Edmund 19 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, blondheim said: If this score were able to surprise me in any way whatsoever, I would surely be more kind to it. @Jay, is it time to open a Rings of Power Themes APPRECIATION thread? Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Edmund said: @Jay, is it time to open a Rings of Power Themes APPRECIATION thread? Lol, y’all are so fragile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Wow, missing the joke and personally attacking people in the process, a double-whammy. If you don't like the atmosphere of this place you're welcome to leave jpmatlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Wow, missing the joke and personally attacking people in the process, a double-whammy. If you don't like the atmosphere of this place you're welcome to leave Mine was a joke too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Look man, you are completely welcome to like or not like any score and talk about it, but don't personally attack people who like a score that you don't. That's not what we do here. JNHFan2000 and jpmatlack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jay said: Look man, you are completely welcome to like or not like any score and talk about it, but don't personally attacked people who like a scor eyou don't. That's not what we do here. I didn’t attack anyone for liking or not liking anything. I made a joke about the call for another appreciation thread after I simply posted an opinion. No mention was made of anyone’s intelligence or score opinion, disparaging or otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund 19 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, blondheim said: Mine was a joke too. I didn't mind your comment, but I do mind this lame attempt to cover your tracks. What part of "Lol, y'all are so fragile" is the joke? What about it is supposed to be funny? Bounty95 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Edmund said: I didn't mind your comment, but I do mind this lame attempt to cover your tracks. What part of "Lol, y'all are so fragile" is the joke? What about it is supposed to be funny? What part of “it’s time for another appreciation thread” was a joke? It read as a simple declarative statement to me. I was trying to bring it to a funny place but truthfully I didn’t like the implication that now that another negative comment had been written we needed to make a group that doesn’t include me so you guys can appreciate it in peace. That seems not cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund 19 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 The joke is that Jay has already opened two alternative positivity threads for this score/show, and thus it's funny to imagine that he would have to open even more. Granted it is hardly the pinnacle of wit, but it is still identifiably a joke, a bar which "Lol, y'all are so fragile" fails to clear. Hell, for all you know my joke was at Jay's expense and not yours. Bounty95 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, Edmund said: The joke is that Jay has already opened two alternative positivity threads for this score/show, and thus it's funny to imagine that he would have to open even more. Yup 18 minutes ago, Edmund said: Granted it is hardly the pinnacle of wit, but it is still identifiably a joke, a bar which "Lol, y'all are so fragile" fails to clear. Yup 18 minutes ago, Edmund said: Hell, for all you know my joke was at Jay's expense and not yours. Yup 21 minutes ago, blondheim said: It read as a simple declarative statement to me. I did not. And it seems clear the poster did not intend it to be interpreted that way either. 21 minutes ago, blondheim said: I was trying to bring it to a funny place but truthfully I didn’t like the implication that now that another negative comment had been written we needed to make a group that doesn’t include me so you guys can appreciate it in peace. That seems not cool You can hate on the score freely to your heart's content in the existing threads, and others who also dislike it will probably engage with you, and you might even get people who like the score to engage with you as well, if they feel like having a little bit of the back and forth. Appreciation threads are a completely normal thing in online communities, and they they are not about excluding people, but excluding opinions - opinions which have a safe place to share, right in the same neighborhood. It's a win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 I assume the music over the titles of EP1 is gonna end up being the ring theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 That's the same ring theme mentioned in the main post that appears in many tracks, and Bear's already given two concert arrangements to (the Fiona Apple one and the instumental one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 That's why I didn't post in one of the appreciation threads. And I won't. I understand their purpose. I was laughing about how there are already two and another one is needed. The same reason for Edmund's joke "We obviously need one more" was the same reason for my own. I think if one is a joke so is the other and vice-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HunterTech 989 Posted October 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2022 I'm more just confused at this point about the observation I've made that McCreary's RoP work rubbed you the wrong way so much that you now no longer like anything from him. That's an insane degree of pettiness that even the Zimmer haters wouldn't commit to on the basis that they've liked at least one thing from him. Honestly: would you treat this music particularly differently if it was for another franchise instead? Tydirium, enderdrag64 and jpmatlack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmatlack 29 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 14 hours ago, blondheim said: Lol, y’all are so fragile This coming from the guy who was so hurt and sad and shattered because other people like different music?!?! I remember literally laughing out loud when the OST was released and @blondheim’s posts talking about how much it “stings” that other people enjoyed it… seriously. If you need a good laugh, go back and read his posts and then keep in mind that he now thinks someone else is “so fragile”… 😂😂😂 blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, jpmatlack said: This coming from the guy who was so hurt and sad and shattered because other people like different music?!?! I remember literally laughing out loud when the OST was released and @blondheim’s posts talking about how much it “stings” that other people enjoyed it… seriously. If you need a good laugh, go back and read his posts and then keep in mind that he now thinks someone else is “so fragile”… 😂😂😂 The word you’re looking for is disappointed but sure. I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 16 hours ago, blondheim said: If this score were able to surprise me in any way whatsoever, I would surely be more kind to it. Thing is, there's no need to be so 'unkind' by now. In my view either you're enjoying the score and discussing the themes and highlights, or you've decided the score isn't for you and you just let it fade into the background along with everything else with a score you don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted October 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2022 Speaking of Bear's themes, did anybody else learn for the first time via reading Bear's blog that he not only scored this trailer, but that it uses his Stranger theme? Tydirium, enderdrag64, JNHFan2000 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max 141 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Jay said: Speaking of Bear's themes, did anybody else learn for the first time via reading Bear's blog that he not only scored this trailer, but that it uses his Stranger theme? Yes, that was my first time learning that, too! I really liked the trailer music (maybe except for the big trailer-ized swell around 13 seconds in). Kinda surprised someone hadn’t noticed the theme sooner. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Cat 24 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 18 hours ago, Jay said: Speaking of Bear's themes, did anybody else learn for the first time via reading Bear's blog that he not only scored this trailer, but that it uses his Stranger theme? The weird thing is that the opening for this trailer trailer feels so much more Shorey than does almost any of Bear's actual music for the series (which I generally really like). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 19 hours ago, Jay said: Speaking of Bear's themes, did anybody else learn for the first time via reading Bear's blog that he not only scored this trailer, but that it uses his Stranger theme? In my case it was when he used the melody again in the SDCC medley, but of course we couldn't know it was The Stranger's theme until the Season 1 album was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Thanks for sharing that; I had meant to hunt down footage of that after reading about it in the blog ( I never watched it at the time) Monoverantus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I listened to that video twice now - it's pretty cool! Pretty fun little highlights arrangement. The sound quality is so crummy, I'd kill to hear a proper recording without all the audience noise, if one even exists! In the meantime, I wonder if one could approximate that suite by editing together bits from the albums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 I could be wrong, but I think that's the only time he put The Stranger in 4/4... Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Looks like The Mystics was indeed just an episode 8 track, but the first parts were taken from the earlier appearances of the Mystics Theme (Extinguished Torch, Encountering Servants) Though I am sure there is some album-only material in there to bridge the gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 So, the Adar/Orcs, Bronwyn/Arondir, Khazad-dûm, and Durin IV themes all do not appear in Episode 8 at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 So now that the season is over - anyone discover any other motifs or themes besides the 17 we have been discussing? The only other motif I have noticed is this forging motif that I think occurs a couple of times in the last episode. Any others? 1 hour ago, Jay said: So, the Adar/Orcs, Bronwyn/Arondir, Khazad-dûm, and Durin IV themes all do not appear in Episode 8 at all? I would presume so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Themes that appear in all 8 episodes Galadriel Sauron Halbrand/Southlands Themes that appear in 7 episodes Adar/Orcs (not in episode 8) Bronwyn/Arondir (not in episode 8) Númenor (not in episode 1) Themes that appear in 6 episodes Nori (not in episodes 4 or 6) Elrond (not in episodes 3 or 6) The Stranger (not in episodes 4 or 6) The Rings (not in episodes 3 or 6) Elendil/Isildur (not in episodes 1 or 2) Themes that appear in 4 episodes Harfoot (episodes 1,3,7,8) Khazad-dûm (episodes 2,4,5,7) Durin IV (episodes 2,4,5,7) Themes that appear in 3 episodes The Mystics (episodes 5,7,8) Themes that appear in 2 episodes Valinor (episodes 1 and 8) Themes that appear in 1 episode Nolwa Mahtar (is it really fair to call this a "theme"?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I think a theme can be a theme even if it is in one scene. I would call You Are The Pan a theme in Hook or Jedi Steps a theme in Force Awakens. And if you give the composer a say, then yes Nolwa Mahtar would be a theme. He even included it in the ROP overture, so i think its safe to call it a theme. --- The only theme which I wonder was it worth while to create a theme was The Mystics. They appear in literally 3 sequences if I am not mistaken and their theme in used in those sequences. Maybe it could have been scored with the Sauran Ostinato. Might have been a good mis direct too. Because The Mystics theme is going to die now. Unless there are more of them. All other themes will survive and go forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I think a theme can be a theme even if it is in one scene. I know a lot of people feel that way, and I respect that opinion, but for me personally it has never made sense. All film scores contain melodies that used one time then never again. It doesn't make sense to me to pick one and say: This is a theme! A theme is a melody used in more than one cue, for me. 21 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I would call You Are The Pan a theme in Hook or Jedi Steps a theme in Force Awakens. "You Are The Pan" is an album track that contains 2 cues, from 2 different parts of the movie (12M4 You Are The Pan followed by 7M6/8M1 The Face Of Pan)... that each use the same theme! I don't think anybody would try to argue that this is not a theme! Jedi Steps I would argue was not a theme until The Last Jedi made it one 21 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: And if you give the composer a say, then yes Nolwa Mahtar would be a theme. He even included it in the ROP overture, so i think its safe to call it a theme. Oh I know Bear considers it one of his 17 themes. As soon as it shows up in a Season 2 cue, I'll agree with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Is a character not a character if they only appear once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Again, I understand people who view things differently, it just doesn't work for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,957 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I'm very happy he composed a theme for The Mystics. It's a great theme and fits them very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I know a lot of people feel that way, and I respect that opinion, but for me personally it has never made sense. All film scores contain melodies that used one time then never again. It doesn't make sense to me to pick one and say: This is a theme! A theme is a melody used in more than one cue, for me. "You Are The Pan" is an album track that contains 2 cues, from 2 different parts of the movie (12M4 You Are The Pan followed by 7M6/8M1 The Face Of Pan)... that each use the same theme! I don't think anybody would try to argue that this is not a theme! Jedi Steps I would argue was not a theme until The Last Jedi made it one Oh I know Bear considers it one of his 17 themes. As soon as it shows up in a Season 2 cue, I'll agree with him it’s an unusual thought. if I can get more specific, the actual meaning of theme is “melody” to technically any melody qualifies as a theme if you were so inclined. Not there is the issue of motifs. In common parlance, people would call a motif basic a shorter musical figure of some kind. motifs sometimes appear in a single scene but are classified as such. For example the decision motif in The Post, only appears in the scene where Streep decides to publish. cue is not a movie term, it is a technical term that exists only because of how movies are scored and how scores are regarded. so I think the correct base or signifier would be a scene or a sequence. Now the question to ask would be if a melody is repeated within a single scene/sequence- does it qualify as a theme or motif? i think that’s a definition that most could work with, that there is at least one repition, even if it is within a single scene - like the Asteroid Belt from 5 or they fly now from 9. Personally I might allow for even an unrepeated melody to be considered a theme but that’s the most inclusive criterion. as a compromise, I think a definition where a melody is repeated anywhere - even be it in a single scene/sequence should qualify. Nolwa and Jedi steps do repeat their melody in the scene in which they appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 That's actually a good point, when a melody is used a bunch of times in a single cue, it can definitely make sense to consider it a theme. Like Williams giving a concert arrangement to Here They Come, Asteroid Field, Battle in the Forest, etc, as the cues already had that strong melodic hook to base a whole concert arrangment on. I do think we'll hear Nolwa Mahtar again in season 2 next time Galadriel takes off to do something heroic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 On 14/10/2022 at 1:56 PM, TheUlyssesian said: The only other motif I have noticed is this forging motif that I think occurs a couple of times in the last episode. Any others? Timestamps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Shows you how much I was actually properly enjoying episode 8 that I completely failed to notice Sauron and Halbrand's themes playing against each other in The Broken Line And Broken Silence. That theme is just pure evil particularly with the final chord at 4:58 in True Creation. (timestamp in reference to the part of the theme, not just that track) Is the choral statement at 5:20 meant to be a sort of darker version of the first three notes of his 'Halbrand' theme? I'm not sure whether the bit after at 5:30 is a thematic reference or just a general 'evil' crescendo. Together with the absolutely magnificent Wise One and the gentle introduction of the full 'rings' theme in True Creation, along with the Stranger given a workout in the Mystic sequence, I see what you mean about this episode being a thematic tour-de-force. It's a very focused episode, musically, and as you said before, Numenor barely features - such a climb down in prominence from episode 3 and the Southlands siege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 18/10/2022 at 9:02 AM, Jay said: Timestamps? The forging motif can be heard at the following points in the track True Creation Requires Sacrifice on Amazon Music. It has the form of a dramatic racing ostinato. 1:47 prominent statements 2:46 halting statements 3:01 prominent statements 3:52 slowed down statement 5:15 prominent statements It is actually heard throughout the cue, sometimes under the the Rings of power theme. I would expect it to be heard for the forging of the 7 dwarf rings, 9 men rings and the one ring. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Interesting! I'll listen to that track in a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Ahhhh, now I see what you're talking about! I have liked this "theme" since I first heard the initial score album, but I don't think it's an 18th major theme or anything, it's more of an ostinato-y idea to tease the arrival of the main Rings theme (which sometimes never comes). In the main post of this thread, this musical idea is called "The Rings of Power Arpeggio" and it also runs through the first 2 minutes of "Perilous Whisperings", leading into Halbrand's theme at one point! A slightly different version of it is also in "In The Mines" at 1:48 that's pretty cool. I betcha Bear will talk about this in his episode blogs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Jay said: Ahhhh, now I see what you're talking about! I have liked this "theme" since I first heard the initial score album, but I don't think it's an 18th major theme or anything, it's more of an ostinato-y idea to tease the arrival of the main Rings theme (which sometimes never comes). In the main post of this thread, this musical idea is called "The Rings of Power Arpeggio" and it also runs through the first 2 minutes of "Perilous Whisperings", leading into Halbrand's theme at one point! A slightly different version of it is also in "In The Mines" at 1:48 that's pretty cool. I betcha Bear will talk about this in his episode blogs... I’d call it a motif, rather than a theme. Does it appear away from the Rings Of Power theme or always in conjunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Okay - I figured it out I think. Here's what I think. The Forging Motif is indeed a net new motif. And while not a full blown theme - it can definitely be categorized as its own leitmotif. Below is my analysis. @Monoverantus has categorized 12 instance of The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios. I have split them into two groups - Motif A & Motif B. Motif A - On 19/08/2022 at 7:06 PM, Monoverantus said: 20. The Secrets of the Mountain 0:58-1:09 The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios Choir 32. In the Mines 1:48-2:14 The Rings of Power/Arpeggios Choir 4:52-5:07 The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios Choir 35. Perilous Whisperings 1:52-2:08 The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios Strings 2:08-2:16 The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios Choir/strings Motif B - On 19/08/2022 at 7:06 PM, Monoverantus said: 35. Perilous Whisperings 0:08-0:24 The Rings of Power Arpeggios Choir/strings 0:38-1:15 The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios Choir/strings 38. True Creation Requires Sacrifice 1:47-2:32 The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios Choir/strings 2:45-3:00 The Rings of Power Arpeggios Strings 3:00-3:33 The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios Strings/brass 3:51-4:17 The Rings of Power Arpeggios Slower strings 5:15-5:35 The Rings of Power Arpeggios Strings Motif A & Motif B are NOT the same. They should not be categorized together. Motif A is indeed a part of the Rings Of Power Theme. It is the first thing you hear in the concert suite. So Motif A IMHO should be named The Rings of Power Chords. That would be appropriate and not The Rings of Power Chords/Arpeggios. Now Motif B - This is an arpeggio but this is not the same as the Rings of Power theme and is not a part of that theme nor does it derive from it nor does it feature in its the concert suite. It appears ONLY in Episode 8, only in conjunction to the forging activity. I would thus classify it as a net new motif. (We know Bear is not opposed to writing a new motif if he thinks it is an especially important scene or action as he did with Nolwa Mathor when he could have used Galadriel). The new motif appears at the points indicated above in Perilous Whisperings and True Creation Requires Sacrifice. It should be called either Forging Motif or Forging Arpeggio. So yes, Motif A is NOT the same as Motif B. And they should be identified with different names. I hope this makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I agree completely that it is not the same thing as what he calls the Rings Of Power chords, for sure! But what about the bit in In The Mines @ 1:48? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I agree completely that it is not the same thing as what he calls the Rings Of Power chords, for sure! But what about the bit in In The Mines @ 1:48? That's a scene specific dramatic counterpoint. It is for the scene where Durin and Disa discover that Gil-Galad's story is true and mithril indeed cures dying/fading beings when the mithril next to the leaf cures it. So yes, the Rings of Power Chords do play over it - but to score the dramatic discovery, Bear writes this scene specific dramatic counterpoint to the Rings of Power Chords to make it more dramatic. This counterpoint is not a motif it is just a scene specific thing. It should also dispel any notion that Bear is copy pasting his themes all over the epsiodes. This is just one of the several examples that no, he was actually scoring the scenes, adapting his themes to the scenes and even writing additional scene specific figures for some moments and overlaying them on top of his regular themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 OK I'll have to listen again because I thought the bit in In the Mines sounded like the forging theme / Motif B, but maybe I was hearing things that aren't there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I don't have a piano anymore so I can't transcribe the two. But our more musically literate friends, can anyone transcribe the Forging Motif from Perilous Whisperings and True Creation Requires Sacrifice. And also transcribe the counterpoint line at 1:48 in In the Mines and see if they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 Sorry that I've not posted in a while, I've been working on my Main Titles video. I'm 99% done and hope to release it tomorrow. This is my best attempt at the arpeggios from In the Mines: And these are the arpeggios you call the Forging motif: I'm still sceptical to calling these separate motifs. Unless you're Shore, an arpeggio is usually just an embellishment of a chord. In all these cases, the Rings of Power chords are central. To me, it's more about a progression. At first the Rings of Power and mithril is only hinted at, so we just get the small six-note motif for choir and high strings. When we finally see mithril, it's invigorated with arpeggios. But they're rather static, emphasising repeated thirds. It's not until the idea for the alloy is presented that the arpeggios get their steady flowing form, which is a classic Hollywood-scoring trope for discovery and excitement. This leads into the entrance of the Where the Shadows Lie melody, completing the theme's transformation. That's my take on it anyway. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I guess by the time Bear gets to his blog on episode 8 we'll understand it Until then I'm pretty comfortable thinking of the Forging Theme as a separate theme from the Rings theme. It could recur in each season finale as they make the dwarven, men, and one rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 On 11/09/2022 at 9:37 AM, JNHFan2000 said: Episode 1: A Shadow Of The Past Reveal hidden contents Prologue 0:00-1:10 Valinor 1:03-1:23 Galadriel 2:06-2:16 Galadriel 3:14-4:16 Galadriel 4:17-4:37 Sauron 4:37-5:00 Galadriel 5:47-6:14 Galadriel 6:32-6:52 Sauron 6:56-7:02 Galadriel Forodwaith 0:05-0:58 Galadriel 1:01-1:08 Galadriel 1:32-1:44 Galadriel 2:39-2:55 Sauron 3:36-3:44 Sauron 4:36-4:42 Sauron 5:07-5:44 Sauron 5:55-6:13 Galadriel 6:54-7:20 Galadriel 7:55-8:12 Sauron Beyond Our Wandering 0:18-0:26 Halbrand? 1:20-2:40 Harfoot Life 2:45-4:25 Nori Brandyfoot 4:40-5:07 Nori Brandyfoot 5:11-5:18 Harfoot Life 5:18-6:15 Nori Brandyfoot 6:15-6:37 Harfoot Life 7:00-7:17 Nori Brandyfoot Return To Lindon 0:04-1:21 Elrond Half-Elven 1:22-1:27 Valinor 1:27-1:44 Galadriel 1:44-2:06 Valinor 2:06-2:20 Elrond Half-Elven 2:21-2:33 Sauron 2:34-3:03 Elrond Half-Elven Gil-Galad’s Gift 1:07-1:16 Galadriel 1:34-2:29 Valinor 2:36-3:00 Galadriel 2:54-3:01 Elrond Half-Elven 3:21-3:59 Galadriel 4:54-5:50 Galadriel The Southlands 0:07-0:56 Halbrand 1:18-2:46 Arondir And Bronwyn 2:41-2:53 Halbrand 3:41-3:58 Halbrand 4:20-5:03 Halbrand 5:40-5:53 Halbrand 6:03-6:30 Arondir And Bronwyn 6:46-7:26 Arondir And Bronwyn 7:31-7:40 Arondir And Bronwyn 8:23-9:06 Sauron 9:15-9:21 Galadriel Strange Skies 0:08-0:58 Elrond Half-Elven 1:11-1:23 Where The Shadows Lie 1:23-1:44 Harfoot Life 1:49-2:20 Nori Brandyfoot 2:30-3:26 Arondir And Bronwyn 3:26-3:44 Sauron The Boat And The Crater 0:07-0:43 Valinor 0:44-0:54 Galadriel 0:55-1:37 Valinor 1:58-2:19 Valinor 3:59-4:16 Galadriel 4:57-5:50 Sauron 5:34-5:50 The Stranger Where The Shadows Lie (Instrumental) Theme suite (see original post) And I agree, this has to become a song at some point. Maybe not sung in English, but there is to much coincidence On 17/09/2022 at 7:54 AM, JNHFan2000 said: Episode 2: Adrift Reveal hidden contents Carrying A Giant 0:05-0:25 Galadriel 0:39-1:00 The Stranger 1:09-1:32 The Stranger 1:43-2:01 The Stranger 2:04-2:29 Nori Brandyfoot 3:12-4:04 Nori Brandyfoot 5:04-5:32 The Stranger 5:33-6:27 Nori Brandyfoot Celebrimbor’s Ambition 0:29-1:36 Where The Shadows Lie 2:08-2:25 Where The Shadows Lie 2:45-3:49 Khazad-Dûm Into Khazad-Dûm 0:00-0:28 Elrond Half-Elven 0:35-2:02 Khazad-Dûm 2:16-2:26 Khazad-Dûm 2:30-3:02 Durin IV 3:20-3:32 Durin IV 3:40-4:38 Khazad-Dûm 4:07-4:13 Durin IV 4:44-5:23 Elrond Half-Elven 4:59-5:18 Durin IV (rhythm, in counterpoint) 5:25-6:07 Durin IV Offering Snails 0:00-1:13 The Stranger 1:14-1:27 Nori Brandyfoot (rhythm) 1:38-2:37 The Stranger 2:51-3:15 The Stranger 3:51-3:59 Nori Brandyfoot 3:58-4:21 The Stranger Adrift 0:06-0:20 Galadriel 1:08-1:16 Halbrand 3:21-3:31 Galadriel (rhythm) 4:03-4:48 Halbrand Durin And His Family 0:00-0:30 Durin IV 0:47-3:30 Durin IV (different tempos and variations) On The Raft 0:16-0:23 Halbrand 0:42-1:00 Galadriel 2:02-2:20 Halbrand 2:24-2:55 Sauron 3:20-3:45 Galadriel 4:06-4:31 Galadriel 4:31-4:50 Halbrand From Under The Floorboards 0:00-0:30 Halbrand 0:51-1:01 Sauron 1:44-2:00 Sauron 2:00-2:14 Arondir And Bronwyn 2:26-2:36 Arondir And Bronwyn 3:59-4:07 Arondir And Bronwyn 4:55-5:02 Arondir And Bronwyn 6:06-6:16 Sauron 6:29-6:32 Adar (It’s played higher, so I’m not sure. But it would make sense in context) 6:52-7:02 Sauron 7:05-7:17 Arondir And Bronwyn Constellation Of Fireflies 0:08-0:37 The Stranger 0:38-0:55 Nori Brandyfoot 1:22-3:23 The Stranger 3:25-3:36 Sauron 3:39-3:44 Durin IV 3:45-4:54 Khazad-Dûm 3:58-4:04 Durin IV 4:43-5:10 Where The Shadows Lie Bloodthirst 0:28-1:21 Sauron 1:38-2:00 Númenor On 17/09/2022 at 9:46 AM, JNHFan2000 said: Episode 3: Adar Reveal hidden contents Into Númenor 0:12-0:57 Númenor 1:02-1:14 Númenor 1:33-5:18 Númenor 3:33-4:04 Galadriel 4:32-4:36 Halbrand 5:39-6:01 Númenor 6:02-6:21 Halbrand 7:00-7:14 Númenor 7:17-7:40 Halbrand 7:49-7:59 Galadriel The Tests Of Isildur And Earien 0:13-0:41 Elendil And Isildur 1:47-3:58 Elendil And Isildur (Different tempos and variations) 4:22-4:39 Númenor 4:40-5:46 Elendil And Isildur In The Trench 0:17-0:46 Adar 1:17-1:27 Adar 1:35-2:23 Adar 2:28-2:51 Adar 3:10-3:47 Requiem (full performance in A Plea To The Rocks) Not sure, I could be wrong. 3:54-4:28 Arondir And Bronwyn To The Hall Of Lore 0:16-0:26 Galadriel 0:56-1:03 Galadriel 1:03-1:38 Elendil And Isildur 1:48-2:30 Númenor 1:31-2:59 Galadriel 3:18-3:49 Halbrand The Successor 0:18-0:54 Galadriel 0:59-1:32 Elendil And Isildur 1:58-3:25 Sauron Nobody Walks Alone 0:00-1:57 Harfoot Life 2:23-3:30 Harfoot Life 3:32-3:39 Nori Brandyfoot 3:53-3:59 Nori Brandyfoot 4:51-5:29 Nori Brandyfoot 5:30-5:48 Harfoot Life We Wait For You 0:44-1:37 Harfoot Life 1:38-2:11 The Stranger 2:11-2:25 Harfoot Life 2:35-3:00 The Stranger 3:40-3:50 Nori Brandyfoot 4:04-5:48 Harfoot Life 4:48-5:41 Nori Brandyfoot 5:45-5:59 The Stranger Both Our Bloodlines 0:00-1:19 Halbrand 1:44-2:02 Galadriel 2:11-3:03 Númenor 3:05-3:39 Harfoot Life 3:36-3:53 Nori Brandyfoot 4:07-4:39 The Stranger 4:44-5:25 Nori Brandyfoot Breaking Chains 0:32-0:38 Adar 1:04-1:16 Arondir And Bronwyn 1:55-2:01 Arondir And Bronwyn 2:18-2:27 Adar 2:32-2:39 Arondir And Bronwyn 2:49-2:57 Arondir And Bronwyn 3:00-3:25 Requiem (full performance in A Plea To The Rocks) Not sure I could be wrong 3:36-4:12 Adar Street Musicians 0:00-0:38 Halbrand 0:39-2:12 Elendil And Isildur 2:13-3:36 ? On 17/09/2022 at 11:03 AM, JNHFan2000 said: Episode 4: The Great Wave Reveal hidden contents Civil Unrest In The Island Kingdom 0:00-0:46 Númenor 1:04-1:35 Númenor 1:39-1:55 Númenor 1:56-2:06 Elendil And Isildur 2:16-3:27 Númenor 4:05-5:15 Númenor 5:26-6:45 Elendil And Isildur 6:52-7:04 Galadriel 7:13-7:30 Númenor 7:36-7:50 Sauron 8:19-8:30 Galadriel 8:43-9:35 Elendil And Isildur Adar Lord-Father 0:27-1:37 Adar 1:58-2:28 Adar 2:48-3:45 Adar 3:46-4:25 Halbrand A New Ore 0:11-0:29 Elrond Half-Elven 1:13-1:33 Durin IV 2:02-2:43 Durin IV 3:12-3:25 Khazad-Dûm 4:13-4:42 Khazad-Dûm 4:59-5:26 Durin IV 5:31-5:54 Khazad-Dûm 5:56-6:04 Elrond Half-Elven 6:05-6:22 Durin IV 6:29-7:05 Where The Shadows Lie 7:13-7:27 Khazad-Dûm 7:28-7:45 Where The Shadows Lie? 7:59-8:19 Durin IV The King In The Tower 0:02-0:27 Númenor (rhythm) 1:06-2:07 Elendil And Isildur 2:19-2:25 Galadriel 3:07-3:23 Númenor 3:49-4:14 Númenor 4:56-5:04 Galadriel 5:38-5:56 Númenor 6:29-6:43 Númenor 6:54-7:22 Galadriel Theo In The Shadows 0:04-0:10 Halbrand 2:27-2:37 Sauron 3:31-3:42 Halbrand 6:21-6:30 Arondir And Bronwyn A Plea To The Rocks (feat. Sophia Nomvete) 0:00-2:06 Requiem 2:06-3:47 A Plea To The Rocks Father Figures 0:31-1:16 Elrond Half-Elven 1:36-2:32 Durin IV 2:40-5:00 Khazad-Dûm (few different variation) 4:35-4:59 Where The Shadows Lie 5:06-5:41 Arondir And Bronwyn 5:56-6:25 Halbrand 6:36-6:55 Halbrand 7:32-8:09 Sauron White Leaves 0:21-1:25 Galadriel 1:27-1:42 Númenor 2:04-2:54 Elendil And Isildur 3:10-3:56 Númenor 3:54-4:07 Galadriel 4:08-4:24 Númenor 4:30-5:14 Númenor On 23/09/2022 at 4:02 PM, JNHFan2000 said: Episode 5: Partings Reveal hidden contents The Wandering Day Performed by Megan Richards. Lyrics by J.D. Payne. Melody by Plan 9. Produced, arranged and orchestrated by McCreary. The Perils Of Migration 0:06-1:46 ? (There is a recurring motif on violin, I think it’s very beautiful, but isn’t repeated again) 0:28-0:42 Nori Brandyfoot 1:57-2:08 The Stranger 2:10-2:48 The Mystics 2:51-3:32 Adar/Orcs 3:57-4:14 Halbrand/The Southlands 4:18-4:52 Arondir And Bronwyn 5:00-5:22 Sauron? 5:09-5:22 Arondir And Bronwyn 5:22-5:40 Halbrand/The Southlands 6:00-6:19 Halbrand/The Southlands Númemor Prepares 0:00-0:27 Númenor 0:28-1:12 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 1:18-1:34 Númenor 1:35-2:03 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 2:04-2:35 Halbrand/The Southlands 3:03-3:13 Galadriel 3:14-3:23 Halbrand/The Southlands 3:20-3:30 Galadriel 3:30-3:45 Halbrand/The Southlands 4:13-4:26 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 4:55-5:02 Galadriel 6:11-6:17 Galadriel 6:46-6:56 Halbrand/The Southlands 7:00-7:18 Halbrand/The Southlands Wolves 2:34-3:17 The Stranger 3:17-3:34 Nori Brandyfoot 3:36-4:02 The Stranger 4:29-4:40 Nori Brandyfoot 4:40-4:54 The Stranger 4:55-5:09 Sauron The Fading Light 0:20-0:50 Khazad-Dûm 1:49-2:22 The Rings Of Power 2:43-2:55 Elrond Half-Elven 3:02-3:27 Sauron 4:17-5:01 Elrond Half-Elven 5:04-5:26 Sauron 5:26-5:47 Elrond Half-Elven 6:22-6:53 The Rings Of Power 6:54-7:12 Elrond Half-Elven 7:28-8:12 Elrond Half-Elven The Saboteur 0:36-1:15 Númenor 1:25-1:44 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 1:48-2:20 Númenor 2:26-3:19 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 5:24-5:32 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 6:07-6:24 Númenor 7:00-7:22 Galadriel Only Blood Can Bind 0:00-0:26 Galadriel 0:27-1:00 Halbrand/The Southlands 1:23-2:06 Galadriel 2:32-2:44 Halbrand/The Southlands 2:47-3:20 Adar/Orcs 3:45-4:03 Adar/Orcs Destined For The Darkness 0:03-0:30 Arondir And Bronwyn 0:30-0:45 Sauron 0:52-1:30 Sauron 2:13-2:27 Arondir And Bronwyn 3:05-3:42 Sauron 3:52-4:42 Adar/Orcs (full chant) The Confession And Sailing Into The Dawn 0:00-0:17 Durin IV 0:18-0:54 Elrond Half-Elven 1:10-1:29 Elrond Half-Elven 1:30-2:12 Durin IV & Elrond Half-Elven play together 2:22-2:46 Halbrand/The Southlands 2:58-3:04 Halbrand/The Southlands 3:05-4:25 Númenor 4:27-5:10 Elendil And Isildur/The Faithful 5:14-5:57 Galadriel 5:58-6:04 Halbrand/The Southlands 6:26-7:13 Númenor The Wandering Day Performed by Janet Roddick. Lyrics by J.D. Payne. Melody by Plan 9. Produced, arranged and orchestrated by McCreary. These posts are so great - are you planning on making them for episodes 6-8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I listened through the ep albums in two goes initially, but that was too much and I couldn't concentrate on them fully. I've been going through them one album per evening, on the 6th one now, these breakdowns have been insanely helpful to recognise and memorise the themes and guide me through! Probably extra for me since I've only seen the first 3 eps and vaguely know what happens in the others from comments. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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