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I'm surprised only 1 person has mentioned Elfman's two Spider-man scores so far.  I'd love complete releases of those too, just didn't crack my top 10

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14 hours ago, Bespin said:

Ah.

 

I would love to have re-recordings of the Original Star Wars Trilogy. The original tapes are baked, so I want new recordings.

 

I want recordings of what they play in the "Movies in Concert" shows, following the exact tempi and clics.

But John Williams never used clicks.

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Non-Williams?

 

Man, I think I'm pretty happy.  I'm having a tough time thinking of stuff.

 

I suppose some television stuff like the Rankin Bass holiday specials by Maury Laws would be cool.

 

I don't have many Bond scores, so I'd be cool with a big box set of those if they dusted them off and completed them.

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7 hours ago, publicist said:

Horner: all the Zorro's, Perfect Storm

Goldsmith: Hollow Man, whatever there is of 'Babe' and 'The Kid' (demos or new recording o sketches)

 

17 completed cues exist for Babe -- since he was composing the film chronologically it's interesting to note where in the story he stopped:

 

1-3r "The Drawing," 7 pages
1-4/2-1 "Lonely Babe," 9 pages
2-2r "What Dogs Do," 2 pages
2-3 "The Plan," 6 pages
3-1 "The Yarn," 4 pages
3-2 "The Sneeze," 3 pages
3-4/4-1 "Destruction," 4 pages
4-3 "Mother and Son," 7 pages
4-5 "Christmas Dinner," 2 pages
4-6 "Ferdie's Gone," 3 pages
5-2 "Mistaken Identity," 3 pages
5-3 "The Boss," 16 pages
6-1 "The Bite," 2 pages
6-2 "The Story of Rex," 11 pages
6-3 "A Tragic Day," 2 pages
7-4 "Pig of Destiny," 1 page
7-5/8-1 "Ferdie's Back," 5 pages

 

http://collections.new.oscars.org/Details/Archive/71303062

 

The Kid is very unusual... TWO DOZEN cues exist, but apparently all but TWO of those were not written to picture, but composed based on the script alone (that is why they are labeled by scene rather than reel/part). This was a very unusual approach for Goldsmith; I think he may have only done it one other time:

 

Scene 1 "Main Title," 7 pages
2-1 "On Pier," 4 pages [Goldsmith sketch]
2-1 "On Pier," 7 pages [full score, orchestrated by Harvey R. Cohen]
3-1 "The Kid and Ross," 6 pages
Scene 15 "Single Malt," 2 pages
Scene 20a "The Kid in the Kitchen," 3 pages
Scene 23 "The Kid Takes Off," 13 pages
Scene 34 "On the Pier," 5 pages
Scene 38h "No Coffee," 1 page
Scene 44-47 "The Airplane Model," 11 pages
Scene 48 "Where's Chester," 8 pages
Scene 50 "The Old Horse," 4 pages
Scene 60 "Not Here," 1 page
Scene 69-72 "The Cat Is Right," 12 pages
Scene 77 "Relations," 5 pages
Scene 79 "The Kid and Amy," 6 pages
Scene 81 "She Believes Us," 5 pages
Scene 85 "No Pity," 2 pages
Scene 87-88 "What Happens Next," 10 pages
Scene 92 "Help Me," 15 pages
Scene 100-103 "Help Me (part 2)," 8 pages
Scene 114 "I'm Sorry," 5 pages
Scene 120 "I Found the Screw," 4 pages
Scene 125 "The Pilot," 10 pages
Scene 136 "Russ and Amy," 4 pages

 

http://collections.new.oscars.org/Details/Archive/71303063

 

A new, *actual premiere* recording of both works would be wonderful...synth demos would be a historical curiosity for me and I want them if possible, but I'd far prefer a new orchestral recording.

 

Have you figured out roughly what (or how much) is missing from the two Zorro scores by Horner?

 

Yavar

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Aladdin (Alan Menken)

Avatar (James Horner)

Defiance (James Newton Howard)

Dinosaur (James Newton Howard)

Doctor Strange 2 (Danny Elfman)

DuckTales TV series (Ron Jones)

Enchanted (Alan Menken)

Eternals (Ramin Djawadi)

Gladiator (Hans Zimmer)

King Kong (James Newton Howard)

Pirates of the Caribbean 1-4 (Hans Zimmer, Klaus Badelt)

The Road to El Dorado (Hans Zimmer, John Powell)

Spider-Man 1-3 (Danny Elfman, Christopher Young)

Van Helsing (Alan Silvestri)

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5 minutes ago, DemonStar said:

Doctor Strange 2 (Danny Elfman)

 

What music did you like in the film that is not on the 85 minute soundtrack album?

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Off the top of my head:

HARRY POTTER 4 (need a complete presentation on my shelf, 5-8 can wait)

Hobbit Complete Recordings

Perfect Storm

Pirates of the Caribbean 3

Angels & Demons

Da Vinci Code

Simpsons Movie

National Treasure

 

 

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Alcatraz - Michael Giacchino, Chris Tilton, Andrea Datzman
Alias Seasons 3-5 - Michael Giacchino, Chris Tilton
Avatar - James Horner
George Of The Jungle - Marc Shaiman
Godzilla - Alexandre Desplat

Gods Of Egypt - Marco Beltrami
Hancock - John Powell
Horton Hears A Who! - John Powell
How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World - John Powell

Inception - Hans Zimmer
Inspector Gadget - John Debney
John Carter - Michael Giacchino
Johnny English - Edward Shearmur

Jurassic Park III - Don Davis
Jurassic World - Michael Giacchino
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom - Michael Giacchino

King Kong - James Newton Howard

Kingsman: The Secret Service - Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
Kingsman: The Golden Circle - Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson

Lady In The Water - James Newton Howard
Largo Winch - Alexandre Desplat

Live Free Or Die Hard - Marco Beltrami

Locked Down - John Powell
Lost (more music) - Michael Giacchino
Mary Poppins Returns - Marc Shaiman

Mission: Impossible III - Michael Giacchino

Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol - Michael Giacchino

Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation - Joe Kraemer

Mouse Hunt - Alan Silvestri
Mr. & Mrs. Smith - John Powell

Murder At 1600 - Christopher Young
Now You See Me - Brian Tyler
Ocean’s Thirteen - David Holmes

Ratatouille - Michael Giacchino

Sahara - Clint Mansell
Skyfall - Thomas Newman

Spider-Man - Danny Elfman

Spider-Man 2 - Danny Elfman

Spider-Man: Homecoming - Michael Giacchino
The Bourne Supremacy - John Powell
The Bourne Ultimatum - John Powell
The Incredibles - Michael Giacchino

Incredibles 2 - Michael Giacchino

The Mask Of Zorro - James Horner
The Legend Of Zorro - James Horner
The Perfect Storm - James Horner
The Scorpion King - John Debney
Tomorrow Never Dies - David Arnold
Tomorrowland - Michael Giacchino
Undercovers - Michael Giacchino, Andrea Datzman

Wallace & Gromit (the short films) - Julian Nott
X-Men: The Last Stand - John Powell

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50 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

What music did you like in the film that is not on the 85 minute soundtrack album?

There's expanded On the Run, one brief flashback scene with America Chavez's theme. But that's just a couple of minutes? There's more in the film of course, might rewatch it to see what else is there. But I'd say, for the most part, the album is satisfying. I really enjoy this score now that I know it more.

 

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53 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

What music did you like in the film that is not on the 85 minute soundtrack album?

A lot of the action cues such as Gargantos, Battle Time, and Illuminati vs Wanda are shortened on the OST.

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Rocky, Rocky II, III, V and Rocky Balboa (Conti)
All the John Barry Bonds, especially Moonraker

The Dark Crystal (Jones)

Brainstorm (Horner)

Blue Thunder (Rubinstein)

The Company of Wolves (Fenton)

Brazil (Kamen)

Highlander (Kamen)

Captain Eo (Horner)

Moonwalker (Broughton)
Licence to Kill (Kamen)

Hudson Hawk (Kamen)
Last Action Hero (Kamen)
The Three Musketeers (Kamen)

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12 minutes ago, Ricard said:

The Dark Crystal (Jones)

I knew I left something out!

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Premiere Releases

Fright Night Part II (Fiedel)

Batman and Robin (Goldenthal)

Troy (Yared)

King Kong [rejected] (Shore) [whatever he recorded/complete recording of whatever he composed]

Excalibur (Jones)

 

Expansions

All Bonds (except the Thomas Newman's which I do not care much for)

Hannibal (Zimmer - complete & without dialogue)

Gladiator (Zimmer)

Brainstorm (Horner)

Sphere (Goldenthal)

Halloween III: Season Of The Witch (Carpenter/Howarth)

The Final Conflict (Goldsmith - and Omen II remastered)

Highlander (Kamen)

Highlander II (Copeland)

The Dark Crystal (Jones)
Arachnophobia (Jones)

Dark City (Jones)

 

Re-recordings

Red Sonja & Hundra (Morricone)

 

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9 hours ago, Jay said:

I'm surprised only 1 person has mentioned Elfman's two Spider-man scores so far.  I'd love complete releases of those too, just didn't crack my top 10

 

I mean, I'd buy them both. I just don't consider them "grails."

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Some scores I'm mostly happy with the bootlegs, but I still wish they get an official expansion so that more people can experience and discuss the awesome unreleased cues that I already know. It's scores like Avatar, The Postman and King Kong (JNH) which I already know in complete form but I wish more people to hear them as well.

 

There's one unreleased cue from Avatar which is only available in the recording sessions bootleg, and it's probably the best action cue Horner wrote during this century, and one of the best of his entire career. I want more people to listen to it as well! (no, it's not on YouTube, and the scene in the movie ain't of much use either, since it was hacked to pieces and replaced with tracked stuff from elsewhere on the final cut).

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The Ewoks Movies expanded

1938 Adventures of Robin Hood expanded and/or re-recording

A Battlestar Galactica Stu Phillips reissue since the Intrada sold out way too fast

From Russia With Love expanded

Star Trek TOS re-recordings

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5 hours ago, Edmilson said:

There's one unreleased cue from Avatar which is only available in the recording sessions bootleg, and it's probably the best action cue Horner wrote during this century, and one of the best of his entire career.

 

There's no such cue on whatever official or unofficial Avatar release. Even the action cues of the Zorro sequel runs circles around that.

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Korngold's swashbuckler scores, original recordings.

Bernard Hermann's Psycho

Max Steiner's Casablanca

 

3 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

1938 Adventures of Robin Hood expanded and/or re-recording

 

You're not satisfied with the Stromberg re-recording?

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3 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

1938 Adventures of Robin Hood expanded and/or re-recording

Isn't the Stromberg re-recording sufficient?

 

17 hours ago, Jay said:

I'm surprised only 1 person has mentioned Elfman's two Spider-man scores so far.  I'd love complete releases of those too, just didn't crack my top 10

I bought Spiderman 2 digitally and realised after some listens that this is a kind of a score that I love to hear during the movie but not isolated at home.

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1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

 

There is already a 2-CD release, of this.

Is that not C&C?

It was just the premixed preedited film stem.

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7 hours ago, publicist said:

 

There's no such cue on whatever official or unofficial Avatar release.

 

Say what you will, but MY personal favorite Horner action cue is from AVATAR. I don't know if it's been officially released or not but it's in the middle of the "War" track on SonicAdventure's deluxe edition.

 

6 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Isn't the Stromberg re-recording sufficient?

 

It certainly is for me.

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8 hours ago, publicist said:

There's no such cue on whatever official or unofficial Avatar release.

I don't know which bootleg from Avatar you downloaded, but that cue definetly exists, and it's "available" on the recording sessions.

 

Sure, the RS may not have the best listening experience (a LOT of alternates and inserts), which is why an official expansion would be great.

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11 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

From Russia With Love expanded

The Orient Express cue can be found on BOND: BACK IN ACTION. It's a rerecording, but, at this time, it's all there is.

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4 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

I don't know which bootleg from Avatar you downloaded, but that cue definetly exists, and it's "available" on the recording sessions.

 

Sure, the RS may not have the best listening experience (a LOT of alternates and inserts), which is why an official expansion would be great.

Anyway, what I learned in one of the recent Threads is, that Horner in his last years left the composition of his action cues to his orchestrators. So, it's probably not composed by him anyway. Might also be a reason why it didn't show up on the album.

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11 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

The Ewoks Movies expanded

1938 Adventures of Robin Hood expanded and/or re-recording

A Battlestar Galactica Stu Phillips reissue since the Intrada sold out way too fast

From Russia With Love expanded

Star Trek TOS re-recordings

Holy crap!  I love everything on this list!  I have all the Galactica, but those should stay in print.

 

I love the TOS re-recordings we have, so some more of those would be most welcome.

 

Ewok Movies... great choice

4 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Ooh! I just thought of another one:

FLASH GORDON, incorporating both Queen's songs, and Howard Blake's score.

 

YESS!!!  I've tried to do my own, but it just doesn't work.  A Queen release without dialogue would be nice, and I'm sure the Howard Blake score could sound better.  Great, great suggestion.

 

Is the movie version of the Main Title a different recording, or just edited?

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13 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

Anyway, what I learned in one of the recent Threads is, that Horner in his last years left the composition of his action cues to his orchestrators. So, it's probably not composed by him anyway. Might also be a reason why it didn't show up on the album.

Well, whoever wrote that cue (which, btw, is 9M5 Quaritch Down) is certainly pretty talented, because it's phenomenal. If it was Franglen, that's even better because it indicates we may have some quality action music for Avatar 2 later this year.

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14 hours ago, GerateWohl said:
16 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

1938 Adventures of Robin Hood expanded and/or re-recording

 

Isn't the Stromberg re-recording sufficient?

 

Well that’s one checked off my list!

 

Ahh it’s so great!!

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I see a lot of good suggestions, however a lot of them already had an expanded release, isolated score or even sessions.

So I'm trying to concentrate on stuff I haven't found even in trading circles:

 

Basil Poledouris - Free Willy (66min.)
Christopher Young - Urban Legend (there are sessions with 31 cues and 77 minutes)

John Debney & Joseph Trapanese - The Greatest Showman

Lee Holdridge - Skyway To Death

Marc Shaiman-Patch Adams (sessions with 27 cues/51min. exist)

Randy Edelman - Daylight (30 cues)

Patrick Doyle - Eragon

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Mine is still Nigel Westlake's score to Babe: Pig In The City!

 

Most of the music that was recorded for this film got left on the cutting room floor when the movie went through some extreme studio-mandated edits right before its release.  Save for a few exceptions, the score was replaced with needle-drop songs and tracks from the first film.  The three short cues that Nigel released on his Shimmering Lights album are absolutely incredible; but the grand majority of this music has been left unreleased and unheard. 

 

Here's what Nigel had to say about it: 

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"The film got recut two weeks before it was due to be released and quite a lot of music was dropped or replaced – they used quite a lot of stuff from Babe. They felt the music was too dark or too violent. The decision was made to cut or replace it and there wasn't time to rerecord anything before it was released. That's normal by Hollywood standards."

(from this interview)

 

This is my one holy grail -- would LOVE to see this score get its long overdue premiere.

 

Used to think this would be an impossible thing to imagine... but seeing so many of peoples' old lists here and at FSM crossed off; and with Varese's definitive (and incredible!) expanded release of the first film's score last year... I'm beginning to hope that it's possible for this to actually happen.

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10 hours ago, Edmilson said:

Well, whoever wrote that cue (which, btw, is 9M5 Quaritch Down) is certainly pretty talented, because it's phenomenal. If it was Franglen, that's even better because it indicates we may have some quality action music for Avatar 2 later this year.

 

I just dug out my copy of the sessions and the cue I loved wasn't 9m5, it was 9m3R War. Great score though.

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Blade Runner

Heat

Terminator 2

Brazil

Demolition Man

About Schmidt

K-PAX

GoldenEye

 

Not really a grail, but a complete release of The Pelican Brief would be great to have. And if Vangelis' estate has the authority to allow expansions, we can add Missing and The Bounty to the list

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I just got pinged for my FSM post about BABEPITC!

 

FYI Jack

 

I did find a copy in the bargain bin.

I then made a two CD combining it with BABE(  rerecorded)😄

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The cue I'm most interested in from Avatar is Thanator Chase. That is one of my favourite action cues from the score and a proper version doesn't seem to be available anywhere yet. The one on the sessions has a weird reverb effect, and the FYC promo version is micro-edited.

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3 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

I just got pinged for my FSM post about BABEPITC!

 

FYI Jack

 

I did find a copy in the bargain bin.

I then made a two CD combining it with BABE(  rerecorded)😄

Bruce that sounds sick as heck BOSS.  Hope you've been enjoying the CD!  I know I do -- "That'll Do" and "Protected By Angels" get me every time (both of which I just discovered were arranged by Ed Shearmur of all people!)

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11 hours ago, Corellian2019 said:

...if Vangelis' estate has the authority to allow expansions, we can add Missing and The Bounty to the list

He'll, yeah! :thumbup:

These are both fine scores.

@Corellian2019, have you heard the rerecording of THE BOUNTY?

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Ooh, and I'll add Prince of Egypt to my list too.

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On 23/06/2022 at 10:56 PM, A. A. Ron said:


I’ve thought about making a cue list myself, but didn’t want to commit to all the work that would entail. I‘m glad you mentioned Chuck vs The Beefcake though. While I had the soundcloud tracks, I didn’t realize Jones had uploaded the cues for this other episode. They’re mine now!

Nice to see some fans of Tim Jones's work on Chuck.  I'd love to see a complete set for the show but I'm thinking this would only happen to promote a reunion move or reboot.  I'd prefer a proper set but even a digital release would suffice.

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