Indy 5 to begin recording Tuesday morning!

[rpvee 1,075]

Not sure if this warrants its own thread, so feel free to combine it with another!

 

During the Kennedy Center pre-concert talk, Williams just revealed that Indy 5 will begin recording this coming Tuesday morning, at 10 AM to be precise.

 

So exciting!

[Max 154]

At the Kennedy Center just now, JW confirmed that he starts recording Indiana Jones 5 this Tuesday, June 28, at 10AM!!

[Andy 7,415]

Did… did he have enough time to write it?  Seems like he just announced he’d begin writing. 

[Tom 6,559]

17 minutes ago, Andy said:

Did… did he have enough time to write it?  Seems like he just announced he’d begin writing. 

No, so he had to bring in Holt to write the action cues.  

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2 minutes ago, Tom said:

No, so he had to bring in Holt to write the action cues.  

 

While Ross adapted all the cues with his new theme.

[Edmilson 12,024]

An entire year before the movie's release date... wow. 

 

I guess the recording sessions will be spread throughout the whole semester, like with the Star Wars sequels, right?

[Rachael Foley 9,821]

Then Holt briught in additional composers to help

[Not Mr. Big 4,949]

 

23 minutes ago, Tom said:

No, so he had to bring in Holt to write the action cues.  

Can't wait to hear the NEW Raiders March!!

[mrbellamy 8,007]

44 minutes ago, Andy said:

Did… did he have enough time to write it?  Seems like he just announced he’d begin writing. 

 

9 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

An entire year before the movie's release date... wow. 

 

I guess the recording sessions will be spread throughout the whole semester, like with the Star Wars sequels, right?

 

Yeah I'm guessing they're doing it like the sequels and they'll have a few sessions this year. Williams said he expects it'll take him into the fall, right? 

[Alex 3,055]

Mangold only started editing in early March so this seems like a very quick turnaround. Maybe he had some scenes already cut to give to JW. Or maybe JW is still writing.

[Brando 2,753]

Its finally happening!

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21 minutes ago, Alex said:

Mangold only started editing in early March so this seems like a very quick turnaround. Maybe he had some scenes already cut to give to JW. Or maybe JW is still writing.

 

Mangold's editor cuts while filming is underway. The film was already assembly within a few days of production ending. Mangold started his director's cut in March, but that's really just refining an existing cut of the film.

 

Williams likely spotted the film after returning from Vienna, so 3 months seems about right for 100 minutes of music. He'll probably keep writing over the next few months while recording every few weeks, like the SW sequels (though I don't see them lasting until November like TROS did).

[BB-8 6,027]

[Jurassic Shark 16,275]

Lorne Balfe auditioning for the Indy 5 composer gig.

[Naïve Old Fart 12,790]

9 hours ago, BB-8 said:

(croaky voice) "I may be over 90, but I can still show these young whippersnappers a thing or two about film scoring".

[Andy 7,415]

I wonder if, given that this may likely be written over months, it may have some one-off pieces like Rise of Skywalker.  The Speeder Chase for example.  Or Anthem of Evil, which isn't really used much in the score of the film, as if one day John just had some time to tinker and liked it enough to record it.  

 

Whatever the case, I really hope the long game of scoring affords him plenty of time to give it the love and attention his final (?) film score deserves.

[Jurassic Shark 16,275]

Will the score contain solos for Mutter and Ma, or that guitar guy's mother? Discuss.

[Tom 6,559]

Noseflute, and nothing but noseflute--it is not part of the traditional orchestra and therefore cool and groundbreaking.  

[Naïve Old Fart 12,790]

Tuesday? Bloody hell, Zimmer had better get a move on!

[Tom 6,559]

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Tuesday? Bloody hell, Zimmer had better get a move on!

No, if he follows his usual schedule, he still has a full day before he needs to start. 

[artguy360 2,175]

Amazing! Every new JW work is a treasure. A new Indy score by JW in the year 2022, simply incredible.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,365]

Been trying to familiarize myself more with the works of Lalo Schifrin here lately. Certainly some parallels to Williams. Started out with a background rooted in being a jazz pianist, worked in TV before mostly switching to larger films, born in 1932. His last big scoring effort, however, was in 2007 with the third Rush Hour movie.

 

And it's easy for me to forget how easily that could have been the case with Williams. Music is so ingrained into his DNA that, indeed, I think it unlikely that he would ever truly step away from the music creation process. Say he'd stepped away from film scores back in 2007. For one thing, he's already cemented himself as one of the greats, with that title being secured even going back a considerable number of years prior. But also think of how much career-defining music he has put out since then. I think of his work on Lincoln, another entire film trilogy of Star Wars films, all of his concert pieces, etc. It all feels a little surreal. Other users, including myself, have waxed poetic on this strain of conversation before, so I realize I'm not making light of anything new. I think more than anything I'm trying to speak to myself trying to rationalize how bizarre it is that we're here on this forum still discussing, debating, and analyzing the continued film scoring efforts of John Williams, and that many think that some of these such efforts are among the best he's ever contributed to the musical form. He wrote Rey's theme at 83. Imagine living a life such that you are able to say that, perhaps, your best work was in your 80s. That's insane.

 

Goldsmith. Bernstein. Hermann. Steiner. Mancini. Morricone. Titans of the industry that we look to as being emblematic of the old guard. Williams met, worked with, or was active alongside all of them at some point in their lives. He's that singular bridge tethering us in the here and now to old Hollywood. And somehow here we are getting ready to see him record a score to another one of the biggest movies ever made. To have a man be so prolific for so long at such a level of quality is a gift. To have a place like these forums for the 3+ generations of fans that have grown up and been inspired by his work is another. We could be in a timeline where Williams closed up shop in 2007 and we're all here in a dark cave driving ourselves mad with what could have been. But we're not. He's scoring another fucking Indiana Jones movie. And I still can't believe it.

[Andy 7,415]

On 24/06/2022 at 10:02 PM, crumbs said:

He'll probably keep writing over the next few months while recording every few weeks, like the SW sequels (though I don't see them lasting until November like TROS did).

 

Can anyone explain why it was done that way for the sequels, and why it's being done similarly for Indy 5?  Is there a practical reason that the recording and writing is stretched out over a longer than usual period of time?  Is this by request of Williams, or is it because Mangold is editing slowly?  Just curious.

[Rachael Foley 9,821]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

 

Can anyone explain why it was done that way for the sequels, and why it's being done similarly for Indy 5?  Is there a practical reason that the recording and writing is stretched out over a longer than usual period of time?  Is this by request of Williams, or is it because Mangold is editing slowly?  Just curious.

Its not really stretched out, its just spaced out instead of all at once (though the flipside is that he might end up scoring things again later, if changes are made)

[Tom 6,559]

I don't think we have confimation that Indy is spaced out.  It might be, but it may just be this summer between concert gigs.

 

SW was another story and it was just VII and IX--JJ is JJ.  

[BrotherSound 2,665]

45 minutes ago, Tom said:

SW was another story and it was just VII and IX--JJ is JJ.  

TLJ was recorded over a pretty long span, too: December 2016–June 2017.

[Tom 6,559]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

TLJ was recorded over a pretty long span, too: December 2016–June 2017.

If my memory serves (and I could be wrong), I thought Williams conducted a suite of the themes in December (what Johnson called the highlight of highlights or such), but the main scoring sessions were later and mostly continuous.  

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4 hours ago, Andy said:

 

Can anyone explain why it was done that way for the sequels, and why it's being done similarly for Indy 5?  Is there a practical reason that the recording and writing is stretched out over a longer than usual period of time?  Is this by request of Williams, or is it because Mangold is editing slowly?  Just curious.

 

I think it was borne out of his planned schedule in 2015. He set aside 2-3 months to score Bridge of Spies around April 2015, which wouldn't have left enough time to write and record TFA by December, given the complexities of Star Wars scores. Their solution was starting TFA much earlier (late 2014) and getting a few sessions underway before Williams had to step away.

 

That didn't go to plan when Williams needed his pacemaker procedure, leaving him bedridden for a month. Doctor's advice was likely avoiding strenuous activity, which is why Ross and Dudamel conducted so much of TFA. Clearly Kennedy/LFL had his recovery front of mind, so staggering the sessions throughout 2015 gave him time to finish the score at his leisure and recover from each session.

 

When TLJ rolled around, retaining this schedule meant he'd be able to conduct every cue (unlike TFA). Also meant the filmmakers could see how music was working in their film relatively early in post. Unlike a compressed recording schedule, JW would be able to handle revisions at his leisure and record them months later, instead of rushing them overnight (in time for the following day's session).

 

But the days of Williams conducting an entire score in 15 days (like ROTS) are long gone, simply because it's too strenuous (pacemaker notwithstanding) and he obviously wants to conduct his own music. From memory the reason he did so few concerts in 2019 was because he wanted to conduct most of the final score and his doctor insisted rest between each session. And obviously Kennedy/LFL/Disney are happy to accommodate him because, well... it's John Williams!

 

Overall the staggered schedule has more benefits to JW and the filmmakers, even if it's more expensive and opens the door for certain filmmakers to change the edit and require rewrites.

 

But JJ constantly changing the film and needing rewrites was probably an unintended side effect of the longer schedule, not the intended reason for it. I'm sure everyone's hoping to avoid a repeat of TROS on Indy 5...

[Holko 11,973]

3 hours ago, Counterparts said:

though the flipside is that he might end up scoring things again later, if changes are made)

Oh no, more JW music!

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1 hour ago, Holko said:

Oh no, more JW music!

 

That we won't get to hear until 2048, when Disney finally release Indiana Jones expansions. 

[Darth Mulder 172]

9 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

 

What all health problems does John Williams have? Must have a medical check-up before every new job? Do the producers want to know what his health status is before he starts a new job? It makes sense to me at his age.

[hornist 1,242]

On 25/06/2022 at 8:28 AM, BB-8 said:

What is the fun of these posts and with this app? I don’t get it, maybe I'm too old and everythink. 

[Brando 2,753]

Just think-in a year from now, we’ll be counting down the minutes to the last Indy movie. What are your thoughts on the OST being released before the premiere or the day of?

[Jay 45,625]

Disney Records put out all the sequel trilogy OST albums the Friday their films opened, no reason to think Indy won't be the same

[Amer 2,707]

Lets hope they do this right this time  even if they dont take Mattesino's support. They will probably go with Shawn Murphy & his entourage redoing the whole thing his way.

[GerateWohl 6,464]

On 27/06/2022 at 5:30 AM, crumbs said:

I'm sure everyone's hoping to avoid a repeat of TROS on Indy 5...

As long as the quality of the movie is the same...

[Naïve Old Fart 12,790]

Where is this going to be recorded?

Who's engineering? Who's mixing?

[Maurizio 6,909]

.

[crumbs 15,927]

Would've been a fun piece of trivia having 5 different recordists handling all 5 films though!

 

Murphy's a fine recordist but I hope this sounds a lot better than his recording for Indy 4. That might be one of my least favourite recordings/mixes, especially the oddly muted brass. It sounds weak, limited, compressed and just... off. As if everyone's playing a few steps beneath the correct register.

 

The mixing isn't great either, very soupy and lacking in clarity. The Raiders March on that OST is easily the weakest of the four scores.

[Remco 697]

Isn’t it more likely this will be closer to the Sequel Trilogy in sound? And hopefully Mangold will prefer a kind of TLJ- like wet mix.

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Something bright and energetic like Temple of Doom would be fantastic! Botnick smashed that out of the park.

[Remco 697]

It absolutely does! Didn't the acoustic in the room change after some renovation? In what year was that?

[Andy 7,415]

Hey!  It's happening... RIGHT NOW!

[Bellosh 4,522]

15 minutes ago, Andy said:

Hey!  It's happening... RIGHT NOW!

 

it's surreal.

 

i remember on the raven forums in 2008 after KOTCS, all the possible Indy 5 talk and how long they should wait.  If you had told me that it would be coming out in 2023, i'd have thought you were an actual interdimensional being from KOTCS.

 

[Andy 7,415]

Think about it.  Players are playing the new Indiana Jones music right this minute. They get to go home to their families and tell them about their day. 

[Bellosh 4,522]

3 hours ago, Andy said:

Think about it.  Players are playing the new Indiana Jones music right this minute. They get to go home to their families and tell them about their day. 

 

"Honey.....why are you humming Short Round's Theme??????"

 

"Ohhhh uhhhh....no reason...."

[bollemanneke 4,312]

I think you guys are more excited about this than the players.

[Bellosh 4,522]

1 minute ago, bollemanneke said:

I think you guys are more excited about this than the players.

 

isn't JW's stuff rather difficult to play? (atleast something i've seen mentioned a few times in youtube comments)

 

but yes.....you may be right.

[Marian Schedenig 11,522]

8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

I think you guys are more excited about this than the players.

 

Some, certainly. But don't underestimate the enthusiasm of some players. Even if they're perhaps not quite the über-fans many of us are, quite a few of them became musicians because they grew up with Williams's earlier works. And unlike us, they now get to *play* this stuff, and be a part of it.

[Brando 2,753]

51 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

"Honey.....why are you humming Short Rounds Theme??????"

 

"Ohhhh uhhhh....no reason...."

Even if you weren't recording a bit of Short Round's Theme, you are never in the wrong for humming it