Popular Post Amer 2,087 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 A remastered set is definitely worth a relook specially if done by Mike Matessino. It must have something good to offer. I hate the new cover. Sorry. I already have the previous bought copy of CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER though still lying unopened. I wonder what's improved here? Here is hoping TLW, ET. CE3K also get reissued. These are evergreen titles LIKE ST:TMP. They deserve to be in print. I think the last reissue AI was rather an interesting one. Glad I got that rare version in time. Josh500, Andy and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Amer said: I hate the new cover. Sorry. The boxset one is colourful, deep, conveys a mood. This one's bare and flat. I get the book cover but I still don't like it much. I can't really imagine any feature this could have that would make me want to rebuy it but it definitely deserves to remain in print - as long as TLW's also coming a couple months later! A. A. Ron and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,649 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 Did we really make it to page 2 of this thread without somebody photoshopping the teeth out of the cover art? Brando, bollemanneke, Andy and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Holy f***. I ordered willow this morning seeing no LLL flyer or email!!!! I hate double dipping with a passion. depending on the upgrade…I suppose ill buy my favorite score again. would have preferred jpIII. Lets hope they expand the trilogy with similar art design by the least…. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GlastoEls 560 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, mstrox said: Did we really make it to page 2 of this thread without somebody photoshopping the teeth out of the cover art? Edmilson, A. A. Ron, Manakin Skywalker and 7 others 3 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 There was one tooth remaining in the original Really sometimes i feel there are so many rerereleases eating up resources that could be spent in unreleased-unexpanded scores…. i know these are fast money for the labels, but why invest money and time slightly improving it, when it could be a straight reissue(as sometimes they do)… I suppose it is not the case but it feels as if the labels search the vaults and they find something and quickly want to release it. And then calmly the do a more thorough research and find the ultimate elements for perfect restoration. GlastoEls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, GlastoEls said: I was going in a... different direction... Tom Guernsey, Edmilson, Giftheck and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,117 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 I hope this makes a shit ton of money for them to keep the business going and pay Matessino what he’s worth. And if it offers me something more, all the better. bollemanneke, Bryant Burnette, Once and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 560 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I was going in a... different direction... Laughed out loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Why do folks say " I hate double dipping!" and then go ahead and double dip? " We do what we're told... Told to do.." bollemanneke and Bayesian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Why do folks say " I hate double dipping!" and then go ahead and double dip? " We do what we're told... Told to do.." Its the fucking ocd. but straight reissues i dont buy for sure. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Sometimes I get the feeling folks double dip just so they don't feel left out. In other words they don't want to be left out of the conversation from folks who did buy it!😙 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 So, no Amistad or Hook, but JP gets to be re-released again after the fabulous 2016 box? But good for those who missed the box, though. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,403 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Edmilson said: But good for those who missed the box, though. But I do believe, like someone else said, JP is borderline a score that should always be available to buy. It's like Ray Winstone's line in The Departed.... "Thats not quite a score that can't be out of print but it's almost a score that can't be out of print." Raiders of the SoundtrArk and ZackR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZackR 95 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 Jurassic Park being re-released wouldn’t preclude any other titles being released. Jurassic Park is a title that should always be in print if possible. I’ve got the 4-Disc LLL set but Jurassic Park is a top 10 score of all time for me so I’ll be ordering this on release day no matter what. Whether there are tweaks or improvements or not, more people having the opportunity to own JP is a good thing in my book! Jim Ware, Bellosh, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 Just now, ZackR said: Whether there are tweaks or improvements or not, more people having the opportunity to own JP is a good thing in my book! But if you buy it you will prevent a person who does not own it to buy it… GlastoEls, JTN, Bespin and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: But if you buy it you will prevent a person who does not own it to buy it… I’ll buy it for my son but store it with my CDs obviously. JTN and Luke Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: But if you buy it you will prevent a person who does not own it to buy it… That's ok; I'll buy it, then sell it to you for three times the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 33 minutes ago, ZackR said: Whether there are tweaks or improvements or not, more people having the opportunity to own JP is a good thing in my book! 34 minutes ago, ZackR said: so I’ll be ordering this on release day no matter what. Well that's immediately only 4999 more people having the opportunity to own it instead of 5000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,385 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Josh500 said: Because seriously, how can you improve on the 2016 release? I can't think of anything! I remember some perfectible fade-in for the start of "Entrance of Mr. Hammond" and a weird sounding opening for "The T-Rex Chase" (as if the higher frequencies were cut). Apart from those little little very minor things, I can't think of any way to improve the 2016 release. I remember Mike talked in a podcast that they transferred the multitracks in 2016, so maybe he used those and created a new mix for this release (leading to a better sound?). The 2016 release came from the original stereo mixes if I remember correctly. 3 hours ago, rough cut said: If this is some minor bullshit upgrade, like a slightly different take on a track, or that some tracks were mastered from a better source, I’d say it borders on disrespectful to the fans who bought the box set. It’s not catering to a market - it’s abusing a loyal fan base. If Mike notices things that could be improved or even fixed, I'd rather seeing him doing a new, even more perfect master than re-releasing his older one just to not be "disrespectful to the fans who bought the box set". ThePenitentMan1 and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 If this new release feature a new mix made from the multitracks, LLL have to mention it in its sale speech. It's not a general public release, it's a Limited Edition, a specialized product for connoisseurs. They can get technical with us... unless maybe they don't know well their customers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 This could be an option for the new cover, right? It has T-Rex in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 I wonder why @Jay has yet to respond to this news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: I wonder why @Jay has yet to respond to this news... Only explanation is he's on holiday. So...lets talk politics!😜 Chewy, mahler3, Edmilson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 49 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: So...lets talk politics!😜 Matessino for president? (I'm kidding, if that wasn't clear) JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,424 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Matessino for president? (I'm kidding, if that wasn't clear) I don't want Matessino to focus his attention on education, healthcare, wars, economy, etc. I want him fully focused on expanding every single score John Williams has written/will write. However, I do think Hans Zimmer could be a fine president. He certainly spends a lot of his free time complaining posting about politics on his Facebook page. Also, he'll surely let his RC team do all the work for him anyway. JTN, Holko, Bayesian and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,630 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 7 hours ago, rough cut said: If this is some minor bullshit upgrade, like a slightly different take on a track, or that some tracks were mastered from a better source, I’d say it borders on being disrespectful to the fans who bought the box set. It’s not catering to a market - it’s abusing a loyal fan base. I kind of agree with that. I'm a bit pissed off the "ultimate" box set we bought 5 years ago is already surpassed by a better version. The fact they say "improved" might be annoying enough to buy it again even If I don't feel like it .Superman might have been warranted but they had the material to make JP the final version 5 years ago. what's next , each Harry Potter scores released individually with music they didn't include in the box set? Also it "wastes" one of the anticipated Williams releases this year. Patriot? no...just an "improved" JP I feel forced to buy because of collector OCD Also, with all this we still don't have proper releases of the Star Wars and Indiana Jones scores, making things extra frustrating Bespin, Edmilson, JTN and 5 others 3 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,860 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 The Legacy of John Williams social media posts did mention more details coming soon, so perhaps we’ll find out. This will go on sale Tuesday correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 41 minutes ago, King Mark said: what's next , each Harry Potter scores released individually with music they didn't include in the box set? Yes please! Especially for Azkaban, if they ever find the lost analogue masters and all those missing alternates. 41 minutes ago, King Mark said: Also it "wastes" one of the anticipated Williams releases this year. Patriot? no...just an "improved" JP I feel forced to buy because of collector OCD How is this taking the slot of an unexpanded JW release? The AI reissue didn't stop LLL from doing Fiddler and Always in the same year. Also gives an opportunity to anyone who missed the OOP box set to get their hands on a copy. Chewy, Once, Brando and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Matessino for president? Reported. mahler3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demondm810 399 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 You know it’s a spoiled group when so many have gone from pining for a title for decades to “THIS SHIT AGAIN??” What should the labels do, never release a title until the ultimate mega definite best no chance it can be better first gen elements are available? regulars on a JW forum, complaining when a JW release is either 1) improved when available or 2) reissued for others to enjoy that missed out the first time. Wild. ::shrug:: QuartalHarmony, Brando, crumbs and 9 others 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 11 hours ago, Josh500 said: But I don't see why the soundtrack has to reference the Crichton novel at all, which by the way hardly anybody has read.... If that was indeed the thought behind it. Ha ha. I read it the week it came out! It was great. Agreed though that the link between the soundtrack and book is pretty tenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,649 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 11 hours ago, Josh500 said: But I don't see why the soundtrack has to reference the Crichton novel at all, which by the way hardly anybody has read.... ????????? Brando, Muad'Dib, Fabulin and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, mstrox said: ????????? It has sold many copies due to the success of the movie, yes. But trust me, hardly anybody has read it. Relatively speaking. Maybe 30% of the copies sold have been read from cover to cover. If that. And that number is even lower for TLW, the novel. 23 minutes ago, lairdo said: Agreed though that the link between the soundtrack and book is pretty tenuous. I don't buy that at all. But whatever. The cover is not the issue, anyway. The real question is what the changes are, when it comes to the music. I'm waiting for LLL to release additional info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 11 hours ago, Bellosh said: Yes!!!!! As someone who missed the JP Collection this is amazing news. I'm not a huge fan or listener of The Lost World so I'm glad to be able to buy JP by itself! Although if they do this treatment to TLW, I'll pick it up as well. Life LLL finds a way.. I am in this exact boat, and I will almost certainly buy this. And I agree about classics being perpetually in print—so somebody reissue Heidi already! Actually, I think the entire JW catalog should be perpetually in print… Andy and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, igger6 said: I am in this exact boat, and I will almost certainly buy this. And I agree about classics being perpetually in print—so somebody reissue Heidi already! For those who missed the 2016 release, this is certainly good news. But the question is, what miniscule changes will they offer us in this new package. This is starting to look like a cheap gimmick. Anybody who got the 2016 release now have to decide whether to get this new edition because of a new remaster or 10 seconds of "never before released orchestral fade-in"... Or something like that. But with all that said, my opinion about the music doesn't change a bit. I still love this classic soundtrack, which is vintage John Williams! 10 hours ago, Amer said: I think the last reissue AI was rather an interesting one. Glad I got that rare version in time. Wait. Was there any difference between the 20th Anniversary Edition of the expanded A.I. and the regular expanded A.I.? I thought it was the exact same content... crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 I don't think this release is aimed at folks who bought the JP COLLECTION, I.e it doesn't contain anything new. Wish this was one CD. The score fits. 😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,087 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: For those who missed the 2016 release, this is certainly good news. But the question is, what miniscule changes will they offer us in this new package. This is starting to look like a cheap gimmick. Anybody who got the 2016 release now have to decide whether to get this new edition because of a new remaster or 10 seconds of "never before released orchestral fade-in"... Or something like that. But with all that said, my opinion about the music doesn't change a bit. I still love this classic soundtrack, which is vintage John Williams! Wait. Was there any difference between the 20th Anniversary Edition of the expanded A.I. and the regular expanded A.I.? I thought it was the exact same content... The official 20th Anniversary issue is the same program as the previous set. It's just that they used the wrong master for disc 1&3 which has alternate versions and a few cues which aren't on the actual Program. They had to repress and delete that stock when they realised the error. But by that time many copies had shipped out. You will have to dig up the AI threads to get the full details. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 654 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 12 hours ago, rough cut said: If this is some minor bullshit upgrade, like a slightly different take on a track, or that some tracks were mastered from a better source, I’d say it borders on being disrespectful to the fans who bought the box set. It’s not catering to a market - it’s abusing a loyal fan base. I bought that set and don't feel even vaguely disrespected. Also, I'm under no obligation to buy this new version. I might, though, just for the hell of it. Chewy, 12-Mile Reef and Giftheck 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Selfishly, it's tough when a new release of an older score you already own is improved just barely enough to possibly justify the purchase. Either you skip it and miss out on stuff you kinda want, or you spend the money for a product that's mostly redundant. But... If there's demand for an OOP title and there's an opportunity for a label to modestly improve it for a new release, I think it's absolutely the right choice for them to do so. I like the music being available for those who want to buy it, and it might as well be in the best form it can be. Anyway, once we learn specifics with the new JP set, I highly doubt I'll be able to justify the purchase. The JP/TLW box set is fantastic and I frankly don't see myself ever needing another release of either score. But again, I'm happy for those who missed the box set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Yes please! Especially for Azkaban, if they ever find the lost analogue masters and all those missing alternates. This is exactly my thought. I’d pay for Azkaban in a heartbeat if they were able to to locate all of the masters and alternates. LLL did they best they could with what they had and I’m very grateful for that - the missing music was very much out of their hands. If developments happen in the meantime, great news! Curious to know what the new and improved JP will be. I’m more than happy with the last release so I won’t be buying it, but if this means people who missed out on that will get their hands on it, good for them. Once, Holko, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 It would be nice to have a voucher or coupon from the labels if you bought the old release or something. Also, if they dont use the best material for mastering the cd, they shouldnt try so announce it as great sounding, pristine quality, never sounded better, etc…. So we know there might an upgrade in the future. 6 hours ago, Edmilson said: I don't want Matessino to focus his attention on education, healthcare, wars, economy, etc. I want him fully focused on expanding every single score John Williams has written/will write…. …twice. im sure the future release of the lost world will have corporate helicopters separate from fire at camp as it should be…. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 WWSS? ( What would Shark say?) Probably nothing. His only interest in film music is to bash Zimmer. 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,349 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, King Mark said: I kind of agree with that. I'm a bit pissed off the "ultimate" box set we bought 5 years ago is already surpassed by a better version. The fact they say "improved" might be annoying enough to buy it again even If I don't feel like it .Superman might have been warranted but they had the material to make JP the final version 5 years ago. It might be the case that LLL is contractually obliged to change something in the program and not to sell it again one to one same. I remember that discussion around a possible re-release of Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Didn't the box contain a sizable booklet? So, it is a unique collection. Right? JTN and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mahler3 478 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 Sometimes I think there’s a collective misunderstanding that soundtrack labels are a business. The reissues are positive in multiple ways, namely a revenue stream which helps fund the likes of Scarface, Fiddler on the Roof or Willow which wouldn’t have seen the light of day without significant investment. Once, Andy, blondheim and 6 others 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Fiddler and willow will have perfect reissues in a few years for sure… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Strange that Universal entertained this in a big JP release year with Dominion still in theatres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,349 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Jurassic Park was already in the Box with TLW the perfect edition. I am not sure, but for TLW it might be an interesting extension to have the film edits in addition which contained much more of the main theme, even if it weren't additional recordings. But on the other hand, maybe not. The TLW edition is quite perfect, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Film studios are a strange bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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