Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: i wonder if the vocals will be in the show To hear Bear talking about it, the answer is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doo_liss 6,631 Posted August 9 Popular Post Share Posted August 9 2 hours ago, JWScores said: Heavy metal has nothing to do with Middle-Earth. crocodile, Chen G., JWScores and 3 others 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 537 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I gotta say, the rift between my love for Bear's work and my disappointment with the show might reach a breaking point with this. I can't help but notice how everything about "Damrod" feels like the showrunners once again being more in love with their own ideas than making a faithful adaptation of Tolkien. Make a Troll main character - ok, could work I guess but why? Be inspired by Mike from Breaking Bad - I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but again, why? His name is Damrod - isn't that one of Faramir's rangers? Why does a Troll have that name? Gets his own song on the OST - the troll is so important it gets his own song? It's a death metal track - decent song in isolation, but in the show??? The track will (allegedly) play in the show - what's the point of adapting the music to the different cultures and eras if you're just gonna break the mold with this? Not saying we have another Jar-Jar Binks on our hands, but if the showrunners wanted to ensure us that S2 was gonna be less fan-fiction BS, then this is not it. bored and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,265 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I don't even find the orchestral part very interesting - no doubt the prime creative effort has gone into making the vocal work. Feels like there's an element of either indulgence here (i.e. Bear loves this sort of music) or debatable judgement from the showrunners. Way I see it though, is that if this appears in the show for 45 seconds then we can just ignore it on the album. I'm not a fan of guest vocalists in general so this may be an album where I cull a few tracks. I respectfully suggest some people just ignore the tracks they don't like, particularly those whose square one hostility towards this project and its music is well known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 31 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: if this appears in the show for 45 seconds then we can just ignore it on the album. Am I the only one who thinks this will probably be something of a recurring theme/soundscape for the guy? I wouldn't know about "main character" (Pace Monoverantus) but he's obviously going to be present through a good deal of the season. So its probably not just going to be a one-and-done cue. Am I misremembering when I recall hearing a strain of this music at the Troll's appearance in the latest trailer? Now, to be fair, I think the idea itself is an interesting and novel one, and its intriguing to see a live-action Tolkien score finding ways to push at the edges of the orchestral style its so associated with, and perhaps to step a bit further out from under the shadow of the Howard Shore scores. Hearing it, however, I'm just not convinced this idea is paying off very handsomely. The showrunners may have had a hand in inspiring this approach since they spoke about how Tolkien "is an umbrella over Peter’s films—and Led Zeppelin, John Howe’s paintings, and The Hobbit cartoon." Certainly, Howe's painting and Jackson's films are much in evidence in the show's visuals, and in Season Two Mithlond had clearly been designed to resemble Rivendell in the 1977 cartoon, leaving Tolkien's impact on Rock and Metal unattended until this most eccentric of Bear's creative choices. It would certainly fit the more self-consciously fantastical styling of this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 471 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Heavy metal culture is as anti-Tolkien as you can get. bored 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 453 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I was open to Bear's original score even if it's nowhere near as good as Shore's, but wow this is borderline insulting to Middle Earth in general, much like the show itself. Taking a timeless, detailed, structured world and muddling it with modern trends to this degree is just sad and embarrassing, musically or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 1,086 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 It's just ONE 3-minute song in an 8-hour season. I'm sure pretty much the rest of the score will be really close in style to what we heard in S1 which in my opinion, was brilliant! Really looking forward to hear more tracks before the release. tomsmoviemadness and Stark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 1 minute ago, Knight of Ren said: It's just ONE 3-minute song in an 8-hour season. I'm assuming it acts as a leitmotif or at least a recurring style of scoring whenever this Troll is onscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 537 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Metal is the genre by far most reverent of Tolkien tomsmoviemadness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsmoviemadness 3,609 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 4 hours ago, Knight of Ren said: It's just ONE 3-minute song in an 8-hour season. I'm sure pretty much the rest of the score will be really close in style to what we heard in S1 which in my opinion, was brilliant! Really looking forward to hear more tracks before the release. I agree. It's only the first 3 minutes of the new season we've heard. It might be used on multiple occassions, but it's not an indicator that the whole score is suddenly metal. This is one theme for one character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,948 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Wanted to share my latest eBay acquisition! Stark and crocodile 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 453 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 It is just one song, but it's so off of what the source material is that it's like having a pop song in a Star Wars movie. A Taylor Swift song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 566 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 9 hours ago, bored said: It is just one song, but it's so off of what the source material is that it's like having a pop song in a Star Wars movie. A Taylor Swift song. Well, Star Wars source music is usually weird compared to Star Wars scores, so… as someone OK with this decision, I agree with the analogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 41 minutes ago, Stark said: Well, Star Wars source music is usually weird compared to Star Wars scores, so… So are the diegetic Plan 9/Stephen Gallagher pieces in both the Shore AND McCreary scores... I think a better comparison is to the addition of electric guitar to the Coruscant chase in Attack of the Clones. Stark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 566 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: So are the diegetic Plan 9/Stephen Gallagher pieces in both the Shore AND McCreary scores... I think a better comparison is to the addition of electric guitar to the Coruscant chase in Attack of the Clones. Which was great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 2 hours ago, Stark said: Which was great! It is. But I feel like there's a different between a few bars' worth of guitar riffs, and entire passages scored in a Heavy Metal style. Perhaps there was a way to "embed" the vocals into the orchestral texture in a way that would have been less obtrusive. I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Cat 32 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Hopefully Season 3 comes with a '90s Swedish pop track! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,631 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 36 minutes ago, Gollum Cat said: Hopefully Season 3 comes with a '90s Swedish pop track! ...Oops, I Died Again (Sauron's Theme) Gollum Cat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsmoviemadness 3,609 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 https://music.apple.com/nz/album/old-tom-bombadil-single/1762215036 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,589 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I actually love both This Wandering Day and where the Shadows Lie so hoping this is another good song. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 34 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: This Wandering Day which, as it happens, is not by Bear McCreary... enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,589 Posted August 15 Popular Post Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: which, as it happens, is not by Bear McCreary... i know. i like it regardless. Yavar Moradi, enderdrag64 and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 537 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Once again, I don't dislike what I'm hearing, but paired with the little we've seen from BTS and trailer footage, I'm afraid they're aiming for a "dark, serious Tom Bombadil". Like, the fact that he says there's more to the character than the whimsy is perfectly fine in isolation, but please don't forget to actually make him whimsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 1,948 Posted August 15 Popular Post Share Posted August 15 Tom's appearances this season are just there to tease the grim and gritty upcoming spin-off movie... Bombadil Begins! enderdrag64, Jay, Tallguy and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 2 hours ago, Monoverantus said: Once again, I don't dislike what I'm hearing, but paired with the little we've seen from BTS and trailer footage, I'm afraid they're aiming for a "dark, serious Tom Bombadil". I agree. I call him "Tom-Juan" because he's really Yoda (who, in turn, is a Don Juan figure): a hermit, living in the wilderness, serving as a quirky but ultimately earnest master for our young wizard... That's not Tom Bombadil, that's Yoda. Or Don Juan. Hence, Tom-Juan. Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 3,030 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I dunno... 20 seconds into that video seems like Tom to me. I'd like to see more of him cheerfully galivanting around in nature, though. He does seem unusually serious in some of the production material we've seen. Yavar tomsmoviemadness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 537 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: because he's really Yoda (who, in turn, is a Don Juan figure) Never in my life did expect to find someone compare Yoda and Don Juan... 21 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I'd like to see more of him cheerfully galivanting around in nature, though. He does seem unusually serious in some of the production material we've seen. As I said, I have no problem with them giving the whimsy character some traces of seriousness, but I'm afraid we're looking at a serious character with traces of whimsy (if even that). Nothing we've seen or heard so far (muted colors, serious dialogue, stirring score) gives me faith that they're gonna capture the effortless joy and energy the book character exudes. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 7 hours ago, Monoverantus said: Never in my life did expect to find someone compare Yoda and Don Juan... Not that Don Juan, this Don Juan. Yoda quotes him verbatim. The same "archetype" had been channelled here for Tom Bombadil, it seems. Which would be fine except that that's not Tom Bombadil. Somehow, I never imagined Tom Bombadil taking an apprentice... Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,606 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I really quite like the Old Tom Bombadil song. I bet the melody is also Tom's theme in the show. The only that bothers me slightly is the very opening song which gives me a slightly too pop vibes. But once Rufus starts singing, all is good. As for the The Last Ballad of Damrod, it is not necessarily my type of thing. But I also have to admit heavy metal was always quite closely linked to fantasy genre and the brutal industrial sound is not really inappropriate for forces of evil. Will see how it plays in context before making any final judgement. Karol Yavar Moradi and Stark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,908 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I enjoy Tom's song. I think it fits his character quite well and gives me hope that the show will do the character justice. I didn't love the Fiona Apple song from season 1, but I do like how these original songs fit in with the ones from the LOTR trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,606 Posted August 16 Popular Post Share Posted August 16 47 minutes ago, artguy360 said: I enjoy Tom's song. I think it fits his character quite well and gives me hope that the show will do the character justice. I didn't love the Fiona Apple song from season 1, but I do like how these original songs fit in with the ones from the LOTR trilogy. I can understand why people might not like Fiona's song but, to me, it is more of an incantation than anything else. I appreciate how each song, that being by McCreary or someone else, tries to address a completely different aspect of Middle-earth. It's a cool way of approaching it, something The Hobbit films missed out on. Like or dislike his music, his heart is definitely in it. I think we all can agree on this at least. Karol artguy360, Monoverantus and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 537 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 4 hours ago, Chen G. said: Not that Don Juan, this Don Juan. Yoda quotes him verbatim. Yeah I figured there must've been something I was missing, but I'm amazed you expected anyone to catch that reference XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 1 minute ago, Monoverantus said: I'm amazed you expected anyone to catch that reference Well, we've talked about it on JWFan a good deal recently, usually in Star Wars-related discussions. Monoverantus and enderdrag64 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,735 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 But has he really ever loved a woman?* *obscure Michael Kamen score reference alert. And don't start on "de Marco".... Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsmoviemadness 3,609 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I like the song that Fiona Apple sang, but I'm a fan of her voice to be honest. The song us fantastic. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,754 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 Am I blind or has the actual song not been posted here yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsmoviemadness 3,609 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 No, you're not blind. I just posted the BTS video. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsmoviemadness 3,609 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I think it's a beautiful song and I can imagine what parts of it would accompany scenes with Bombadil. And I think there are many ways and arrangements that McCreary can use it. My favourite part of the song though is when at the last chorus Yara Yarbrough joins Wainwright. Their harmony is gorgeous and really elevates the final moments of the song. I can't wait to listen to the album next week! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 9,116 Posted August 16 Popular Post Share Posted August 16 23 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Tom's appearances this season are just there to tease the grim and gritty upcoming spin-off movie... Bombadil Begins! Directed by Christopher Nolan, music by Hans Zimmer. Michael Caine will play Bombadil. 19 hours ago, Monoverantus said: Never in my life did expect to find someone compare Yoda and Don Juan... The thought of Yoda as a Don Juan-type, seducing women across the galaxy with a rose between his lips, has made me laugh like a hyena here Just imagine this guy: Singing this with a spanish guitar: Quote To really love a woman To understand her, you gotta know her deep inside Hear every thought, see every dream And give her wings when she wants to fly Then when you find yourself lyin' helpless in her arms You know you really love a woman Now we know where Baby Yoda came from! And if he was really a Don Juan there must be countless Babies Yoda around the galaxy! Yavar Moradi, enderdrag64, Chen G. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,712 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 More like this Don Juan: Quote “What is don Genaro doing in this?” “That subject is not in your realm yet,” he said. “Today I have to pound the nail that Genaro put in, the fact that we are luminous beings. We are perceivers. But let's not get too off-track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 471 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 10/08/2024 at 7:28 PM, Monoverantus said: Metal is the genre by far most reverent of Tolkien But Tolkien wouldn't be so reverent of Metal. So. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 537 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 27 minutes ago, TolkienSS said: But Tolkien wouldn't be so reverent of Metal. Most likely, since afaik he didn't even like rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomsmoviemadness 3,609 Posted August 19 Popular Post Share Posted August 19 The second half of this video 100% contains new music from Season 2. It's fantastic!!!!!! Tydirium, Yavar Moradi and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,402 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Isn’t the whole video Season 2 music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,265 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 I was thinking that as I watched the first half - all sounds new to me. I have to say the battle (?) music in the second half sounds a tad anonymous to me, but it's risky to take these bits out of context. Criticise when the show is out, not in an isolated clip. Yavar Moradi and Monoverantus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,589 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 13 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Isn’t the whole video Season 2 music? I think I definitely heard Sauron, Galadriel and Nolwa Mahtar. Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 537 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 3 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I think I definitely heard Sauron, Galadriel and Nolwa Mahtar. And some Halbrand/Southlands at 0:40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsmoviemadness 3,609 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 I meant new music as in "not heard in S1". The first half has some new arrangements on themes we already new. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,402 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 17 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I think I definitely heard Sauron, Galadriel and Nolwa Mahtar. I heard the themes, but aren’t they new arrangements/recordings? 6 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: I meamt mew music as in "not heard in S1". The first half has some new arrangements on themes we already new. Oh, okay. The second half also has arrangements of themes we already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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