Jedi? ConorPower and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,235 Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 The reprise of "Je veux vivre" at the start of "The Pursuit of the Falcon" in Tintin ConorPower, ymenard, BrotherSound and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 La vie en rose in Sabrina and the full Party Sequence too ConorPower and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,450 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, ConorPower said: Can't say I recall/know The Towering Inferno example though? It comes as Robert Wagner says his goodbyes to Susan Flannery, and goes off to die a fiery death. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,402 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 British Grenadiers in Empire of the Sun! ConorPower and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,613 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Matt S. said: As I recall, “Hooray for Hollywood” is quoted in 1941’s The Battle for Hollywood. And the recent Overture. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Stu said: We also have to mention "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes," the classic Jerome Kern ballad, used in Always, especially in that jaw-droppingly gorgeous arrangement found in the alternate end credits on the LLL set. And he also quotes Garryowen in that score ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 If Williams had scored Ready Player One, I wonder if he'd have quoted a lot of things or have stayed away from that overall. I image he'd have quoted Back to the Future at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,450 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Suo Gân in EMPIRE OF THE SUN. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Nope, Williams didn't write that arrangement nor conduct that recording Naïve Old Fart and ConorPower 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, MrJosh said: If Williams had scored Ready Player One, I wonder if he'd have quoted a lot of things or have stayed away from that overall. I image he'd have quoted Back to the Future at least. I was kinda surprised how little Silvestri himself quoted BTTF. I don't remember him doing any big statement of the main theme or anything, just a couple Easter Egg references to underscore. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 147 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 hours ago, GerateWohl said: If you like you can check out the whole movie on YouTube Brilliant! Watched it last night! It really isn't very good; felt like a slog to get through I caught 'Rule Britannia' and the 'Wedding March', but there were definitely some famous marching tunes that I just didn't know the names of. I also found a bunch of the other comedies on YouTube, so thanks so much for pointing that out to me! 14 hours ago, mrbellamy said: "Je veux vivre" at the start of "The Pursuit of the Falcon" in Tintin Good one! Can't believe I forgot that. 17 hours ago, Stu said: We also have to mention "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes," the classic Jerome Kern ballad, used in Always, 12 hours ago, Jay said: And he also quotes Garryowen in that score I have to get into Always. One of the few Spielberg films that I've only seen the once. Don't listen to the OST must either. Thanks for these. I'll edit my first comment to compile all these together! GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,450 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Take Me Out To The Ball Game, in HOOK. The Throne Room, in The Fleet Enters Hyperspace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 147 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 19 hours ago, ConorPower said: I watched How to Steal A Million for the first time the other day and was struck by JW quoting "La Marseillaise". It reminded me of Steiner and Casablanca. I wonder if it's a direct homage, or just that they both did the same thing for similar reasons. But it had me wondering... How often does JW directly quote other pieces in both his film and concert works? Not just homaging/imitating/playing in a style of Romantic or old Hollywood composer, but specifically recalling a different tune; and not him quoting himself, like Yoda's theme in E.T., or Jaws in 1941; or something that really sounds like something else, but wouldn't be an intended citation (like Siegfried in Kenobi or 'Twelve Days of Christmas' in Sugarland Express). I can think of a few obvious ones, but don't know if there are more. La Marseillaise - How to Steal a Million Campton Races - The Reivers When You Wish Upon A Star - Close Encounters Der Rosenkavalier - A.I. Tis The Gift to Be Simple - 'Air and Simple Gifts' and there are those folk tunes in Lincoln, but I'm unsure of how involved he was with them? Edit [other suggestions] Rule Britannia & Wedding March - Not With My Wife You Don't Rakes of Mallow & Deep in the Heat of Texas & Hooray for Hollywood - 1941 The British Grenadiers - Empire of the Sun Garryowen & When Smoke Gets in Your Eyes - Always La Vie En Rose - Sabrina Academic Festival Overture - IJ Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Je Veux Vivre - The Adventures of Tintin Brazil - SW The Last Jedi Hooray for Hollywood - Centennial Overture (for the Hollywood Bowl) 4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Take Me Out To The Ball Game, in HOOK. Ah I love that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,283 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 58 minutes ago, ConorPower said: I caught 'Rule Britannia' and the 'Wedding March', but there were definitely some famous marching tunes that I just didn't know the names of. And most prominently "Jealousy", the tango tune during the cartoon at the beginning. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 20 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: JW himself whistling The Dance Of The Witches, in THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK, Wait, what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 891 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 For New York. Quote For New York utilizes themes from Bernstein's musicals On the Town and West Side Story ("New York, New York" and "America", respectively), though the climax also contains subtle references to "Happy Birthday to You". A performance of the piece lasts approximately three minutes. And 'We Wish You A Merry Christmas" at the start of the Home Alone end credits and at the start of one of the versions of "Merry Christmas" from Home Alone 2 Buglar's Dream at the start of Olympic Fanfare on the Summon The Heroes CD. Pops on the March Quote Another break strain ensues, this time featuring not only the march theme but bits and pieces of John Philip Sousa’s The Stars Stripes Forever (the piece associated more than any other with Fiedler and the Pops). This evolves into a C major restatement of the first strain — with the piccolo tune from Sousa’s famous march heard as counterpoint but played by the horn section! I'm all out of ideas! - No, I'm not! Here Comes The Bride in The Terminal's "Officer Torre's Wedding". ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Suo Gân in EMPIRE OF THE SUN. pete and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,283 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 "La Vie en Rose" in Sabrina. 17 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: La vie en rose in Sabrina and the full Party Sequence too Sorry. Missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Oif'n Pripetchik by M.M. Warshawsky (1848–1907) - used in Schindler's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Pieter Boelen said: Wait, what now? Wasn't the story that Nicholson's character whistled Devil's Dance in the film and it was performed by JW?😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Take Me Out To The Ball Game, in HOOK. He also used God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen in that score Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 147 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, BB-8 said: Oif'n Pripetchik by M.M. Warshawsky (1848–1907) - used in Schindler's Interesting! I wonder, in these types of instances, if that is a Williams or a Spielberg choice? And in this case, is it Williams setting/arrangement the cue, or a traditional arrangement? BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 A unique arrangement was recorded for the film, and included on the OST album, but then in the film itself Spielberg didn't use it and put it in the recording found on the Billy Bathgate OST album instead. Same deal with "Jerusalem of God" - a unique arrangement of that was also recorded for the film and included on the OST album, but in the film Spielberg used the recording found on the Pour Sacha OST album instead. ConorPower and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2022 50 minutes ago, Jay said: He recorded a unique arrangement at the recording sessions, and put that on the OST album, but in the film itself Spielberg didn't use it and put it in the recording found on the Billy Bathgate OST album instead. Same deal with "Jerusalem of God", he recorded an arrangement at the sessions and put it on the OST album, but in the film Spielberg used the recording found on the Pour Sacha OST album Both OYF'N Pripetshok and Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav as heard on the OST album were recorded by Israeli-based choirs. I don't think neither arrangement is John's own. Btw, John did write an original arrangement for a Hebrew song ("Eli, Eli" aka "A Walk to Caesarea") used in the Israel prints of the film replacing "Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav". ConorPower, BB-8 and SpotTheDog 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,276 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, TownerFan said: Btw, John did write an original arrangement for a Hebrew song ("Eli, Eli" aka "A Walk to Caesarea") used in the Israel prints of the film replacing "Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav". Interesting... is there a video of this? I assume he didn't personally conduct or oversee the recording of this arrangement, or it would've been included on the LLL expansion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, crumbs said: Interesting... is there a video of this? I assume he didn't personally conduct or oversee the recording of this arrangement? It was indeed arranged and recorded by him in LA in March 1993. I think it was actually officially released on an album, but I have to check. crumbs and ConorPower 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,276 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Fascinating! I figured they licensed another recording, just as they did for the songs used in the English version. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,613 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Carol of the Bells in Setting the Trap. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,450 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Deutschland Über Alles, in 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 "Happy Birthday to You" by Mildred J. Hill (1859–1916) und Patty Smith Hill (1868–1946). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 JW directly quotes many other composers in this piece: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,283 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 The Israel national anthem on Munich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Was there any musical reference to Pinocchio in A.I.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 They probably felt like they couldn't do Pinocchio again since they'd done it for CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Sergeant said: Wasn't the story that Nicholson's character whistled Devil's Dance in the film and it was performed by JW?😜 I dunno. I'm hardly any expert on every detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Interesting... is there a video of this? In Israel, that's how Schindler's List always airs, I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: Nope There is this five-note repetitive motif when Pinocchio and Geppetto appear and I was naively assuming some kind of quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmartigan JC 85 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Strauss' Der Rosenkavalier is quoted in AI. On 13/06/2022 at 1:53 PM, Bofur01 said: Brazil in the Last Jedi? Please explain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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