Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Steve, Chen G., Smaug The Iron and 37 others 4 12 21 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 WHAT!!?!? Wow!!! It's absolutely gorgeous, a classic Hollywood theme from the Golden age of film scoring. It sounds like Williams has been quite inspired by whatever he's seen in this film. This also leans into the film noir flavour of Irina's theme from KOCS, though sweeter and less femme fatale. Tydirium, artguy360, BB-8 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 OOoh! What is this Golden Age goodness! P.S. There is second part of the recording on the same Twitter account. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,473 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Vienna - Korngold - Hollywood Pure gold! artguy360, tmarps, apples and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 rpvee, Incanus, apples and 7 others 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Know 326 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 And I was there! What a thrill. And Johnny said he would like to come back at 100. Dr. Rick, apples, artguy360 and 13 others 7 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share Posted September 3, 2022 Oh he better play this Sunday night! BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 His speech is included here! Remco, artguy360, Will and 9 others 2 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonathanAsh 80 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Gorgeous! I love how there’s that subtle nod to Marion’s Theme near the end, where the violins end on the vi chord, the celli soar up with that arpeggio and then the violins try again to land back home, just like at the end of Marion’s Theme. Docteur Qui, Taikomochi, rpvee and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, crumbs said: His speech is included here! 3:56 I wonder what that Marion's Theme quote is about!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 minute ago, JonathanAsh said: Gorgeous! I love how there’s that subtle nod to Marion’s Theme near the end, where the violins end on the vi chord, the celli soar up with that arpeggio and then the violins try again to land back home, just like at the end of Marion’s Theme. Is this a possible hint at her relationship to Indy? Any other interesting musical connections to existing themes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted September 3, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out... Will, Remco, TSMefford and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, JonathanAsh said: Gorgeous! I love how there’s that subtle nod to Marion’s Theme near the end, where the violins end on the vi chord, the celli soar up with that arpeggio and then the violins try again to land back home, just like at the end of Marion’s Theme. You beat me to it! JonathanAsh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Remco said: 3:56 I wonder what that Marion's Theme quote is about!! Marion shows back up. They find themselves in yet another sinkhole... "She's your daughter." Brónach, artguy360, Andy and 8 others 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Oh, WOW !!! Im already in love ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 The ‚Marions theme‘ signature sound is definitely all over this piece, not just in the end. It’s a beautiful theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EhTar 63 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Fantastic piece ! I really love the film noir aspect of it. So gorgeous too ! Thank you for such a sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,959 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 This is gorgeous. Of course, I did not expect anything else with Williams. But like many have said it's like it comes out of a film from the Golden Age. Can't wait to hear it in context Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Wow! I'm overwhelmed by it. It is both golden age theme and also signature JW. The flute ending is classic. It's gonna take me a few more listens to nail down the main melody, but the music sounds lovely immediately. The Marion theme quite is so interesting with story Implications. Thank you for sharing. What a gift! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaaackified 81 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 so we currently have no idea who plays Helena and who Helena is in the story, and Mangold still is willing to let JW debut a this new character theme with some apparent nod to another iconic theme in the same franchise. Isn't lucasfilm/disney notorious for shutting down any potential possibility of spoiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jaaaackified said: Mangold still is willing to let JW debut a this new character theme with some apparent nod to another iconic theme in the same franchise. Well everyone heard allusions to the Emperor's Theme in Rey's Theme after hearing TFA and look how that-- ... Nevermind. MaxTheHouseelf, artguy360, Mattris and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 53 minutes ago, Jay said: I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out... When was the last time, that a film score even got composed one year before the movie came out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: When was the last time, that a film score even got composed one year before the movie came out? Jurassic world dominion? giacchino also debuted batman theme years before the films release… :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Beautiful!!! I love the little phrases lifted from Marion’s Theme. I’m a little bit worried we’ll never get a piece like this again from John when he retires from film scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Could the marion quote be for the end credits bridge from helenas theme to raiders march? very nice theme. Maybe she is the main archeological antagonist. I dont think there would be a family relation to marion… Why would marion keep her a secret? Maybe to hide the twins from the emperor…? 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Surely they wouldn't recycle the lost child route after KOCS. Bit awkward if Marion had yet another secret child and didn't mention it to Indy after marrying him artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Damn that's such a beautiful piece. So glad that Mangold asked Williams to play it, I wish I would be there to hear it live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, crumbs said: Surely they wouldn't recycle the lost child route after KOCS. Bit awkward if Marion had yet another secret child and didn't mention it to Indy after marrying him Maybe she is mutts daughter voyaging from the future to save her grandfather crumbs, artguy360, Brando and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Is Helena a common name from that era anyway? Sounds much more older fashioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Could be antonio banderas daughter. Both could be greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,102 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 What a neat idea! I had hoped that this would have happend. I think it’s the first time Williams has allowed a film piece to premiere in advance since he did Hedwigs Theme from the first Harry Potter film (pls do correct me if it happend again after that film) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,310 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Mangold speaks! Remco, Brando, WampaRat and 14 others 6 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out... I don’t have memory of anything by JW being premiered in concert with such advance. The closest thing is when he performed an earlier version of “Hedwig’s Theme” at Tanglewood in July 2001. Incanus, Will, Dr. Know and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Listening to JW's salute to film composers right after this brings out all the golden age inspiration in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I'm trying to think of the last time we got a film score debut like this a year before the film came out... 5 minutes ago, TownerFan said: I don’t have memory of anything by JW being premiered in concert with such advance. The closest thing is when he performed an earlier version of “Hedwig’s Theme” at Tanglewood in July 2001. This is rare not just for Williams but for any composer. A piece from a film score premiered live in a large concert way before the film's premiere? This just does not happen! Note: There was also the Kenobi piece performed at the Star Wars celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, TownerFan said: I don’t have memory of anything by JW being premiered in concert with such advance. The closest thing is when he performed an earlier version of “Hedwig’s Theme” at Tanglewood in July 2001. Yes, that's the only one I can think of. The only other occasion that comes to mind was Michael Gore's music to "Defending your Life" that was re-recorded by John Mauceri and the Hollywood Bowl ahead of the soundtrack release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 And even that technically wasn’t a full disclosure as the theme already debuted in the teaser trailer earlier the same year. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,343 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Wow! So much better than that Obi theme! JonathanAsh, Not Mr. Big, Courtney Sees Ghosts and 4 others 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Just realizing that LucasFilms seems to be getting extra-care of its music since the past year: first Haab's soundtrack, then Solo's Expansion, then the Rogue One's one, then the premiere of Obi-Wan, then Griskey's soundtrack, then Willow and now this. The expansions of SW and Indiana Jones could really be happening in not so long artguy360, enderdrag64, Mattris and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaaackified 81 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 19 minutes ago, Fabulin said: This is rare not just for Williams but for any composer. A piece from a film score premiered live in a large concert way before the film's premiere? This just does not happen! Note: There was also the Kenobi piece performed at the Star Wars celebration. IIRC Brian Tyler debuted his Now You See Me fanfare ahead of the release of NYSM2 in his film music concert in London, but that may be only a few weeks ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,511 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Cameron007, Taikomochi, Brando and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Listening to this makes me curious about the tone and style of the movie. I'm glad it's such a full theme, full of exploration of the main melody. I found Obi Wan to be too slight. This is a well rounded JW theme. bollemanneke, Andy, Docteur Qui and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post michael_grig 472 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 I love this piece, it has that bittersweet classic Hollywood character. The use of the Lydian mode at the beginning and end is very similar to the friendship theme from TROS. (0:35 and 1:16) It also has some great impressionistic traits like this progression: Fabulin, Andy and apples 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 This is really nice. I really like it. James Mangold is quite a classy and cultured guy. I hope he treats Williams' music with respect it deserves. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Wow, that was gorgeous. One of the most beautiful things I've heard from Williams in years. I loved every minute of it, and the hint's of Marion's theme...chills. And it definitely gives off the old-time Hollywood vibe, especially early going. All that's missing is the popping sound from the film reel. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,511 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Michael Grigorowitsch said: The use of the Lydian mode at the beginning and end is very similar to the friendship theme from TROS. (0:35 and 1:16) Yes! The friendship theme immediately sprang to mind after I heard Helena's. It gives the score a sense of progression from TROS. I've really liked the style of TROS so here's hope more similarities are underway Tydirium, Andy and MikeH 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,714 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Williams is such a master at fusing the Golden Age Hollywood sound with his own and making it so thoroughly and effortlessly his own. He is indeed the successor of those early film music giants and as Mangold says it that above tweet, bringing this particular pure symphony orchestra sound to modern audiences. Such a gorgeous theme. Tydirium, Andy and Docteur Qui 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Just now, Incanus said: Williams is such a master at fusing the Golden Age Hollywood sound with his own and making it so thoroughly and effortlessly his own. The Golden Age Hollywood is his own childhood, after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Also sounds a lot like a tribute to Victor Young's Love themes. This piece is basically a mix of TROS friendship theme, Marion's theme, Debussy-like impressionism and Hollywood classical style! Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KingPin 201 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Miguel Andrade said: Yes, that's the only one I can think of. The only other occasion that comes to mind was Michael Gore's music to "Defending your Life" that was re-recorded by John Mauceri and the Hollywood Bowl ahead of the soundtrack release. I was at the 1996 Tanglewood concert where he performed “Hell’s Kitchen” from Sleepers with the Boston Pops two months ahead of the film’s release. Dr. Know, TownerFan, Amer and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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