Williams debuts "Helena's Theme" from Indiana Jones 5 at the Hollywood Bowl

[Jay 35,467]

 

 

 

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WHAT!!?!? 

 

Wow!!!  

 

It's absolutely gorgeous, a classic Hollywood theme from the Golden age of film scoring. It sounds like Williams has been quite inspired by whatever he's seen in this film.

 

This also leans into the film noir flavour of Irina's theme from KOCS, though sweeter and less femme fatale. 

[Incanus 5,669]

OOoh! What is this Golden Age goodness! 

 

P.S. There is second part of the recording on the same Twitter account.

 

[BB-8 3,017]

Vienna - Korngold - Hollywood

 

Pure gold!

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[Dr. Know 310]

• And I was there!  What a thrill. And Johnny said he would like to come back at 100.

[Jay 35,467]

Oh he better play this Sunday night!

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His speech is included here! 

[JonathanAsh 80]

Gorgeous!

I love how there’s that subtle nod to Marion’s Theme near the end, where the violins end on the vi chord, the celli soar up with that arpeggio and then the violins try again to land back home, just like at the end of Marion’s Theme. 

[Remco 685]

33 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

His speech is included here! 

 

3:56 I wonder what that Marion's Theme quote is about!!

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1 minute ago, JonathanAsh said:

Gorgeous!

I love how there’s that subtle nod to Marion’s Theme near the end, where the violins end on the vi chord, the celli soar up with that arpeggio and then the violins try again to land back home, just like at the end of Marion’s Theme. 

 

Is this a possible hint at her relationship to Indy? Any other interesting musical connections to existing themes? 

[Jay 35,467]

I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out...

[Remco 685]

8 minutes ago, JonathanAsh said:

Gorgeous!

I love how there’s that subtle nod to Marion’s Theme near the end, where the violins end on the vi chord, the celli soar up with that arpeggio and then the violins try again to land back home, just like at the end of Marion’s Theme. 

You beat me to it!

[Manakin Skywalker 4,690]

14 minutes ago, Remco said:

3:56 I wonder what that Marion's Theme quote is about!!

 

Marion shows back up. They find themselves in yet another sinkhole...

 

"She's your daughter."

[Obi 396]

Oh, WOW !!! Im already in love !

[MaxTheHouseelf 319]

The ‚Marions theme‘ signature sound is definitely all over this piece, not just in the end. It’s a beautiful theme!

[EhTar 63]

Fantastic piece ! I really love the film noir aspect of it. So gorgeous too !

Thank you for such a sharing.

[JNHFan2000 2,396]

This is gorgeous. Of course, I did not expect anything else with Williams. But like many have said it's like it comes out of a film from the Golden Age.

 

Can't wait to hear it in context

[artguy360 1,794]

Wow! I'm overwhelmed by it. It is both  golden age theme and also signature JW. The flute ending is classic. It's gonna take me a few more listens to nail down the main melody, but the music sounds lovely immediately. The Marion theme quite is so interesting with story Implications. Thank you for sharing. What a gift! 

[Jaaaackified 77]

so we currently have no idea who plays Helena and who Helena is in the story, and Mangold still is willing to let JW debut a this new character theme with some apparent nod to another iconic theme in the same franchise. 

Isn't lucasfilm/disney notorious for shutting down any potential possibility of spoiler?

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15 minutes ago, Jaaaackified said:

Mangold still is willing to let JW debut a this new character theme with some apparent nod to another iconic theme in the same franchise. 

 

Well everyone heard allusions to the Emperor's Theme in Rey's Theme after hearing TFA and look how that--

 

...

 

Nevermind.

[GerateWohl 3,766]

53 minutes ago, Jay said:

I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out...

When was the last time, that a film score even got composed one year before the movie came out?

[Luke Skywalker 1,702]

4 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

When was the last time, that a film score even got composed one year before the movie came out?

Jurassic world dominion?

 

giacchino also debuted batman theme years before the films release…

 

:p

[rough cut 1,653]

Beautiful!!!

 

I love the little phrases lifted from Marion’s Theme. 

 

I’m a little bit worried we’ll never get a piece like this again from John when he retires from film scoring.

[Luke Skywalker 1,702]

Could the marion quote be for the end credits bridge from helenas theme to raiders march? 
 

very nice theme. Maybe she is the main archeological antagonist. I dont think there would be a family relation to marion… Why would marion keep her a secret? Maybe to hide the twins from the emperor…? 😅

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Surely they wouldn't recycle the lost child route after KOCS.

 

Bit awkward if Marion had yet another secret child and didn't mention it to Indy after marrying him 

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,347]

Damn that's such a beautiful piece. So glad that Mangold asked Williams to play it, I wish I would be there to hear it live.

[Luke Skywalker 1,702]

7 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Surely they wouldn't recycle the lost child route after KOCS.

 

Bit awkward if Marion had yet another secret child and didn't mention it to Indy after marrying him 

Maybe she is mutts daughter voyaging from the future to save her grandfather

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Is Helena a common name from that era anyway? Sounds much more older fashioned. 

[Luke Skywalker 1,702]

Could be antonio banderas daughter. Both could be greek

 

[Amer 2,009]

What a neat idea!

 

I had hoped that this would have happend. I think it’s the first time Williams has allowed a film piece to premiere in advance since he did Hedwigs Theme from the first Harry Potter film (pls do correct me if it happend again after that film)

 

 

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Mangold speaks! 

 

 

[TownerFan 4,981]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out...

I don’t have memory of anything by JW being premiered in concert with such advance. The closest thing is when he performed an earlier version of “Hedwig’s Theme” at Tanglewood in July 2001.

[artguy360 1,794]

Listening to JW's salute to film composers right after this brings out all the golden age inspiration in it.

[Fabulin 3,469]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out...

 

5 minutes ago, TownerFan said:

I don’t have memory of anything by JW being premiered in concert with such advance. The closest thing is when he performed an earlier version of “Hedwig’s Theme” at Tanglewood in July 2001.

 

This is rare not just for Williams but for any composer. A piece from a film score premiered live in a large concert way before the film's premiere? This just does not happen!

 

Note: There was also the Kenobi piece performed at the Star Wars celebration.

[Miguel Andrade 1,172]

5 minutes ago, TownerFan said:

I don’t have memory of anything by JW being premiered in concert with such advance. The closest thing is when he performed an earlier version of “Hedwig’s Theme” at Tanglewood in July 2001.

 

Yes, that's the only one I can think of.

 

The only other occasion that comes to mind was Michael Gore's music to "Defending your Life" that was re-recorded by John Mauceri and the Hollywood Bowl ahead of the soundtrack release.

[TownerFan 4,981]

And even that technically wasn’t a full disclosure as the theme already debuted in the teaser trailer earlier the same year.

[bollemanneke 3,172]

Wow! So much better than that Obi theme! 

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,347]

Just realizing that LucasFilms seems to be getting extra-care of its music since the past year: first Haab's soundtrack, then Solo's Expansion, then the Rogue One's one, then the premiere of Obi-Wan, then Griskey's soundtrack, then Willow and now this. The expansions of SW and Indiana Jones could really be happening in not so long

[Jaaaackified 77]

19 minutes ago, Fabulin said:

 

 

This is rare not just for Williams but for any composer. A piece from a film score premiered live in a large concert way before the film's premiere? This just does not happen!

 

Note: There was also the Kenobi piece performed at the Star Wars celebration.

 

IIRC Brian Tyler debuted his Now You See Me fanfare ahead of the release of NYSM2 in his film music concert in London, but that may be only a few weeks ahead

[Fabulin 3,469]

 

[artguy360 1,794]

Listening to this makes me curious about the tone and style of the movie.

 

I'm glad it's such a full theme, full of exploration of the main melody. I found Obi Wan to be too slight. This is a well rounded JW theme.

[michael_grig 453]

I love this piece, it has that bittersweet classic Hollywood character.

The use of the Lydian mode at the beginning and end is very similar to the friendship theme from TROS. (0:35 and 1:16)

 

 

 

It also has some great impressionistic traits like this progression:

[crocodile 7,733]

This is really nice. I really like it.

 

James Mangold is quite a classy and cultured guy. I hope he treats Williams' music with respect it deserves. 

 

Karol

[Nick1Ø66 4,084]

Wow, that was gorgeous. One of the most beautiful things I've heard from Williams in years. I loved every minute of it, and the hint's of Marion's theme...chills. And it definitely gives off the old-time Hollywood vibe, especially early going. All that's missing is the popping sound from the film reel. 

 

 

[Fabulin 3,469]

14 minutes ago, Michael Grigorowitsch said:

The use of the Lydian mode at the beginning and end is very similar to the friendship theme from TROS. (0:35 and 1:16)

Yes! The friendship theme immediately sprang to mind after I heard Helena's. It gives the score a sense of progression from TROS.

I've really liked the style of TROS so here's hope more similarities are underway  

[Incanus 5,669]

Williams is such a master at fusing the Golden Age Hollywood sound with his own and making it so thoroughly and effortlessly his own. He is indeed the successor of those early film music giants and as Mangold says it that above tweet, bringing this particular pure symphony orchestra sound to modern audiences. Such a gorgeous theme.

[Fabulin 3,469]

Just now, Incanus said:

Williams is such a master at fusing the Golden Age Hollywood sound with his own and making it so thoroughly and effortlessly his own. 

The Golden Age Hollywood is his own childhood, after all

[michael_grig 453]

Also sounds a lot like a tribute to Victor Young's Love themes.

 

 

This piece is basically a mix of TROS friendship theme, Marion's theme, Debussy-like impressionism and Hollywood classical style! Amazing!

[KingPin 199]

1 hour ago, Miguel Andrade said:

 

Yes, that's the only one I can think of.

 

The only other occasion that comes to mind was Michael Gore's music to "Defending your Life" that was re-recorded by John Mauceri and the Hollywood Bowl ahead of the soundtrack release.

I was at the 1996 Tanglewood concert where he performed “Hell’s Kitchen” from Sleepers with the Boston Pops two months ahead of the film’s release.