TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I mean Williams forgot he wrote Han and Leia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 TBF Williams would also probably be horrified at the notion of writing blog posts like McCreary does too though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: TBF Williams would also probably be horrified at the notion of writing blog posts like McCreary does too though I frankly think it is hella cool. Gives us enormous insight and transparency into how the most expensive TV score ever for the most expensive TV show ever was put together - a straight window to the artistic process. Edmilson, Edmund and Bofur01 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: TBF Williams would also probably be horrified at the notion of writing blog posts like McCreary does too though Williams wrote - or used to write - pretty informative liner notes that had the same effect as Bear's blog-posts here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Soooooort of. He kept those pretty general, less in-depth, compared to Bear IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I relistened to the last hour or so of the sampler album this evening and the thematic usage just jumped out - so many quotations I hadn't noticed before. Wise One has so much beautiful use of Nori's theme that hadn't noticed before and The Mystics has a rendition of The Stranger that feels like a worthy companion to the ending of his suite. And who can not love the racing strings in Perilous Whisperings. At some point I have to listen properly through the eps 3-4 albums as I didn't really connect to them as well as the first two due to not enjoying the episodes as much. However, this is not one of those cases where the full show score feels like too much music because Bear has put so much effort and detail into the themes and their usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,944 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Monoverantus said: Also, my theory that "Elendil and Isildur" actually represents the Faithful was just validate After the theme had such a prominent role in "White Leaves" I knew that it must mean more than just a theme for Elendil & Isildur Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I was starting to get a bit confused about that theme. It's been used in so many places now where only Elendil is in the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Goes to show that naming conventions for musical themes, even when they're used by the composer himself, are ultimately little more than a bit of shorthand. Its better to think of themes as being associated with certain things, rather than designating them to certain things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Soooooort of. He kept those pretty general, less in-depth, compared to Bear IMO So were the scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Monoverantus and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Now now, @Disco Stu that's an unfair accusation. I don't think John Williams wants to see the world burn! Only the lips of the brass players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I finally saw episode 3 last night The "concert arrangement in the episode" feelings I had through the first 2 episode a bunch of times did not happen for me in this episode, which was nice! The introduction to Numenor sequence carried by Bear's theme was really nice! Quite a memorable sequence and musical theme. The rest of the episode had nice music throughout, with the Stranger, Harfoot, and Nori themes being the most recognizable when they turn up for me. I can't say I really picked up on Adar's theme just from watching the episode, but I'm off to listen to the episode 3 album now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I found Adar's theme very subtle in the show to start with - it only leapt out at me in later moments on harsh brass. I watched episode 5 this morning and for the first time I didn't immediately spot any music that's not on the album, although it felt like there were fewer short cues and I tend to turn off a bit during some dialogue scenes with Elrond and Durin as I'm not finding that storyline very interesting. Looks like the album assembly Bear showed us is the next one, and the 20 minute battle sequence. If he keeps with the established generally chronological pattern, we're probably looking at all the sampler material up to Water And Flame. That leaves 45 minutes of music from the last two episodes, so it may be that (typically) he put more emphasis on representing the season finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I listened to the episode 3 score album and can't say Adar's theme has stuck with me after that either. Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 It's more prominent in 4/5. You've just seen the first episode in the trench and yeah, it's not very obvious in that episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I have this document in my Google Drive that I think someone here had made? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VmWESXw9GcYOy0ROA-VeZxJBsudgjH3Cr68zAiC-vxg/ It's really terrific - is whoever is behind this planning on continuing into further episodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Really liked the variations on the Stranger and Khazad-dum themes this week, even the Sauron theme for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I don't think he's used 'complete' in any tweet thus far so I guess it means episode 5 is actually complete. I certainly noticed nothing missing in the episode. At this rate there won't be more than 5 minutes of unreleased material from season 1. That's astonishing. Holko and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Am I correct in saying that the individual episode albums do not contain the end credits music? What music plays under the end credits of each of the first 5 episodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I just skimmed through and it sounds like they're all a cut-down excerpt of one of the theme suites. Episode 1 : Where The Shadows Lie Episode 2: Khazad-dum Episode 3: The Stranger Episode 4: Numenor (edited and then opened with a percussion stinger from somewhere else) Episode 5 is the song variation at the end of the album. Talking of which, the 'up next' autoplay thing absolutely kills any chance of actually hearing the end credits music, which is completely ridiculous, as the platform the show was literally made for is designed to cut off its own credits music. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Thanks! Also, which tracks from the initial score album play in episodes 4 and 5? 19 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Talking of which, the 'up next' autoplay thing absolutely kills any chance of actually hearing the end credits music, which is completely ridiculous, as the platform the show was literally made for is designed to cut off its own credits music. That's a feature you can simply turn off. At least on my TV, that popup shows up in the corner, but I can simply hit the up arrow on my Roku remote and it goes away, and the entire end credits plays uninterupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Yes, you can click to hide it, but on Chrome it shows for about 5 seconds which is barely enough time to notice and click. As for eps 4 and 5... not sure yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 seconds is barely enough time to notice a giant box on your screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 If you're doing something else on your PC (I usually am) and your mouse is elsewhere, 5 seconds isn't a lot of time. Anyways, I found the toggle to stop it auto-starting the next one. If someone really wants it turned on, fine, but having it on by default IMO is one of the worst design and viewing decisions there is. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: having it on by default IMO is one of the worst design and viewing decisions there is. YES!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, Jay said: Thanks! Also, which tracks from the initial score album play in episodes 4 and 5? Episode 4 The Secrets of the Mountain (I think?) A Plea to the Rocks White Leaves Episode 5 This Wandering Day Scherzo for Violins and Swords Sailing Into the Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Plan 9 strike again with their second earworm for Middle Earth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Wait, this song was on the first score album, and Plan 9 / JD Payne was credited nowhere for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 It's on the season album and twice on today's album, and nope, no credit to them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Crazy Well, I guess the booklet of the CD edition will credit them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,944 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Jay said: I have this document in my Google Drive that I think someone here had made? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VmWESXw9GcYOy0ROA-VeZxJBsudgjH3Cr68zAiC-vxg/ It's really terrific - is whoever is behind this planning on continuing into further episodes? No sure who it was, because it's been a week or so since he posted. But he also does the breakdowns of the score of House Of The Dragon each episode, on a seperate website. He mentioned on his breakdown of The Rings Of Power episode 4 that he's is away from home for a couple of weeks, and he will get to it when he is back. I'm working on the thematic timestamps on episode 5 right now. Will post it within the next 2 hours Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: No sure who it was, because it's been a week or so since he posted. But he also does the breakdowns of the score of House Of The Dragon each episode, on a seperate website. He mentioned on his breakdown of The Rings Of Power episode 4 that he's is away from home for a couple of weeks, and he will get to it when he is back. Ah, sweet 2 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: I'm working on the thematic timestamps on episode 5 right now. Will post it within the next 2 hours Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Turns out the soloist on the Wandering Day reprisal is Janet Roddick who's part of Plan 9. I thought it was strange to see a name who's both unknown and not a cast member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2022 So here's how I'm thinking about the initial score album now, look good? Howard Shore’s theme 01 The Rings of Power Main Title Concert arrangements 02 Galadriel - character theme for Galadriel - appears in episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 03 Khazad-dûm - location/culture theme for the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm - appears in episodes 2, 4, 5 - this arrangement used as end credits of episode 2 04 Nori Brandyfoot - character theme for Nori - appears in episodes 1, 2, 3, 5 05 The Stranger - character theme for The Stranger - appears in episodes 1, 2, 3, 5 - this arrangement used as end credits of episode 3 06 Númenor - location/culture theme for Númenor - appears in episodes 3, 4, 5 - this arrangement used as end credits of episode 4 07 Sauron - character theme for Sauron - appears in episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 08 Valinor - location/culture theme for Valinor - appears in episode 1 10 Elrond Half-elven - character theme for Elrond - appears in episodes 1, 2, 4, 5 11 Durin IV - character theme for Durin IV - appears in episodes 2, 4, 5 12 Harfoot Life - location/culture theme for the Harfoots - appears in episodes 1, 3 13 Bronwyn and Arondir - character theme for both Arondir and for Bronwyn - appears in episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 14 Halbrand - character theme for Halbrand and also a location/culture theme for The Southlands - appears in episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 18 Elendil and Isildur - character theme for both Elendil and Isildur as well as The Faithful - appears in episodes 3, 4, 5 21 Nolwa Mahtar - TBD 22 Nampat - character theme for Adar, also a theme for Orcs in general - appears in episodes 2, 3, 4, 5 32 The Mystics [0:00-3:11] - theme for The Mystics - appears in episodes 5 37 Where The Shadows Lie - theme for the rings themselves (and Ceremrimbor’s project) - appears in episodes 1, 2, 4, 5 - this arrangement used as end credits of episode 1 Episode 1 - A Shadow Of The Past 09 In The Beginning 15 The Boat Episode 2 - Adrift 16 Sundering Seas 20 The Secrets of the Mountain [0:00-0:27] Episode 3 - Adar 17 Nobody Goes Off Trail Episode 4 - The Great Wave 19 White Leaves 20 The Secrets of the Mountain [0:27-end] 23 A Plea to the Rocks Episode 5 - Partings 24 This Wandering Day 25 Scherzo for Violin and Swords 26 Sailing into the Dawn TBD (CD exclusive track) In Defiance of Death (Amazon exclusive track) Find The Light 27 For the Southlands (CD exclusive track) Riding At Dawn 28 Cavalry (Amazon/CD exclusive track) The Promised King 29 Water and Flame 30 In the Mines 31 The Veil of Smoke 32 The Mystics [3:11-end] 33 Perilous Whisperings (CD exclusive track) The Breaking of The First Silence 34 The Broken Line 35 Wise One 36 True Creation Requires Sacrifice JNHFan2000, Monoverantus and Richard Penna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,944 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Seems about right. Brings the total to 17 themes, which is the same as McCreary mentioned in his blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Themes that appear in all 5 episodes: Galadriel Sauron Bronwyn/Arondir Halbrand/Southlands Themes that appear in 4 episodes Nori The Stranger Elrond Adar/Orcs The Rings of Power Themes that appear in 3 episodes Khazad-dûm Durin IV Númenor Elendil and Isildur/Faithful Themes that appear in 2 episodes Harfoot Themes that appear in 1 episode Valinor The Mystics Themes that haven't appeared yet Nolwa Mahtar JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 So far I've noticed two tracks where Bear has rearranged a large number of smaller tracks into one continuous piece - Underneath The Floorboards and In The Trench, which makes it difficult to spot unreleased bits. Both of those cues consist of a lot of different bits combined together, often with quite long crossfades where they don't clash. Hence there are likely very few short cues that aren't included somewhere - and quite honestly, short, stinger-like cues or brief non-thematic tracks are usually ones even hard-core fans can live without, particularly if we can barely hear them. So far the only bits I've spotted which I'm fairly sure aren't on the episode albums (and probably not the series album) are: Episode 1: 9:10 to 9:57 - the brief talk in the snow. I wasn't able to find this section anwhere later on this track so I'm assuming he just cut it out. Episode 2: 20:27 to 20:50 - the transitional overhead shot with Nori's theme. Episode 3: a few small sections of the trench sequence have been lost while crossfading bits, the most notable being the map flyover before the shot of the tree against the sun. I didn't explicitly notice anything unreleased in eps 4 or 5 (the latter sort of expected if Bear says it's complete) so if there is anything, it's definitely not anything notable. I don't know if anyone else has spotted any other bits, but those bits above add up to roughly 1 1/2 to 2 mins. Perhaps another minute or so if there are trench bits where I wasn't paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Plan 9 strike again with their second earworm for Middle Earth.... Second? there are more of them for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 earworm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Music that gets stuck in your head. 1 minute ago, Jay said: earworm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I know what it is (obviously), I was stating that I don't think this song is one. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Roll the Bones said: Second? Their first is the Misty Mountains theme from the first Hobbit score. 1 minute ago, Jay said: I know what it is (obviously), I was stating that I don't think this song is one. Do you? It's stuck in my head like nearly all of Bear's themes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Maybe when I see it in context in an episode that will change for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jay said: I know what it is (obviously), I was stating that I don't think this song is one. Do you? I honestly don't really connect with McCreary, or much new film music in general these days. I will admit there have been a few cues/moments here and there that stood out to me a little bit however. 3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Their first is the Misty Mountains theme from the first Hobbit score That would be Flaming Red Hair for me, but I guess that's not really a song per se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Oh of course, I forgot they did that piece. I never put it in my Fellowship playlist as I can stand that song for about as long as that fireworks shot lasts in the film, then it gets annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 They also did "The Passing of the Elves (aka The Elvish Lament)" the cue for the EE scene of Sam and Frodo watching elves leave for the Grey Havens, I think the source songs for Pippin and Merry in FOTR and ROTK?, no idea if they were involved with either version of The Road Goes Ever On and On.. Then of course Blunt the Knives. I think the Laketown band source was them too (not really an earworm though) Then I I think the folksy arrangements for the Hobbit EE docs were by a member of Plan 9.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Ok, so definitely not the second The MM just stuck in my mind far more than the others as it's in an actual non-diegetic score cue, and for me, more memorable than most of the themes Shore himself came up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 What? Misty Mountains is absolutely a diegetic song. All the uses of its melody in the score are new arrangements of Plan 9's melody done by Shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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