Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2022 Episode 3: Adar Spoiler Into Númenor 0:12-0:57 Númenor 1:02-1:14 Númenor 1:33-5:18 Númenor 3:33-4:04 Galadriel 4:32-4:36 Halbrand 5:39-6:01 Númenor 6:02-6:21 Halbrand 7:00-7:14 Númenor 7:17-7:40 Halbrand 7:49-7:59 Galadriel The Tests Of Isildur And Earien 0:13-0:41 Elendil And Isildur 1:47-3:58 Elendil And Isildur (Different tempos and variations) 4:22-4:39 Númenor 4:40-5:46 Elendil And Isildur In The Trench 0:17-0:46 Adar 1:17-1:27 Adar 1:35-2:23 Adar 2:28-2:51 Adar 3:10-3:47 Requiem (full performance in A Plea To The Rocks) Not sure, I could be wrong. 3:54-4:28 Arondir And Bronwyn To The Hall Of Lore 0:16-0:26 Galadriel 0:56-1:03 Galadriel 1:03-1:38 Elendil And Isildur 1:48-2:30 Númenor 1:31-2:59 Galadriel 3:18-3:49 Halbrand The Successor 0:18-0:54 Galadriel 0:59-1:32 Elendil And Isildur 1:58-3:25 Sauron Nobody Walks Alone 0:00-1:57 Harfoot Life 2:23-3:30 Harfoot Life 3:32-3:39 Nori Brandyfoot 3:53-3:59 Nori Brandyfoot 4:51-5:29 Nori Brandyfoot 5:30-5:48 Harfoot Life We Wait For You 0:44-1:37 Harfoot Life 1:38-2:11 The Stranger 2:11-2:25 Harfoot Life 2:35-3:00 The Stranger 3:40-3:50 Nori Brandyfoot 4:04-5:48 Harfoot Life 4:48-5:41 Nori Brandyfoot 5:45-5:59 The Stranger Both Our Bloodlines 0:00-1:19 Halbrand 1:44-2:02 Galadriel 2:11-3:03 Númenor 3:05-3:39 Harfoot Life 3:36-3:53 Nori Brandyfoot 4:07-4:39 The Stranger 4:44-5:25 Nori Brandyfoot Breaking Chains 0:32-0:38 Adar 1:04-1:16 Arondir And Bronwyn 1:55-2:01 Arondir And Bronwyn 2:18-2:27 Adar 2:32-2:39 Arondir And Bronwyn 2:49-2:57 Arondir And Bronwyn 3:00-3:25 Requiem (full performance in A Plea To The Rocks) Not sure I could be wrong 3:36-4:12 Adar Street Musicians 0:00-0:38 Halbrand 0:39-2:12 Elendil And Isildur 2:13-3:36 ? Cerebral Cortex, Jay, Holko and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2022 Episode 4: The Great Wave Spoiler Civil Unrest In The Island Kingdom 0:00-0:46 Númenor 1:04-1:35 Númenor 1:39-1:55 Númenor 1:56-2:06 Elendil And Isildur 2:16-3:27 Númenor 4:05-5:15 Númenor 5:26-6:45 Elendil And Isildur 6:52-7:04 Galadriel 7:13-7:30 Númenor 7:36-7:50 Sauron 8:19-8:30 Galadriel 8:43-9:35 Elendil And Isildur Adar Lord-Father 0:27-1:37 Adar 1:58-2:28 Adar 2:48-3:45 Adar 3:46-4:25 Halbrand A New Ore 0:11-0:29 Elrond Half-Elven 1:13-1:33 Durin IV 2:02-2:43 Durin IV 3:12-3:25 Khazad-Dûm 4:13-4:42 Khazad-Dûm 4:59-5:26 Durin IV 5:31-5:54 Khazad-Dûm 5:56-6:04 Elrond Half-Elven 6:05-6:22 Durin IV 6:29-7:05 Where The Shadows Lie 7:13-7:27 Khazad-Dûm 7:28-7:45 Where The Shadows Lie? 7:59-8:19 Durin IV The King In The Tower 0:02-0:27 Númenor (rhythm) 1:06-2:07 Elendil And Isildur 2:19-2:25 Galadriel 3:07-3:23 Númenor 3:49-4:14 Númenor 4:56-5:04 Galadriel 5:38-5:56 Númenor 6:29-6:43 Númenor 6:54-7:22 Galadriel Theo In The Shadows 0:04-0:10 Halbrand 2:27-2:37 Sauron 3:31-3:42 Halbrand 6:21-6:30 Arondir And Bronwyn A Plea To The Rocks (feat. Sophia Nomvete) 0:00-2:06 Requiem 2:06-3:47 A Plea To The Rocks Father Figures 0:31-1:16 Elrond Half-Elven 1:36-2:32 Durin IV 2:40-5:00 Khazad-Dûm (few different variation) 4:35-4:59 Where The Shadows Lie 5:06-5:41 Arondir And Bronwyn 5:56-6:25 Halbrand 6:36-6:55 Halbrand 7:32-8:09 Sauron White Leaves 0:21-1:25 Galadriel 1:27-1:42 Númenor 2:04-2:54 Elendil And Isildur 3:10-3:56 Númenor 3:54-4:07 Galadriel 4:08-4:24 Númenor 4:30-5:14 Númenor Cerebral Cortex, Holko, Monoverantus and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 09/09/2022 at 10:31 AM, TheUlyssesian said: So I counting and McCreary said there are 15 main themes he created. Would I be right in saying that these 14 are now confirmed with one last remaining theme in The Mystics? 1. Galadriel's Theme X 2. Khazad-Dum Theme X 3. Nori's Theme X 4. The Stranger's Theme X 5. Numenor Theme X 6. Sauron's Theme X 7. Valinor Theme X 8. Elrond's Theme X 9. Durin's Theme X 10. Harfoot Theme X 11. Bronwyn and Arondir's Theme X 12. Halbrand's Theme (also doubles as Southlands Theme) X 13. Elendil & Isuldur's Theme X 14. Adar's Theme (also doubles as Orcs' Theme) X Now for the last one, Monoverantus has identified the Where The Shadows Lie theme but McCreary indicated that it might be in the The Mystics track. I guess we will learn more as the series progresses as Adar's theme only became apparent in Episode 3. Maybe subsequent episodes will give us clue about what the 15th main theme is. Or plot twist: maybe there are more than 15 main themes? So... Based on McCreary's latest blog post - It seems the remaining themes are - 15. The Mystics' Theme 16. The Rings of Power Theme (Where the Shadows Lie) 17. Nolwa Mahtar Only The Mystics' Theme needs to be identified now. All others have been identified. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 The Mystics theme is heard for the first time this episode. It's indeed the vocal sort of whispering. It's very cool. I believe it is heard in "The Perils Of Migration". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 So we’ve had up to & including about track 26 of the OST in the show, which seems to be broadly chronological thus far, except for Nolwa Mahtar. I wonder when that is going to turn up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 The full Nampat chant is heard for the first time as well!! I'll do a breakdown of the themes later today. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I love how This Wandering Day is heard basically isolated in the show. I thought for a wonderful moment that maybe the final track was an instrumental but it's just a different vocalist. And the cue about 11 mins in sounds surprisingly Shore-like with those strings. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 17/09/2022 at 9:46 AM, JNHFan2000 said: Episode 3: Adar Thanks for making these, I really appreciate it! JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 So since "The Mystics" OST track is 8 minutes long, it's clearly not a concert arrangement, especially since it has a ton of other themes later in the track. But, is it possible that the first 3 minutes or so of that track is the concert arrangement, and then he just grafted some episode music onto it within the same track for... reasons? JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 12 hours ago, Bofur01 said: So we’ve had up to & including about track 26 of the OST in the show, which seems to be broadly chronological thus far, except for Nolwa Mahtar. I wonder when that is going to turn up? I would be money that Nolwa Mahtar is for the big battle scene everything is gearing up towards - maybe for Galadriel's battle charge when she leads the Numenorean army into battle. Though you'd think that moment would be scored with Galadriel's theme. McCreary said Nolwa Mahtar he wrote for a really HUGE moment that he felt couldn't use any existing theme and needed a new theme because of how impactful the scene was. 5 hours ago, Jay said: is it possible that the first 3 minutes or so of that track is the concert arrangement, and then he just grafted some episode music onto it within the same track for... reasons? I definitely think so. I think the first 3 mins is the concert arrangement and another track is spliced to it for some reason. OR Clearly the mystics and Stranger/Nori are going to end up meeting at some point, and the track scores their entire interaction but the first 3 mins is still a concert representation of the mystics' theme. Jay and Monoverantus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 So we think the melody in Nolwa Mahtar will appear in other cues as well, eventually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Episode 5: Partings Few notes after Bear's recent blog - I've now named Where The Shadows Lie as The Rings Of Power, because I believe (as many have said) that it's that theme - Halbrand is now named Halbrand/The Southlands. - Elendil And Isidulr is now named Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful - Nampat is now named Adar/Orcs And I like the Megan Richards performance of the song more than the end credits version. There's something more engaging about the first version Spoiler The Wandering Day Performed by Megan Richards. Lyrics by J.D. Payne. Melody by Plan 9. Produced, arranged and orchestrated by McCreary. The Perils Of Migration 0:06-1:46 ? (There is a recurring motif on violin, I think it’s very beautiful, but isn’t repeated again) 0:28-0:42 Nori Brandyfoot 1:57-2:08 The Stranger 2:10-2:48 The Mystics 2:51-3:32 Adar/Orcs 3:57-4:14 Halbrand/The Southlands 4:18-4:52 Arondir And Bronwyn 5:00-5:22 Sauron? 5:09-5:22 Arondir And Bronwyn 5:22-5:40 Halbrand/The Southlands 6:00-6:19 Halbrand/The Southlands Númemor Prepares 0:00-0:27 Númenor 0:28-1:12 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 1:18-1:34 Númenor 1:35-2:03 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 2:04-2:35 Halbrand/The Southlands 3:03-3:13 Galadriel 3:14-3:23 Halbrand/The Southlands 3:20-3:30 Galadriel 3:30-3:45 Halbrand/The Southlands 4:13-4:26 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 4:55-5:02 Galadriel 6:11-6:17 Galadriel 6:46-6:56 Halbrand/The Southlands 7:00-7:18 Halbrand/The Southlands Wolves 2:34-3:17 The Stranger 3:17-3:34 Nori Brandyfoot 3:36-4:02 The Stranger 4:29-4:40 Nori Brandyfoot 4:40-4:54 The Stranger 4:55-5:09 Sauron The Fading Light 0:20-0:50 Khazad-Dûm 1:49-2:22 The Rings Of Power 2:43-2:55 Elrond Half-Elven 3:02-3:27 Sauron 4:17-5:01 Elrond Half-Elven 5:04-5:26 Sauron 5:26-5:47 Elrond Half-Elven 6:22-6:53 The Rings Of Power 6:54-7:12 Elrond Half-Elven 7:28-8:12 Elrond Half-Elven The Saboteur 0:36-1:15 Númenor 1:25-1:44 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 1:48-2:20 Númenor 2:26-3:19 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 5:24-5:32 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 6:07-6:24 Númenor 7:00-7:22 Galadriel Only Blood Can Bind 0:00-0:26 Galadriel 0:27-1:00 Halbrand/The Southlands 1:23-2:06 Galadriel 2:32-2:44 Halbrand/The Southlands 2:47-3:20 Adar/Orcs 3:45-4:03 Adar/Orcs Destined For The Darkness 0:03-0:30 Arondir And Bronwyn 0:30-0:45 Sauron 0:52-1:30 Sauron 2:13-2:27 Arondir And Bronwyn 3:05-3:42 Sauron 3:52-4:42 Adar/Orcs (full chant) The Confession And Sailing Into The Dawn 0:00-0:17 Durin IV 0:18-0:54 Elrond Half-Elven 1:10-1:29 Elrond Half-Elven 1:30-2:12 Durin IV & Elrond Half-Elven play together 2:22-2:46 Halbrand/The Southlands 2:58-3:04 Halbrand/The Southlands 3:05-4:25 Númenor 4:27-5:10 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 5:14-5:57 Galadriel 5:58-6:04 Halbrand/The Southlands 6:26-7:13 Númenor The Wandering Day Performed by Janet Roddick. Lyrics by J.D. Payne. Melody by Plan 9. Produced, arranged and orchestrated by McCreary. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jay said: So we think the melody in Nolwa Mahtar will appear in other cues as well, eventually? Yes, Mcreary said he originally wrote it for his big scene that he's describing but then he loved it enough and thought - this is too good to use in only one scene and made it a theme going forward. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jay said: So we think the melody in Nolwa Mahtar will appear in other cues as well, eventually? Yes, I believe, like said before, in a battle scene or maybe a death of a character. It will be used for a major moment in the show, that it got it's own theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Why isn’t Scherzo on this weeks OST? Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Gibster said: Why isn’t Scherzo on this weeks OST? It is. It's in Númenor Prepares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 My breakddows of the coming album will come later. I've been in an accident on tuesday and am not able to look at a screen for more than 40 seconds becuaee of the concussions. I'll see you a all in a few days to weeks Chen G., Jay, TheUlyssesian and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Damn, I hope you're all right and it gets sorted out quickly Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 23/9/2022 at 3:49 PM, TheUlyssesian said: I would be money that Nolwa Mahtar is for the big battle scene everything is gearing up towards - maybe for Galadriel's battle charge when she leads the Numenorean army into battle. Though you'd think that moment would be scored with Galadriel's theme. McCreary said Nolwa Mahtar he wrote for a really HUGE moment that he felt couldn't use any existing theme and needed a new theme because of how impactful the scene was. So I was right in a way, Nolwa Mahtar was used for Galadriel’s chase of Adar. I don’t know why exactly her theme couldn’t be used but it’s a cool theme so I ain’t complaining. we’ll need to see a couple more uses to see what to associate it with. My first guess is Elvish might and determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 I updated the tracklist a bit to reflect the most recent info. 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: So I was right in a way, Nolwa Mahtar was used for Galadriel’s chase of Adar. I don’t know why exactly her theme couldn’t be used but it’s a cool theme so I ain’t complaining. On one hand, I appreciate Bear loosening up a bit with the themes, since that moment could easily have been scored with the Galadriel theme. On the other hand, considering how he hyped it up, I expected the moment to be a bit more mindblowing than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 48 minutes ago, Monoverantus said: I updated the tracklist a bit to reflect the most recent info. On one hand, I appreciate Bear loosening up a bit with the themes, since that moment could easily have been scored with the Galadriel theme. On the other hand, considering how he hyped it up, I expected the moment to be a bit more mindblowing than that. i agree, why didn’t he use it for the entire army charging? or the army over running the orcs? Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Just wanted to say thanks for the well wishes last week. I'm doing slightly better, but still not able to handle much sound or light. I've watched and listened to some stuff it bits. I think I'll do the breakdowns of episodes 6, 7 & 8 after 8 has been released. I'll feel better then and post it in one go. Hope everybody is able to wait till then. Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 On 30/09/2022 at 1:03 PM, TheUlyssesian said: So I was right in a way, Nolwa Mahtar was used for Galadriel’s chase of Adar. I don’t know why exactly her theme couldn’t be used but it’s a cool theme so I ain’t complaining. we’ll need to see a couple more uses to see what to associate it with. My first guess is Elvish might and determination. That was by far the best way to score that scene. In a way I like the fact that Bear left that last bit off Cavalry so it would be a surprise in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: I think I'll do the breakdowns of episodes 6, 7 & 8 after 8 has been released. I'll feel better then and post it in one go. Hope everybody is able to wait till then. I've been trying to make expansions on your breakdowns, though I clearly work far slower (I don't have Amazon Music). I can post them while you're recovering to ease off the pressure XD JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max 141 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I don’t believe I’ve seen anyone discuss this yet: A Tour of the Tolkien Lore in the Rings of Power Score Quote And if you’re on the hunt for Easter eggs within the Rings of Power score, McCreary adds that he did write an overt “ring theme” specifically for the show, and though it doesn’t have its own track on the soundtrack, “you have already heard it, several times.” Any guesses on where we might have heard McCreary’s One Ring theme so far? I thought “Where the Shadows Lie” might’ve been a theme for the One Ring as well as the Rings of Power, but the “doesn’t have its own track” comment rules that out, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Max said: Any guesses on where we might have heard McCreary’s One Ring theme so far? I thought “Where the Shadows Lie” might’ve been a theme for the One Ring as well as the Rings of Power, but the “doesn’t have its own track” comment rules that out, I guess. It depends a bit on how you see it. In the tracklist of the original Season 1 album, Where the Shadows Lie is referenced in tracks 20, 32 and 35, and in none of these spots does it actually play the melody itself (except track 38), just the chords with the rising half-step voicing. This is the only theme he's done this with. So to me, I think he means that the theme we've heard so many times already (the chords) doesn't have its own track, but the melody that will grow out of it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Reading the quotes literally, Bear doesn't say the theme "doesn't have its own track", the writer/interviewer does: Quote McCreary adds that he did write an overt “ring theme” specifically for the show, and though it doesn’t have its own track on the soundtrack, “you have already heard it, several times.” So perhaps this is one of those cases where because "Where The Shadows Lie" isn't titled "THE ONE RING THEME", the interviewer assumes it doesn't have a suite of its own because there doesn't appear to be from first glance? Because how is that not a Ring theme, honestly... Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 That's exactly what I think happened - the article writer didn't realize that it did have a concert arrangement on the album. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,037 Posted October 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2022 On 24/8/2022 at 3:48 PM, Monoverantus said: I can't believe it took me so long to realise that the title "Where the Shadows Lie (Instrumental)" not only implies the track has lyrics, but also gives away what they are: Got it correct word for word, congrats https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0BFW6LF2K?do=play&trackAsin=B0BFVY635Z&ref=dm_sh_btz1FSq0htB5qz7s2DFXU1WaA Monoverantus, TheUlyssesian and jpmatlack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 Just now, Gibster said: Got it correct word for word, congrats https://music.amazon.com/albums/B0BFW6LF2K?do=play&trackAsin=B0BFVY635Z&ref=dm_sh_btz1FSq0htB5qz7s2DFXU1WaA Whoa, it's out already? I don't have Amazon Music, is there another way to hear this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I clicked his link and the song just played for me. It's still playing right now Fiona Apple was a cool choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: I clicked his link and the song just played for me. It's still playing right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Weird. We don't have an Amazon Music subscription, and it just played. Maybe its a USA thing The song was really nice, I liked it a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 The FOMO is killing me, though not enough to make me give Amazon money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmatlack 29 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 It’s now Track #2 on the Season OST album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2022 Bravo @Monoverantus you got the lyrics right only from the melody! Great job. Your insight into the score has been invaluable and has gone a long way in getting us to appreciate it. Monoverantus, jpmatlack, Knight of Ren and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Bravo @Monoverantus you got the lyrics right only from the melody! Great job. Your insight into the score has been invaluable and has gone a long way in getting us to appreciate it. Thank you, that's really validating for me. I didn't know about forums like these back when Shore's LotR score was the center of discussion (mostly before Doug's book), so getting to be part of the dialogue for this one has been fun Now I really wanna hear the song though XD jpmatlack and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 I just noticed some possible theme links to Shore's work probably spotted by others here. Numenor, my favourite material, seems to borrow its first phrase or two from the scene in FotR as the boat approaches the two statues (the rising motifs before the ring theme). Sauron's theme... is it in the same key, or scale, as the original Mordor theme? I can certainly sing it along and it sounds like it fits, and this Sauron theme seems to pivot around two notes too. The Stranger's theme also pivots around two notes in the same way that Gandalf's original theme does, and one seems to fit the other as counterpoint in a similar way. Intentional? Monoverantus and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 11 hours ago, Miz said: I just noticed some possible theme links to Shore's work probably spotted by others here. While I don't begrudge anyone to point out similarities between Bear and Shore's works, I think Bear has been pretty clear that he's not actively quoting Shore's thematic material, just trying to create a sense of continuity between the scores. 11 hours ago, Miz said: Numenor, my favourite material, seems to borrow its first phrase or two from the scene in FotR as the boat approaches the two statues (the rising motifs before the ring theme). Yup, Christian brought this up! On 13/09/2022 at 1:58 PM, ChrisAfonso said: This is of course most likely a complete coincidence, but the motif at 0:46 in the posted clip bears a striking resemblance to the beginning of Bear's Númenor theme: Regarding Sauron and the Stranger, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Sauron plays in several keys, and in an entirely different scale than Shore's theme. True, The Stranger indeed includes the down-and-up "Good" motif, but this is the first time I've heard of it working as counterpoint to The White Rider. Have you heard such a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 The whole idea of a leitmotif score like Shore's is to create a lot of recurring musical phrases from a few "basic motives": if the leitmotives are molecules, the basic motives are atoms: thing like the major scale that forms the basis of all the Hobbit-related motives, or the augmented second, or the "There and Back Again" shape, or the parallel fifths, certain leaps, modal colourings, mediant chord progressions, etc... But since these scores are so sprawling, even the number of these musical "atoms" is quite large and therefore, in another sprawling score like Bear's it is inevitable that quite a few of them will be reprised. Shore doesn't have "dibs" on perfect fifths... blondheim and Monoverantus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Musical noob question... I noticed that the 7th (repeated) note in the Numenor theme is annotated with that 'b' (flat?) symbol, whereas the first one isn't. They sound the same so what does that symbol mean? More generalised notation question: the staves represent the set of notes, but even a small piano/keyboard has lots of 'sets' where some are deeper than others... if you wrote a melody which used the same note but one was really high and one really low, how do you represent that on paper? I hope that made vague sense Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: if you wrote a melody which used the same note but one was really high and one really low, how do you represent that on paper? I hope that made vague sense IIRC You just put it down really low underneath, and put a series of empty abbreviated staves, plus one underneath that note. You also have two clefs, bass and Treble. Richard Penna and Monoverantus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Musical noob question... I noticed that the 7th (repeated) note in the Numenor theme is annotated with that 'b' (flat?) symbol, whereas the first one isn't. They sound the same so what does that symbol mean? Accidentals (flats "b" and sharps "#") last until the end of the measure (the bars between every 4th note). In measure 2, the first A is flattened, so all As after the first are also flattened, but then it's reset in measure 3, so you have to put in the flat symbol again. This is a distinct differance between songs and score. Songs tend to stay in one key, so you can put all those accidentals in the start to last for the whole song (as shown below), while scores tend to switch between keys all of the time, so it's more useful to do it measure by measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Glad I'm not imagining it about Numenor. It's a pretty clear port, and thematically relevant (Argonath was built by Numenoreans), a great choice IMO. I might be imagining it about Sauron and the Stranger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Monoverantus 363 Posted October 9, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 My promised expansion on JNHFan2000's Episodic Tracklists: Episode 1: A Shadow from the Past 1. Prologue 0:00-0:19 Valinor Voices (“In the Beginning” music from now on) 0:19-0:36 Valinor Voices/orchestra 0:36-0:52 Valinor Strings 0:52-1:03 Valinor Strings 1:03-1:23 Galadriel Flute 1:23-1:51 Galadriel/Sauron Ostinato (Sauron pitches, Galadriel harmony) 1:55-1:59 Stranger winding scale? 2:06-2:15 Galadriel, flutes/strings 2:15-2:36 Galadriel harmony (Episode original) 3:13-3:40 Galadriel flutes/strings 3:40-4:13 Galadriel Horns 4:18-4:38 Sauron Ostinato 4:42-4:55 Galadriel Brass 4:51-4:59 Sauron Ostinato 4:55-5:37 Finrod battle music 5:37-5:47 Aftermath 5:47-6:13 Galadriel Woodwinds, strings (Episode original from now on) 6:13-6:32 Stuff 6:32-6:45 Sauron Ostinato 6:36-6:52 Sauron 6:55-7:03 Galadriel Horn 2. Forodwaith 0:03-0:50 Martial beat (“In the Beginning” music from now on) 0:05-0:38 Galadriel Brass, Strings 0:06-0:20 Sauron Ostinato fragments 0:35-0:58 Rising choral crescendo 0:58-1:20 Increasingly erratic Martial beat 1:00-1:11 Sauron Ostinato fragments 1:01-1:08 Galadriel hint? 1:17-1:32 Rising choral crescendo 1:32-1:44 Galadriel Brass 1:44-1:56 Martial beat (Episode original from now on) 1:44-2:04 Stuff 2:31-2:37 Orcs/Adar Muted brass 2:43-2:53 Sauron Brass 2:54-3:57 Spooky stuff 3:11-3:14 Orcs/Adar Muted brass 3:57-5:05 Suspense 4:17-4:21 Orcs/Adar Low strings 5:07-5:20 Sauron Male choir 5:45-5:55 Galadriel harmony 5:55-6:03 Galadriel Horn 6:16-6:49 Ice-Troll fight 6:20-6:34 Sauron Ostinato fragments 6:44-6:46 Orcs/Adar 6:54-7:06 Galadriel (“In the Beginning” music) 7:20-7:55 Aftermath (Episode original from now on) 7:55-8:11 Sauron Ostinato 8:04-8:11 Sauron Male choir 8:15-8:33 The Rings of Power chords 3. Beyond Our Wandering 0:18-0:30 Southlands/Halbrand hint? Nyckelharpa 0:31-1:06 Suspense 1:20-2:36 Harfoot Compound Meter (“Harfoot Life” music from now on) 1:32-2:05 Harfoot Life Bagpipes 2:20-2:36 Harfoot Life Bagpipes 2:45-3:38 Nori Brandyfoot Accompaniment (“Nori Brandyfoot” music from now on) 2:56-3:23 Nori Brandyfoot Recorder 3:38-4:05 Nori Brandyfoot Strings, Bagpipes 4:24-4:40 Suspense (Episode original from now on) 4:40-5:05 Nori Brandyfoot Accompaniment 4:53-5:05 Nori Brandyfoot Alto flute 5:11-5:18 Harfoot Life Compound Meter 5:18-5:28 Nori Brandyfoot Recorder 5:28-5:36 Nori Brandyfoot Strings 5:36-5:57 Nori Brandyfoot Accompaniment 5:42-6:03 Nori Brandyfoot Recorder 6:15-6:37 Harfoot Life 7:00-7:09 Nori Brandyfoot 7:01-7:07 Nori Brandyfoot Accompaniment 4. Return to Lindon 0:04-0:14 Elrond Half-Elven chords (“Elrond Half-Elven” music from now on) 0:14-0:34 Elrond Half-Elven Strings 0:37-0:47 Elrond Half-Elven Woodwinds/strings (Episode original) 1:07-1:21 Elrond Half-Elven Strings/brass (“Elrond Half-Elven” music) 1:21-1:27 Valinor Voices (Episode original from now on) 1:27-1:44 Galadriel Horn 1:44-2:04 Valinor Voices 2:21-2:33 Sauron Low brass 2:34-3:05 Elrond Half-Elven Low strings 5. Gil-galad’s Gift 0:00-1:07 Gil-Galad’s ceremony 1:07-1:16 Galadriel Cello 1:35-2:29 Valinor Strings, Choir 2:36-3:00 Galadriel Horn 2:54-3:03 Elrond Half-Elven Flutes 3:21-4:03 Galadriel Horn, Flute 4:53-5:50 Galadriel String harmonics, woodwinds 6. The Southlands 0:07-0:56 Southlands/Halbrand Hardanger/Nyckelharpa 0:07-0:56 Southlands/Halbrand Accompaniment 1:18-1:38 Bronwyn and Arondir Intro (“Bronwyn and Arondir” music) 1:38-2:15 Bronwyn and Arondir Oboe (Episode original from now on) 2:15-2:40 Bronwyn and Arondir Flutes 2:41-2:53 Southlands/Halbrand hint? 3:43-3:56 Southlands/Halbrand 4:20-4:30 Southlands/Halbrand Horn hint 4:30-5:03 Southlands/Halbrand Hardanger/Nyckelharpa, strings 5:40-5:53 Southlands/Halbrand Hardanger 6:03-6:30 Bronwyn and Arondir Flutes 6:46-7:26 Bronwyn and Arondir Oboe 7:31-7:40 Bronwyn and Arondir Horn 8:23-8:50 Sauron Ostinato 8:28-8:42 Sauron Brass 8:55-9:06 Sauron Male choir 9:15-9:21 Galadriel Horn 7. Strange Skies 0:08-0:30 Elrond Half-Elven Strings 1:10-1:23 The Rings of Power chords Strings/choir 1:23-1:31 Harfoot Life hint 1:23-1:43 Harfoot Life Compound Meter 1:49-2:02 Nori Brandyfoot Alto Recorder 2:30-2:42 Bronwyn and Arondir 3:09-3:26 Bronwyn and Arondir 3:27-3:44 Sauron Ostinato 8. The Boat and the Crater 0:08-0:43 Valinor Strings (“The Boat” music from now on) 0:43-0:54 Galadriel Horn 0:54-1:37 Valinor Voices 1:37-1:58 Skies Open 1:58-2:19 Valinor Voices 2:28-2:30 Comet falls (Strings going Di di di didididiiii) (longer than in “The Boat”) 3:02-3:49 Chugging strings 3:57-4:16 Sauron Ostinatio 3:59-4:16 Galadriel Brass 4:16-4:44 Triumphant music 4:44-5:23 Stuff, winding scales (Episode original from now on) 5:19-5:49 Sauron Ostinatio 5:34-5:48 The Stranger Woodwinds/Strings 9. Where the Shadows Lie (Instrumental) Same as the Season 1 album Jay, JNHFan2000 and TheUlyssesian 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Thanks. I didn't realize we already heard the Adar/Orc theme as early as Episode 1! Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 It'll be very interesting to listen back to the first couple of albums and hear hints of themes we're now really familiar with. I too had no idea we'd heard Adar's theme so early on. Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 You haven't been listening to older episode albums again as each new one comes out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I have in bits and pieces, but it's too much music to properly ingest all in one go alongside whatever the other new music I've been absorbing lately. Plus it's nicer to pace one's self in terms of getting to know the music and still having surprises to discover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 If this score were able to surprise me in any way whatsoever, I would surely be more kind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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