Jurassic Park 2-CD (La-La Land) - 5th Of July 2022

[Jay 39,156]

For the 2016 box set, the AFM provided a combined list of musicians that played in either score that went into the booklet. (since they were only 4 years apart, many players were the same anyway) 

 

For this reissue, they provided a list that was supposed to be just the ones that played on JP. Maybe someone at the AFM made a mistake and left the TLW guitar player listed, I dunno. (there's guitar in TLW for Reading The Map) 

 

Whatever they provide goes into the release as-is. 

[QuartalHarmony 645]

23 hours ago, Jay said:

Maybe someone at the AFM made a mistake and left the TLW guitar player listed, I dunno. (there's guitar in TLW for Reading The Map)

A very convincing theory, Jay. I suggest we go with that.

[Dr. Rick 1,193]

I placed my order for this since it didn't find its way under my Christmas tree  

 

Hopefully this means there's a JW release from LLL next month! 

[SpotTheDog 39]

I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere before, but I can't find it:

 

Are "Theme From Jurassic Park" and "End Credits" on the original album unique performances, or just unique edits?

[Jay 39,156]

"Theme From Jurassic Park" is a unique opening and ending recorded just for the album, with a film cue ("The Dinosaurs") in the middle. "The Dinosaurs" is also in the middle of "Journey To The Island" on both disc 1 and disc 2 - exactly same performance of the exact same music in all 3 spots.

 

"End Credits" is the second half of the end credits suite. Identical performance to the second half of "Welcome To Jurassic Park", the album track that contains the entire end credits suite.

 

So yes, Williams put "The Dinosaurs" on the OST album twice, and he put the second half of the end credits on the OST album twice.

[Bellosh 3,839]

Does anyone else think 'Hungry Raptor' sounds incredibly different than every other cue on this score. It sounds like an alternate. Every time it comes on I feel like I'm listening to a different score.

[Jay 39,156]

Yes! When I first heard it (in the end credits of the documentary), I thought it was some other composer riffing on Johny's carnivore theme. It was shocking to find out it was part of the score that just didn't make the final film or album 

[Tom Guernsey 2,609]

21 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

Does anyone else think 'Hungry Raptor' sounds incredibly different than every other cue on this score. It sounds like an alternate. Every time it comes I feel like I'm listening to a different score.

Agreed, especially the way it opens and the driving rhythmic take which just kinda barrels along with bits of the raptor/monster motif over the top. I remember hearing it with the original expanded version (pre-LLL) and being quite startled. Kinda not that surprising it wasn't used, although it feels a bit like it was written to be tracked in as required, rather than for a specific scene, although I assume it's meant to be for the kitchen sequence.

[Jay 39,156]

No, it's for Laura Dern being chased after she turns the power back on. 

 

The whole LLL album is in chronological order. 

 

The second half of the cue is used in the film, for the "clever girl" scene where the raptors kill Muldoon.

 

But that part of the cue wasn't used in the documentary end credits, so we didn't know it was the same cue until we saw the sheet music

[Luke Skywalker 1,932]

I wonder if it had been on the film all along it would sound so different or not. Jurassic park gate has some lost worldy percussion and it does feel a natural part of the score anyway…

[blondheim 1,160]

I like to think of it as the Stalling-esque variation that takes the “video presentation” sound to its horrific extreme.

[Richard Penna 4,089]

16 hours ago, Bellosh said:

Does anyone else think 'Hungry Raptor' sounds incredibly different than every other cue on this score. It sounds like an alternate. Every time it comes on I feel like I'm listening to a different score.

 

It does and It's easily my least favourite cue in the score. It's so hyper and uses the raptor motif in a far less spooky and dangerous way - it's a very strange cue taken with the rest of the score.

 

There are times when a cue goes unused for a reason.

[Naïve Old Fart 10,297]

17 hours ago, Bellosh said:

...'Hungry Raptor'...

"Hungry Raptor"?

They're always bleedin' hungry!

Have you ever offered a raptor any meat, only for it to say: "Nah, you're

 alright, mate, I'm full"?

[Pat_S 72]

2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Have you ever offered a raptor any meat, only for it to say: "Nah, you're

 alright, mate, I'm full"?

Can't say I've ever had the chance to, no

[Bellosh 3,839]

10 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

"Hungry Raptor"?

They're always bleedin' hungry!

Have you ever offered a raptor any meat, only for it to say: "Nah, you're

 alright, mate, I'm full"?

 

I'm not getting the reference 😂

[A. A. Ron 1,892]

“Hungry Raptor” is one of my most played tracks from any Jurassic score, behind only “The Hunt” and “Rescuing Sarah.”

[Datameister 2,241]

It's a weird one. Most of the unused music in the first film is like, "Yeah, that would have been unnecessary." But the unused parts of this cue would have straight-up ruined the scene with their zaniness. The tracked music in the final cut works infinitely better. Much scarier.

 

That being said, I enjoy the cue on its own—particularly when the carnivore theme comes crashing back in at the end.

[Jay 39,156]

Yea, that part is awesome

[The Great Gonzales 6,201]

I like the piano bit of the Dies irae like motif.

[CuriousMan 17]

 

On 29/4/2023 at 6:57 PM, Bellosh said:

Does anyone else think 'Hungry Raptor' sounds incredibly different than every other cue on this score. It sounds like an alternate. Every time it comes on I feel like I'm listening to a different score.

No, I don't think it's an alternate. I'm convinced it's the only existing version. Maybe there's an unexplained arrangement detail?

[BrotherSound 2,289]

10 minutes ago, CuriousMan said:

No, I don't think it's an alternate. I'm convinced it's the only existing version. Maybe there's an unexplained arrangement detail?

There’s certainly nothing in JW’s sketch to indicate it’s an alternate:

 

[ThePenitentMan1 1,007]

22 hours ago, CuriousMan said:

 

No, I don't think it's an alternate. I'm convinced it's the only existing version. Maybe there's an unexplained arrangement detail?

 

I think all Bellosh meant was that the cue doesn't sound like it fits in with the rest of the score.

[Tom Guernsey 2,609]

1 hour ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:

 

I think all Bellosh meant was that the cue doesn't sound like it fits in with the rest of the score.

I think that’s what was meant too and I’d have to agree. It’s fun, but quite a left field take on the material compared to the rest of the action music (especially at the start of the cue). If memory serves, it wasn’t used in the film (or at least was used in bits, I don’t have the liner notes to hand…) and, as someone said when it as discussed earlier, it sounds more like someone else’s take on JW’s JP material (sequel or video game style) than something JW wrote himself even though he clearly did!

 

[Holko 10,081]

I adore it and don't think it's that far off from the most fun bits of T-Rex Rescue & Finale.

[Jay 39,156]

12 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said:

If memory serves, it wasn’t used in the film (or at least was used in bits, I don’t have the liner notes to hand…)

 

The action-based first half of the cue (intended for the raptor chasing Ellie out of the shed) isn't used at all; It's completely replaced by music tracked in from other cues instead.

The second half of the cue (Muldoon's "clever girl" scene) is mostly used, however the ending of the cue is dropped.

[CuriousMan 17]

On 4/9/2023 at 4:38 PM, BrotherSound said:

There’s certainly nothing in JW’s sketch to indicate it’s an alternate:

Nope. As suspected. Thanks for the proof.

[blondheim 1,160]

It does have a slightly different sound; a little Stalling-esque, maybe. If that’s true, it is almost a dark extension of the video demonstration music.

 

The dinosaurs are alive and have come through the screen to eat you! (Which besides being just what happens in the movie, the raptors sort of actually do this in the kitchen sequence when the raptors appear behind drawings of themselves.) I know I’m reaching a little here but when you make smart, intelligently structured art, connections form you may not even have been aware of yourself when writing.

 

Anyway, that’s my head canon. Hungry Raptor is the score’s Stalling Around sound taken to its violent conclusion. Whether he did it on purpose or whether it was just all floating around in his head doesn’t much matter

[Nemesis 254]

Is there a flub at 2:52 on "Journey To The Island (Film Version)"?

[Jay 39,156]

It's the exact same performance as heard in the film!  It's just hard to hear there under the helicopter noises.  This could be a reason why the take on the old album was different than the film.

[Incanus 5,787]

Yeah and it irks me every time I listen to the film version to hear that flub.  

 

[The Great Gonzales 6,201]

5 minutes ago, Incanus said:

Yeah and it irks me every time I listen to the film version to hear that flub.  

 

What did that poor flub do to you?

 

You should be ashamed of yourself!!

 

 

[Richard Penna 4,089]

I stuck with the album version specifically because I don't like that film take - flub, tempo, the entire thing. I also prefer the transition to the visitor center arrival, how the tempo keeps going as the march comes in a little early. The true film version breaks that nice rhythm up for me - one of very few cases where I completely agree with how Williams presented it for listening.

[Jay 39,156]

Wow that's interesting.  I prefer the film version of the transition into the march so so so much more than the album version, it's not even close.

But for the helicopter landing yea, the performance and tempo of the album version is superior for isolated listening, but boy am I glad we have the film take available now too!

[A. A. Ron 1,892]

I’m just glad we have the film mix of Dennis Steals the Embryos now.

[Jay 39,156]

It really sounds a lot better, especially with headphones

[CuriousMan 17]

Anyone else notice that the ending of "System Light On" is shorter on the 2016 release compared to this one?

[Brando 2,077]

What cue is that? Also, I seem to remember @Holko mentioning the track Entrance of Mr. Hammond wasn't faded in like it was on the 2016 set, so maybe that's connected?

[Jay 39,156]

13 minutes ago, Brando said:

What cue is that

 

LLL title is "System Ready"

[Brando 2,077]

Huh, he's right, the 2016 version is somewhat shorter. And it phases the whole time, so maybe a very slightly different take was used?

[Jay 39,156]

You have a different definition of "considerably" than I do

[Brando 2,077]

There

[Manakin Skywalker 5,221]

28 minutes ago, Brando said:

There

 

That's very considerate of you.

[Marian Schedenig 8,891]

On 05/09/2023 at 5:02 PM, Jay said:

The second half of the cue (Muldoon's "clever girl" scene) is mostly used, however the ending of the cue is dropped.

 

I just realised… isn't it interesting that Jurassic Park has that "clever girl" line, when Goldsmith's Total Recall hasa track called Clever Girl (also after a line in that film) that starts with this little 4 note motif:

 

[John Dutton 7,251]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

You have a different definition of "considerably" than I do

 

Yes...considerably.

 

 

So both of these two-disc reissues seem to be superior to the original fat jewel case set. I had the opportunity to get that one and while I'm sure it looks good on a shelf, it's obvious they gave both scores a glow-up as the kids are saying these days for their individual releases. Someday, when I get a CD player, I'll be able to enjoy them.

 

[ThePenitentMan1 1,007]

On 06/09/2024 at 2:23 PM, Brando said:

Huh, he's right, the 2016 version is somewhat shorter. And it phases the whole time, so maybe a very slightly different take was used?

 

The waveform looks mostly the same.  Comparing this screenshot in GIMP, it looks to me like it's most likely the same take faded out early on the previous release and played out fully on the current one.

 

Comparing the two tracks (recorded off of Youtube in Audacity) makes me believe this even more.

[Jay 39,156]

Yes it seems clear to me that Mike chose to fade it early for the 2016 version, but let it play out in full for the 2022 version.  I like hearing the long full ending, personally.

[Brando 2,077]

Hmm. What would be the reason for fading it out early, disc space?

[Jay 39,156]

No, it'd be for the listening experience.

[Marian Schedenig 8,891]

34 minutes ago, Jay said:

No, it's be for the listening experience.

 

Aye, that it be.

[Manakin Skywalker 5,221]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

No, it's be for the listening experience.

 

Odd choice considering it's only a (not even) 3 second difference.

 

Also, really amplifying the audio at the end, it sounds pretty clearly reverbed, not just a standard fade out. I wonder what was going on there. Doesn't much matter anyway though since we now have the full cue as recorded.