Jurassic Park 2-CD (La-La Land) - 5th Of July 2022

[Chewy 1,978]

2 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

@Jay Can you confirm that the main program uses the same master as the 2016 edition (except the 2 new tracks obviously)? I remember when Mike retouched Superman IV for its standalone release he said it was pretty much the same, except for some minor "esoteric differences" or something like that and I just want to make sure that isn't the case here. If it's even a slightly different master, I'll probably want to redo the edits I replicated from the 20th Anniversary Edition because, you know, score collector OCD.

 

I compared the 2022 samples to the 2016 tracks and it's definitely mastered differently.

 

Different EQ applied, some more stage noises removed on the new release, and sometimes, different edits (e.g. "The T-Rex Chase" which is combined with "The Falling Car" starts a bit later in the new master).

[Amer 1,814]

1 hour ago, BB-8 said:

My 1993 CD is a picture disc in a fully transparent jewel case. 

 

Is that something special?

Yep thats what i got too! back then. But it had a cover and maybe a back also. 

[Jay 32,102]

9 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

@Jay Can you confirm that the main program uses the same master as the 2016 edition (except the 2 new tracks obviously)? I remember when Mike retouched Superman IV for its standalone release he said it was pretty much the same, except for some minor "esoteric differences" or something like that and I just want to make sure that isn't the case here. If it's even a slightly different master, I'll probably want to redo the edits I replicated from the 20th Anniversary Edition because, you know, score collector OCD.

 

It's a new master. 

 

Each of the 2013, 2016, and 2022 albums all start from the same 2013 high res transfer of Shawn Murphy’s 1993 stereo mixes, but each are edited and mastered differently. 

[A. A. Ron 1,014]

@Chewy@Amer@Jay

Thanks guys! I appreciate the info.

[JohnnyD 1,150]

Approximately 35 minutes after I placed the order on July 5, the order status updated to Awaiting Shipment. As of now, no update yet. I cannot wait to get this.

[Jay 32,102]

I do not recall anyone on JWFan or FSM saying that their order for any of the three new titles has shipped

[BB-8 1,944]

This seems to offer quite a complete overview of JP releases - though haven't seen 2016 box set yet.

 

https://www.discogs.com/de/master/55514-John-Williams-Jurassic-Park-Music-From-The-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack

[Space Pineapple Prod. 154]

On 05/07/2022 at 7:45 PM, Brando said:

If anyone else is interested, I got an answer on this myself and from someone else from looking at the films audio rip. Its not 'Journey to the Island' thats tracked. 1:24 of 'Journey' has a cymbal crash thats not heard in the film as the Rex grabs the Raptor. 4:36 of 'Welcome to Jurassic Park (Film Version)' is what you're hearing.

You're welcome.

[Pater Ecstaticus 4]

I will probably get this because of OCD. And also, one of the discs on my 2016 4-disc set has a tiny scratch on it, and I can't unsee it (OCD again) - even if it has no effect on playback at all - so I will be able to get this CD out and not having to cringe about my own stupidity again.

 

But if this remaster is slightly different (like for example the very slight but noticeable one on the latest, 2022 La-La Land Star Trek: The Motion Picture soundtrack release, compared to the 2012 3-CD set), and if there are some "corrections" (a relative term, I guess) made, then I can quite possibly legitimize this purchase. Also, I think it is nice to have this score as a "standalone" expanded 2-disc issue.

 

 

[mstrox 5,889]

My order shipped as of half an hour ago.

[Demondm810 368]

Me too!

[JohnnyD 1,150]

Shipped!

[Brando 1,065]

Woot! Got a shipping notification a few minutes ago. Est arrival in 3 days

[fommes 133]

Does anyone know if there are any 'interesting' wrong takes used for the 2013 20th Anniversary assembly? (That are not on the LLL releases because they're not the film or album takes.)

[crumbs 12,973]

I think Ramiro substituted an alternate take for the very end of Journey to the Island, to remove the infamous creaking chair.

[Pater Ecstaticus 4]

OK, my order is in 

[Jay 32,102]

11 hours ago, fommes said:

Does anyone know if there are any 'interesting' wrong takes used for the 2013 20th Anniversary assembly? (That are not on the LLL releases because they're not the film or album takes.)

 

@GoodMusician has, I believe, a list of timestamps on the 2013 album where the take used on that set is different from the film/album.  Maybe he'd be willing to share that list here?

 

As for "interesting" wrong takes?  I would very much say no, definitely not.  All the wrong takes he chose are only very slightly different, and not in any interesting ways.

[Holko 8,228]

I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the set, seeing what else Titus did with it!

[bruce marshall 1,261]

I'm only interested in the CD with the complete score.

So....

If anyone here , who double dipped, feels it's expendable, lmk😁.

Buy or trade

[scallenger 426]

Well technically you'd still need the second CD. "Stalling Around" is at the end of CD 2.

[Luke Skywalker 1,511]

Naughty!

[Brando 1,065]

Are there any tracks from the OST on disc 2 that have alternate takes? I know Journey does, is 'Dennis Steals the Embryo' on the OST any different than the film or was it just truncated a bit for the OST release?

[Jay 32,102]

2 hours ago, Brando said:

Are there any tracks from the OST on disc 2 that have alternate takes?

 

Journey To The Island and Welcome To Jurassic Park

 

2 hours ago, Brando said:

is 'Dennis Steals the Embryo' on the OST any different than the film or was it just truncated a bit for the OST release?

 

It wasn't truncated its just a different mix 

[bruce marshall 1,261]

16 hours ago, scallenger said:

Well technically you'd still need the second CD. "Stalling Around" is at the end of CD 2.

You know, I didn't get the in-joke of the title until recently!

Is senility settling in?😅😰

[John Chambers 103]

 

Set looks great, can’t wait till mine arrives!

[Chewy 1,978]

Titus re-using the 2016 collection sunset background, great!

 

Where was this picture posted?

[Marian Schedenig 6,522]

34 minutes ago, bruce marshall said:

You know, I didn't get the in-joke of the title until recently!

Is senility settling in?😅😰

 

Wouldn't that mean that senility set in years ago?

[rough cut 1,470]

it’s on La-La Land’s Instagram.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfzKK0gJP5_/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[Brando 1,065]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

 

 

 

It wasn't truncated its just a different mix 

Gotcha, I had wondered why the OST and Expanded release had different runtimes. Not a huge difference but I just wanted to know.

[Jay 32,102]

It's because on the 1993 album, the next track (A Tree For My Bed) begins as Dennis Steals The Embryo is still fading out. Dennis doesn't actually fully finish until a few seconds into the A Tree For My Bed track. 

 

This overlap is not retained on the 2013 or 2022 album rebuilds. 

[Brando 1,065]

Ah, I hear it now, makes sense!

[GoodMusician 54]

I’m not at home so I don’t have the information directly in front of me for time codes but based on what I have I can give some guidance.

 

-“[3m2A] Entrance to the Park” the end of this cue on the 2013 release has a ‘clean’ (no chair creek) ending. I don’t mind because it’s what they used for the film edit ending of the cue “[10m3] Eggs in the Forest”
 

-“[9m3-10mA] A Tree for my Bed” this has a slightly different performance in the opening and the ending if I recall

 

-“[10m2] My Friend the Brachiosaurus” has an alternate take near the middle part when the tempo perks up. The ending especially is performed faster.

 

-“[11m2] Preparing to Meet the Monster” I don’t quite recall the difference but I THINK it’s the cue up until the percussive chase moment.

 

-“[11m3-12m1] High Wire Stunts” this has some slight performance differences but the biggest to ear is the final carnivore motif at the end being faster. Possibly because the next cue technically would come in VERY soon after and the album version is more relaxed and doesn’t quite get out of the way in time when synced to the scene.

 

-“[14m2] End Credits (part 1)” If I recall the big difference was in the horn to piano pass off where they aren’t quite in step with eachother.

 

-“[14m2] End Credits (part 2)” again I think the big difference were some edit points and the final part with the carnivore motif (the quieter moments)

 

I can get more specifics later but these are the major changes on the 2013 set

 

I’m really excited for this set! It perfects and finalizes this for me and I can’t wait to explore it again!

[Brando 1,065]

Trying to figure out which percussion only track from TLW @crumbswas referring to, I stumbled across this video. Listen to it and take note of when the video was posted…almost 9 years ago, Corporate Helicopters was, at the time, only available in the film, yet here it is, I guess playing in the park at some point. But after it ends, a different source of percussion plays. Is that what you were referring to Crumbs?

 

[Mr. Breathmask 484]

Oh, dear. Am I going to have to redo this now?

[GoodMusician 54]

51 minutes ago, Brando said:

Trying to figure out which percussion only track from TLW @crumbswas referring to, I stumbled across this video. Listen to it and take note of when the video was posted…almost 9 years ago, Corporate Helicopters was, at the time, only available in the film, yet here it is, I guess playing in the park at some point. But after it ends, a different source of percussion plays. Is that what you were referring to Crumbs?

 

Universal Orlando’s Islands Of Adventure Jurassic Park island plays the iso percussion from “The Hunt.” The unused track for when ingen shows up to catch the dinos

 

Its incomplete but it played in the Discovery Center outdoor area. I recorded it lol

 

its at 2:56-5:49 in that video.

 

Islands of adventure was in final development just after the lost world came out. A lot of the props and vehicles were sent to Universal Orlando to be put on display and remain there to this day (if they haven’t been thrown out…)

 

The Jurassic Park island has some zones of music written specifically for it but is otherwise mostly music from “The Lost World.”

 

Even the “theme from Jurassic Park” that plays at the entrances to the island is the version recorded for The Lost World.

[Chewy 1,978]

9 hours ago, Brando said:

Trying to figure out which percussion only track from TLW @crumbswas referring to, I stumbled across this video. Listen to it and take note of when the video was posted…almost 9 years ago, Corporate Helicopters was, at the time, only available in the film, yet here it is, I guess playing in the park at some point. But after it ends, a different source of percussion plays. Is that what you were referring to Crumbs?

 

"In The Trailer" and "Reading the Map" is in this too! Damn we had previously unreleased music from TLW available on YouTube since 2013

[crumbs 12,973]

50 minutes ago, Chewy said:

 

"In The Trailer" and "Reading the Map" is in this too! Damn we had previously unreleased music from TLW available on YouTube since 2013

 

Is it just me or do these takes sound quite different to the LLL versions? Like the percussion is mixed more prominently or something? 

 

@Brandothank you so much for finding that percussion only version of The Hunt. I really, really hope Mike can convince JW to include percussion only tracks on a future reissue. It highlights the sheer prowess of those percussionists!! 

[GoodMusician 54]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

Is it just me or do these takes sound quite different to the LLL versions? Like the percussion is mixed more prominently or something? 

 

@Brandothank you so much for finding that percussion only version of The Hunt. I really, really hope Mike can convince JW to include percussion only tracks on a future reissue. It highlights the sheer prowess of those percussionists!! 

I think I’d recorded all this probably by 2009 at the latest so we def had it earlier than that! LoL
 

The mixing of the music is hard to comment too much on cause technically I had to record the whole thing twice: once right channel, once for left. And then sync and mix them… there are for sure some alternate takes uses in the River Adventure exit store though… 

 

I do agree the mix feels different but I also feel the same way when I get use to hearing real channel rips and feeling like somethings off when we get the music officially released heh so it could just be that

 

I’d love the iso percussion but I’m not sure if he’d ever approve it. It makes me think of “Anderton Runs” where Williams scored with a lot of percussion and synth that could be used or unused in the mix (as evident by three mixes of the same cue). 
 

I wouldn’t mind a full perc mix version of “The Hunt” so I can retire mine heh

[Antonb 115]

Sorry still a ripoff! In my eyes, I bet you cannot hear a difference with the naked ear! La la records are laughing all the way to the bank with this NEW release

[Holko 8,228]

How is 5000 (minus double dippers) new people getting access to this score a ripoff? You bet, how about you listen and check? No need to be a willingly ignorant ass.

[crumbs 12,973]

1 hour ago, GoodMusician said:

I’d love the iso percussion but I’m not sure if he’d ever approve it. It makes me think of “Anderton Runs” where Williams scored with a lot of percussion and synth that could be used or unused in the mix (as evident by three mixes of the same cue). 

 

I mean, if Mike was able to include an orchestral-only version of The Hunt, plus the album version, we could phase out a clean version of just the percussion

 

Still a pipe dream of course, sadly I doubt Williams would approve it unless they justified a reissue on including something new (or new tracks were required to get around the AFM limit).

[Alan 639]

Took this opportunity to order along with Empire of the Sun and Saving Private Ryan.

 

There's no way a score like JP getting re-issued could ever be a bad thing. It should never be out of print.

[lairdo 591]

2 hours ago, Antonb said:

Sorry still a ripoff! In my eyes, I bet you cannot hear a difference with the naked ear! La la records are laughing all the way to the bank with this NEW release

 

It's only a ripoff if you buy it and feel you did not receive fair value for your money. If you don't purchase, there is no rip off. 

 

I doubt La-La Land are laughing all the way to the bank at all. The economics of these releases is that no one release is all that lucrative, although this is perhaps better than others because a lot of work was used for the box set.

 

And, look at Kritzerland Records needing to run an IndieGoGo campaign to help it stay in business. Intrada has been using Kickstarter to fund new recordings (and happily moving more of its catalog to digital). GNP Crescendo is gone. Film Score Monthly had to stop with its line of releases (now many years ago, but for economic reasons). Varese and Quartet still seem to be producing a plethora of interesting and new discs, but who knows how their financials are. Look at the economy in general and know that inflation hits these companies too, such as in the cost of the printing, CD cases and manufacturing. And all the labels know that piracy drains potential sales.

 

As I wrote earlier, I see this as as smart use of existing assets and licenses in the same way every other record label has repackaged their catalog for years and years. The benefit is that great material stays in print and new material can be launched. I feel the same way that some labels are producing LPs of the exact same material, taking advantage of the recent surge in interest in analog and probably even there treading much more on nostalgia purchases than actual utility. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jay 32,102]

The 2016 box set was only in print for 18 months before it completely sold out.

 

There are lots of fans of John Williams' music on this planet who do not own it and would love to own a legal complete edition of this score.

 

This 2022 edition is not being marketed as an essential new expansion for everyone who bought the original to please upgrade. It's being marketed as a reissue.

Nobody is forcing anybody to buy it and nobody is taking the old editions away from you.

 

 

In my opinion every John Williams title LLL ever released that later sold out should be reissued, either by them or another label, so fans of the maestro will always be able to legally buy all his music.

[Brando 1,065]

6 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

@Brandothank you so much for finding that percussion only version of The Hunt. I really, really hope Mike can convince JW to include percussion only tracks on a future reissue. It highlights the sheer prowess of those percussionists!! 

You’re welcome! You kept mentioning it and I’m pretty certain I had seen someone discussing this forever ago, and I knew some people uploaded videos of theme park music recorded in the park, so I was like let me go see if this is on YT. Also found this gem, not from the films, but I’ve probably heard it in the park and thought I’d share. It’s a calypso version of the JP theme.

 

[Andy 2,565]

@BrandoThat percussion only of the Hunt is superb.  I love listening to the percussion only cues on the Deluxe ALIENS cd.  I would be in Heaven if they were able to select a few Lost World cues and give them that treatment. 

 

You know what’s really great about this reissue that doesn’t get mentioned?  It’s a CD release.   For the most consistent and durable preservation and listening, and to keep consistent continuity with the format of most longtime collections. Thank goodness LLL is still supporting this format.  It doesn’t mean they can’t do a vinyl later, but it provides a lossless source so that every fan can hear it without limitations for a lifetime. 

[GoodMusician 54]

1 hour ago, Brando said:

You’re welcome! You kept mentioning it and I’m pretty certain I had seen someone discussing this forever ago, and I knew some people uploaded videos of theme park music recorded in the park, so I was like let me go see if this is on YT. Also found this gem, not from the films, but I’ve probably heard it in the park and thought I’d share. It’s a calypso version of the JP theme.

 

I’d love for all those tracks to be released. 
 

one version was on the original IOA album, then the reprinted album replaced it with a version not using JW’s themes and there’s a whole other version too. I recorded all that too hah

[Jay 32,102]

That calypso cover of the JP theme was released on a real pressed CD?  

Was the arranger credited?

[JohnnyD 1,150]

Oh, yeah. The Maestro’s music from both Jurassic Park and The Lost World play throughout the Jurassic Park area in Orlando. This video has the music that plays throughout the area and it includes, in order, sections of The Trek (0:00 to 2:14), The Long Grass (2:14 to 3:44), Spilling Petrol (3:44 to 6:41), Reading the Map (6:41 to 7:56), On the Glass (7:57 to 10:09), Ludlow’s Speech (10:09 to 12:08), Corporate Helicopters (12:08 to 14:27), In the Trailer (14:27 to 16:40) and percussion overlay to The Hunt (16:40 to end).
 

I have fond memories of going to the Jurassic Park area; after going on the ride, I’d always sit for a while in a quiet area and just listen to the music. Selections of the Maestro’s music also play in the gift shops. I remember listening to The T-Rex Chase, Rescuing Sarah, High Bar and Ceiling Tiles in the store.
 

Thanks to The John Williams Jurassic Park Collection released in 2016, I can enjoy the entire score of both films. I can’t wait to get the 2022 reissue of Jurassic Park today for the updated remaster and the two film version cues.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,312]

LLL should reissue The Lost World and, more importantly, bring back the old diorama!